I Believe in Time Lord...Why Can't You?

radsoxfan

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I like how TL has started this season and I'm more than content with some combination of him, Theis, and TT in the center rotation.

Just don't play any of them at the same time unless you absolutely have to.
 

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I like how TL has started this season and I'm more than content with some combination of him, Theis, and TT in the center rotation.

Just don't play any of them at the same time unless you absolutely have to.
I've watched bits and pieces of the first four games, but have seen very little of RW. How has his usage been relative to DT and TT? Is he always the solo big or has he been paired up with either at all?
 

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He's played a decent amount with GW, so it's sort of been like CBS has been primarily playing with two 2-BIG combos - Theis/Thompson and Williams squared. That hasn't been the case when TT was out, of course.
 

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It's early, but thought I'd kick off TL speculation, since he looks so improved this year.

Would you rather:
1. keep him through the next 2 years and take your chances in RFA, walking away past a certain number
2. try to extend him after this season (would likely be at $12M-17M per, based on other promising center RFA extensions). Could be extended with a view to trading later.
3. try to trade him this year as an asset, since he's the most valuable non-pick trade chip that the Celtics have right now, and I imagine there are a few teams who could dream on him.
 

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2. try to extend him after this season (would likely be at $12M-17M per, based on other promising center RFA extensions). Could be extended with a view to trading later.
This is the route I would choose, but hopefully settling closer to 4/$40M extension, rather than 4/$50M+. This team could use some contracts in this range for salary matching if things don't pan out, but I am extremely pleased with his improvement.
 

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This is the route I would choose, but hopefully settling closer to 4/$40M extension, rather than 4/$50M+. This team could use some contracts in this range for salary matching if things don't pan out, but I am extremely pleased with his improvement.
Yeah, the hypothetical was intended to remove the 4/40 option. It’s a possibility right now, but if he plays well for 2-3 more months it’s likely off the table, so I wanted to force harder choices.
 

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Yeah, the hypothetical was intended to remove the 4/40 option. It’s a possibility right now, but if he plays well for 2-3 more months it’s likely off the table, so I wanted to force harder choices.
Yeah, I can see what you mean. A 4/$40 is a no-brainer, but it becomes a bit more of a tough call at 4/$60. I think I'd probably still pull the trigger considering he would not be nearly the worst value out there if he can be 110% of what he's shown thus far at season's end, and an extremely tradable salary with that value.

Edit: provided that we stay under the tax apron this year, that is. 4/$60M becomes a LOT less palatable if not, and would really depend on how likely it is that he improves from this 7 game baseline.
 

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I do see him as a sell high candidate given his injury history and how much of his value on both ends of the floor is based on his athleticism. But as always other teams see the same things as well, and Theis and Thompson probably won't be viable in two years.
 

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Yeah, the hypothetical was intended to remove the 4/40 option. It’s a possibility right now, but if he plays well for 2-3 more months it’s likely off the table, so I wanted to force harder choices.

I never have a very good sense of this stuff, but 15 mil/year seems ambitious, even if he keeps pace with his solid play so far, no? Just looking at the recent-ish contracts for bigs, and the position really has been devalued. The guys who got paid are typically floor-spacers or otherwise offensively in a another category than TL. His age certainly helps distinguish himself from other, currently superior, defense stalwarts like Theis, and all it takes is one GM for him to get the bag, but these are some of the deals I'm looking at:

The much-discussed Myles Turner 4/80
Jeremi Grant 3/60
Christian Wood 3/41 (ok, probably outlier good deal here)
Trez Harrell 2/19
Larry Nance 4/45
Jakob Poetl 3/26
Zubac 3/21
Thomas Bryant 3/25
Anunoby 4/72

Every situation and player is different, and in the NBA, upside is king, but I think he'd really have to show some consistency to merit much more than 12/per based on how fungible the position has gotten. This past draft was fairly deep at center, so I'm not sure how the market for young bigs to dream on will be. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Jarrett Allen and Zach Collins, and even guys like Mo Bamba, Richuan Holmes, Kevon Looney, Marquese Chriss (injury nothwithstanding), Tony Bradley, Khem Birch.

It'd be a nice problem to have for sure though.
 

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TL does keep on getting better, which is encouraging but I'd go to RFA.

TL is tricky since even in small minutes he's never been able to stay healthy. He mostly plays against 2nd units. Does that mean he should start (2nd halves to appease TT/DT?) and play more minutes to see if he can withstand the wear and tear? probably

I'm still in the camp of having several reasonable 5s share the position based on matchups.

Marcus Smart is my biggest interest in re-signing
 

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I go to RFA as well. Don't think #3 is a viable option since I can't imagine the return would be worth giving up on his upside. I would like to see him get more minutes because he is an absolute game changer for this team if the light bulb stays on vs. its current flickering.
 

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I go to RFA as well. Don't think #3 is a viable option since I can't imagine the return would be worth giving up on his upside. I would like to see him get more minutes because he is an absolute game changer for this team if the light bulb stays on vs. its current flickering.
I understand that playing time must be earned, but at some point I'd love to see how Time Lord would fare playing, say, 32 minutes in a game. Maybe he'd foul out in half that time. Maybe he'd get hurt. Or maybe he'd put up 12 and 12, with two assists and four blocks.
 

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I understand that playing time must be earned, but at some point I'd love to see how Time Lord would fare playing, say, 32 minutes in a game. Maybe he'd foul out in half that time. Maybe he'd get hurt. Or maybe he'd put up 12 and 12, with two assists and four blocks.
Agreed. The guy has never played 20+ minutes in consecutive games in his entire career. He's obviously raw but he has a ton of potential and it'd be nice to give him consistent reps.
 

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I do see him as a sell high candidate given his injury history
My initial thoughts, too, but you have to roll the dice on some guys and I’d rather it be TL than any veteran the Celtics would be able to score with that salary (basically older guys like Thompson). The compromise between these positions is the RFA route, I suppose.
 

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I understand that playing time must be earned, but at some point I'd love to see how Time Lord would fare playing, say, 32 minutes in a game. Maybe he'd foul out in half that time. Maybe he'd get hurt. Or maybe he'd put up 12 and 12, with two assists and four blocks.
He has played great. But he playing against the other team's bench, and not against guys that are picking and popping. Be careful assuming a guy giving good bench minutes is suddenly a starter. They are picking best case to use him. Also he doesn't seem to have great stamina. Last year he really lacked confidence on D, and was lost a lot. They are downing most screens with him out there, and he is just staying home. This is not a viable all game strategy. Right now he doing well against the low post, when last year he was getting shoved under the hoop.
 

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He has played great. But he playing against the other team's bench, and not against guys that are picking and popping. Be careful assuming a guy giving good bench minutes is suddenly a starter. They are picking best case to use him. Also he doesn't seem to have great stamina. Last year he really lacked confidence on D, and was lost a lot. They are downing most screens with him out there, and he is just staying home. This is not a viable all game strategy. Right now he doing well against the low post, when last year he was getting shoved under the hoop.
Is downing a screen also known as drop coverage? Would love to hear this explained more.
 

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OMG.
Then who do you play? Semi, or Grant? That's the choice.
Did the rest of the team fall overboard?

Obviously it depends on matchups but I would be more than happy with PP or Teague, Smart, Jaylen, Tatum, and one of the centers as the starters and/or crunch time lineup. Kemba replaces PP/Teague when he is able. Semi hit some 3s so he seemed like a reasonable choice in the last game.

Generally speaking rotations are probably overblown but having 2 of TT, Theis, and TL out there has not been working and doesn't make much sense against most lineups.
 

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OMG.
Then who do you play? Semi, or Grant? That's the choice.
Yes? They're both totally fine, and are actual big wings who know how to play on the perimeter on both ends.

I get that we're never allowed to say that young Celtics players are ok at basketball, but Semi has been solid all year, and Grant has looked quite good after his bizarre start to the season.
 

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Here's my small contribution: Guess who's leading the team in deflections/36?

Timelord, with 4.4 a game. About .5 ahead of Marcus Smart, who among players getting starter's minutes is leading the team.

He was third on the team last year as well (notably behind Javonte Green and Tremont Waters), all in obviously limited minutes. Obviously deflections are not the be-all, end-all of defense, but they're a nice measure of defensive activity and ability to turn the other team over and create transition points.
 

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I had forgotten TL is 6'8 until Hubie mentioned it last night. In my mind he is a 7 footer.
When Tatum and Time Lord were standing next to each other during a recent game, Williams looked taller to me. Maybe my eyes deceived me, but isn't Tatum supposed to be 6-10 these days?
 
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That was a quote from last summer from Brad, I believe - and not sure he was even being serious. There's also the question of socks vs. shoes.
 

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I expect three years ago TL is listed at 6'10 or more. We had the the great reckoning where they measured guys. I wonder if they will keep doing that. I remember Bill Russell when he was an announcer doing a feature on McHale and going to a practice in gym clothes. They measured reach, handsize, etc and Bill was longer, but surprised KM was almost as long as him. During the broadcast Bill was asked why McHale was listed at 6'10 or 6'11 if he was the same size as 6'9 Bill. "(Insert Bill cackle) at some point coaches decided forwards were supposed to be 6'10 or bigger, so that's what they write down."
 

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I expect three years ago TL is listed at 6'10 or more. We had the the great reckoning where they measured guys. I wonder if they will keep doing that. I remember Bill Russell when he was an announcer doing a feature on McHale and going to a practice in gym clothes. They measured reach, handsize, etc and Bill was longer, but surprised KM was almost as long as him. During the broadcast Bill was asked why McHale was listed at 6'10 or 6'11 if he was the same size as 6'9 Bill. "(Insert Bill cackle) at some point coaches decided forwards were supposed to be 6'10 or bigger, so that's what they write down."
It's like Magic Johnson. He's as tall as Howard Stern who is like 6'5. Not 6'9. Barkley was maybe 6'4. Hakeem was closer to 6'10.
 

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It's like Magic Johnson. He's as tall as Howard Stern who is like 6'5. Not 6'9. Barkley was maybe 6'4. Hakeem was closer to 6'10.
Haven't seen Hakeem (old joke was he added an H, subtracted 2 inches) I would say you are split. I am 6'4 and would say I was mayb a bit taller than the 6'6 Sir Charles, though his butt had its own gravitational field. But, Magic is a big dude, 6'7 at least, my guess was 6'8. Guys I know say Bird is legit 6'9.
 

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I expect three years ago TL is listed at 6'10 or more. We had the the great reckoning where they measured guys. I wonder if they will keep doing that. I remember Bill Russell when he was an announcer doing a feature on McHale and going to a practice in gym clothes. They measured reach, handsize, etc and Bill was longer, but surprised KM was almost as long as him. During the broadcast Bill was asked why McHale was listed at 6'10 or 6'11 if he was the same size as 6'9 Bill. "(Insert Bill cackle) at some point coaches decided forwards were supposed to be 6'10 or bigger, so that's what they write down."
Interesting. I’d always thought McHale was the go-to example for “guys who are really 7’ but don’t want to be called centers”.
 

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Tim Duncan was also listed at 6'11 even though I'm pretty sure he's a legit 7'0 in shoes.
 

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Timelord’s standing reach is ludicrous given his height (9-4 iirc). You can see it when he tries to shoot FTs: lots of moving parts because the things are so damn long.

You also see it on the aforementioned deflections. Guys just aren’t used to that kind of wingspan laterally in the lane.
 

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I'm a vote for RFA.

Love TL and what he brings. His bounce is something that TT and DT don't have. He has come a long way in understanding and working within a fast game flow. He contributes something positive every time that he's out there.

But...I still don't trust him. I completely trust TT and DT to do the things that pros must do to stay healthy and coachable. Even Grant, who was WAY off to start the year, seems like a work ethic guy. Thompson is a perfect example of a guy whose performance can practically be written into the book before tipoff. That's valuable. TL had a great bubble and first half dozen games, but the pessimist in me needs to see more of a CV before locking him up for real money.
 

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My heart bought in to TL when I was the Pelicans game and he got thrown into the fire and stuffed Anthony Davis.

My head has bought in many times over the last two seasons, but this season, I see a much more mature game from TL. The game has slowed down for him.

As long as he can stay healthy and engaged, Williams is going to get more minutes and more of a role on this team.

He provides the top of the league “vertical spacing” in the lob areas around the basket that is missing, (although Theis is ok at it). TL can hit double figures just on a half dozen/putbacks and dump off passes.

He’s very good on pick roll coverage, and can D up on a possession against 1-5. He’s great at deflections, as mentioned above. He’s a very good defensive rebounder.

Let’s just see if he can go a couple dozen games without landing wrong and getting hurt again. The more measures movements as a more savvy player should help in that regard
 

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Bill Walton was listed at 6' 11" but was clearly taller than 7 foot Robert Parish. Rumor was he Bill didn't want to be known as a 7 foot freak
 

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Timelord’s standing reach is ludicrous given his height (9-4 iirc). You can see it when he tries to shoot FTs: lots of moving parts because the things are so damn long.

You also see it on the aforementioned deflections. Guys just aren’t used to that kind of wingspan laterally in the lane.
I watched this evolution of sports Ted Talk.
View: https://www.ted.com/talks/david_epstein_are_athletes_really_getting_faster_better_stronger?language=en


It mentions the absurd change in athlete selection, with arm length in nba players changing drastically over time. As a 6'4 guy with an 8'4 reach, 6'7 wingspan I was a pretty long armed guy, especially dare I say for a white fella in college, and the low level pro I played in the 80s. I coached in the CEBL Canadian summer pro league. I had a longer reach than the 3 backup point guards (2 of which were under 6') we had on the roster at various times, the same reach as the 6-2 starter at point, and shorter arms than everyone else. The only guy with a reach not 3 inches or more longer than their height was legit 6'11 kid, who has "lack of length" indelibly printed on his scouting report.
 

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Timelord’s standing reach is ludicrous given his height (9-4 iirc). You can see it when he tries to shoot FTs: lots of moving parts because the things are so damn long.
He TOTALLY Shoots FTs like Parish. All Arms and Elbows.
 

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I'm probably too much of a Time Lord stan, but I'm a sucker for uber-athletic centers. I get so pumped watching him play with activity and I can't remember the last time the Celtics had an athletic advantage at the five.

The one thing I try to keep in mind with him is that center is the hardest position to transition to in the NBA because of its defensive responsibilities Outside of generational talents like AD, guys take a while to get comfortable enough to play significant minutes. One thing working against Time Lord is that he's been injured and hasn't been on the floor enough to develop. That sucks and it makes it hard to evaluate him. But just to set perspective, here's him compared to three players picked around the same draft slot as him (these are Per 36):

DeAndre Jordan
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09
20​
53​
13​
14.5​
4.3​
6.9​
0.6​
0​
4.3​
6.9​
0.633​
2​
5.1​
0.39​
3.4​
7.7​
11.1​
0.5​
0.5​
2.8​
1.9​
4.5​
10.6​
2009-10
21​
70​
12​
16.2​
4.6​
7.5​
0.6​
0​
4.6​
7.5​
0.61​
1.5​
4.1​
0.38​
3.9​
7.3​
11.1​
0.7​
0.5​
2​
2.4​
4.8​
10.6​
2010-11
22​
80​
66​
25.6​
4.1​
6​
0.7​
0​
4.1​
6​
0.688​
1.7​
3.8​
0.45​
3.6​
6.5​
10.1​
0.7​
0.7​
2.5​
1.8​
4​
10​
Rudy Gobert
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2013-14
21​
45​
0​
9.6​
3​
6.1​
0.5​
0​
3​
6.1​
0.486​
2.7​
5.4​
0.49​
4.2​
8.6​
12.9​
0.6​
0.7​
3.4​
2.7​
4.7​
8.6​
2014-15
22​
82​
37​
26.3​
4.3​
7.1​
0.6​
0​
4.3​
7.1​
0.607​
2.8​
4.6​
0.62​
4.4​
8.5​
12.9​
1.8​
1.1​
3.2​
1.9​
2.9​
11.4​
2015-16
23​
61​
60​
31.7​
3.7​
6.6​
0.6​
0​
3.7​
6.6​
0.559​
3​
5.3​
0.57​
3.9​
8.6​
12.4​
1.7​
0.8​
2.5​
2.1​
3​
10.4​
Clint Capela
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15
20​
12​
0​
7.5​
5.6​
11.6​
0.5​
0​
5.6​
11.6​
0.483​
1.6​
9.2​
0.17​
4​
10.4​
14.4​
0.8​
0.4​
3.6​
2​
5.6​
12.8​
2015-16
21​
77​
35​
19.1​
5.7​
9.7​
0.6​
0​
5.7​
9.7​
0.583​
2​
5.2​
0.38​
4.7​
7.3​
12.1​
1.2​
1.4​
2.3​
1.5​
4.6​
13.3​
2016-17
22​
65​
59​
23.9​
8.4​
13.1​
0.6​
0​
8.4​
13.1​
0.643​
2.2​
4.1​
0.53​
4.1​
8.1​
12.2​
1.5​
0.8​
1.8​
2​
4.2​
19​
Robert Williams
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2018-19
21​
32​
2​
8.8​
4.6​
6.5​
0.7​
0​
4.6​
6.5​
0.706​
1.1​
1.9​
0.6​
3.4​
6.9​
10.3​
0.9​
1.1​
5.1​
1.3​
4.6​
10.3​
2019-20
22​
29​
1​
13.4​
5.9​
8.2​
0.7​
0​
5.9​
8.2​
0.727​
2​
3.2​
0.65​
3.7​
8.2​
11.9​
2.5​
2​
3.2​
1.9​
4.7​
13.9​
2020-21
23​
8​
0​
16.4​
6.6​
8.5​
0.8​
0​
6.6​
8.2​
0.8​
1.6​
1.9​
0.86​
5.5​
8.8​
14.3​
1.4​
2.5​
3.3​
3​
2.7​
14.8​


Obviously, the main caveat is those minutes played. RW is well behind them and by a significant margin when totaled. Also, these guys don't all have the same games, so it's not apples to apples. That said, for each one of these guys, it took a couple of seasons to get consistent roles (none of them starting consistently until season three) and on a per 36 basis, Time Lord compares favorably when he's able to get on the floor. Furthermore, he's doing so on a playoff/near championship-level team. If he was on the Knicks or Hawks the last couple years (and healthy), I think it's safe to say he'd have the kinds of counting stats people salivate over.

I'd prefer to extend him next offseason than let him hit RFA. Because of the center market, I don't think he'll get above the MLE, but this is an asset you hold onto because of the type of player he can become. I'd rather have him than Theis on DT's next contract and I'd certainly prefer him to the Tristan Thompson's of the world.

EDIT: Forgot to indicate that I pulled per 36 data from BRef.
 
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I'm probably too much of a Time Lord stan, but I'm a sucker for uber-athletic centers. I get so pumped watching him play with activity and I can't remember the last time the Celtics had an athletic advantage at the five.

The one thing I try to keep in mind with him is that center is the hardest position to transition to in the NBA because of its defensive responsibilities Outside of generational talents like AD, guys take a while to get comfortable enough to play significant minutes. One thing working against Time Lord is that he's been injured and hasn't been on the floor enough to develop. That sucks and it makes it hard to evaluate him. But just to set perspective, here's him compared to three players picked around the same draft slot as him:

DeAndre Jordan
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09
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53​
13​
14.5​
4.3​
6.9​
0.6​
0​
4.3​
6.9​
0.633​
2​
5.1​
0.39​
3.4​
7.7​
11.1​
0.5​
0.5​
2.8​
1.9​
4.5​
10.6​
2009-10
21​
70​
12​
16.2​
4.6​
7.5​
0.6​
0​
4.6​
7.5​
0.61​
1.5​
4.1​
0.38​
3.9​
7.3​
11.1​
0.7​
0.5​
2​
2.4​
4.8​
10.6​
2010-11
22​
80​
66​
25.6​
4.1​
6​
0.7​
0​
4.1​
6​
0.688​
1.7​
3.8​
0.45​
3.6​
6.5​
10.1​
0.7​
0.7​
2.5​
1.8​
4​
10​
Rudy Gobert
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2013-14
21​
45​
0​
9.6​
3​
6.1​
0.5​
0​
3​
6.1​
0.486​
2.7​
5.4​
0.49​
4.2​
8.6​
12.9​
0.6​
0.7​
3.4​
2.7​
4.7​
8.6​
2014-15
22​
82​
37​
26.3​
4.3​
7.1​
0.6​
0​
4.3​
7.1​
0.607​
2.8​
4.6​
0.62​
4.4​
8.5​
12.9​
1.8​
1.1​
3.2​
1.9​
2.9​
11.4​
2015-16
23​
61​
60​
31.7​
3.7​
6.6​
0.6​
0​
3.7​
6.6​
0.559​
3​
5.3​
0.57​
3.9​
8.6​
12.4​
1.7​
0.8​
2.5​
2.1​
3​
10.4​
Clint Capela
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15
20​
12​
0​
7.5​
5.6​
11.6​
0.5​
0​
5.6​
11.6​
0.483​
1.6​
9.2​
0.17​
4​
10.4​
14.4​
0.8​
0.4​
3.6​
2​
5.6​
12.8​
2015-16
21​
77​
35​
19.1​
5.7​
9.7​
0.6​
0​
5.7​
9.7​
0.583​
2​
5.2​
0.38​
4.7​
7.3​
12.1​
1.2​
1.4​
2.3​
1.5​
4.6​
13.3​
2016-17
22​
65​
59​
23.9​
8.4​
13.1​
0.6​
0​
8.4​
13.1​
0.643​
2.2​
4.1​
0.53​
4.1​
8.1​
12.2​
1.5​
0.8​
1.8​
2​
4.2​
19​
Robert Williams
Season Age G GS MPG FG FGA FG% 3P 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2018-19
21​
32​
2​
8.8​
4.6​
6.5​
0.7​
0​
4.6​
6.5​
0.706​
1.1​
1.9​
0.6​
3.4​
6.9​
10.3​
0.9​
1.1​
5.1​
1.3​
4.6​
10.3​
2019-20
22​
29​
1​
13.4​
5.9​
8.2​
0.7​
0​
5.9​
8.2​
0.727​
2​
3.2​
0.65​
3.7​
8.2​
11.9​
2.5​
2​
3.2​
1.9​
4.7​
13.9​
2020-21
23​
8​
0​
16.4​
6.6​
8.5​
0.8​
0​
6.6​
8.2​
0.8​
1.6​
1.9​
0.86​
5.5​
8.8​
14.3​
1.4​
2.5​
3.3​
3​
2.7​
14.8​


Obviously, the main caveat is those minutes played. RW is well behind them and by a significant margin when totaled. Also, these guys don't all have the same games, so it's not apples to apples. That said, for each one of these guys, it took a couple of seasons to get consistent roles (none of them starting consistently until season three) and on a per 36 basis, Time Lord compares favorably when he's able to get on the floor. Furthermore, he's doing so on a playoff/near championship-level team. If he was on the Knicks or Hawks the last couple years (and healthy), I think it's safe to say he'd have the kinds of counting stats people salivate over.

I'd prefer to extend him next offseason than let him hit RFA. Because of the center market, I don't think he'll get above the MLE, but this is an asset you hold onto because of the type of player he can become. I'd rather have him than Theis on DT's next contract and I'd certainly prefer him to the Tristan Thompson's of the world.
And to be fair, TL’s minutes would be a decent amount higher this year if the team weren’t so deep at that position.
 

TripleOT

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Not to place blame, but every time TL starts to put it together, he gets injured and now, covid-ed.
 

NomarsFool

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RW coming down with COVID both as he is playing well and as there is a significant opportunity for playing time is basically classic RW