Hunter Renfroe traded to Brewers for JBJ and 2 prospects

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Yes, this trade just cannot be evaluated as a standalone. If we've done nothing else by the time the season starts (whenever that may be) then yeah it could be a stinker. But if this results in moving Verdugo over and re-signing Schwarber it could be great. And/or if it results in signing Seiya Suzuki, it could be great.
Yeah, maybe Bloom has a good idea of what it'll cost to sign Suzuki. He may also feel that he needs to give Duran 400 ABs before trading him. If Duran is an offense-only player, he's still valuable. There was talk that Duran benefited from a wind tunnel at Worcester which was why he had such extreme home/away splits. We need to figure out whether he can be a major-league player, we really need to graduate more pre-arb players.
 

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Except Renfroe posted a 2.3 WAR last year while Jackie fell off a cliff and produced an MLB worst among regulars of -.07. And the money is relevant because of the luxury tax and the need to replace Renfroe's offensive production.
1 year of the luxury tax only matters if you care about John Henry's bank account. The way the Sox are accumulating short term salary it certainly doesn't look like they care about going over it, so it's not really relevant.

And yeah they need to replace Renfroe, but finding an expected 2 win player who can play a corner outfield spot likely won't be too difficult. It's also pretty likely JBJ isn't as bad next year as he was last year, so the gap in true talent isn't as bad as their 2021 WARs would indicate.
 

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For years we kept hoping JBJ’s bat would improve and it never really has. He’s not a good hitter, and the sample size is plenty big enough to say that with a great deal of confidence. Now he might hit better than last year and he might have some hot streaks but overall he’s a bad hitter. We know this.

But I love the deal anyway. Let’s say they now sign Schwarber. He’s a major bat upgrade over Renfroe and now he can play LF, which allows Verdugo to play right. JBJ subs in and is also the defensive replacement extraordinaire.

Aside from that, they pick up some exciting prospects to add to their stockpile in the minors. This is excellent.

So overall this is a very shrewd deal by Bloom. Presuming they do in fact add a bat for the OF. And even if they don’t, playing Verdugo in left and JBJ in right (better arm than Kiké) isn’t the worst thing, though it downgrades the offense considerably. But in this case picking up the prospects still probably makes it worth it anyway.
 

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Love the deal. Bloom is very good at looking at the team strategically, and continuing to shore up the system down the road.

I expect JBJ to start in center and Kike will play 2B. I also hope they give Duran the opportunity to win the RF job. The sox needed to improve defensively and get faster. JBJ and Duran will do just that.

And yes, I do know all about the offense suffering as a result of JBJ and Duran, but we have to plan for what we have and not what we hope, wish, want to have.
 

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Hoping JBJ is the 5th outfielder whose primary purpose is to come in late in games we are winning & never has to actually bat on a regular basis.

Good trade regardless, though. Gives Bloom a lot more flexibility in terms of building out the roster.

Sort of goes to show Bloom's brilliance in letting JBJ walk & signing Renfroe last season. Got a much better season much cheaper & then flipped Renfroe's arb years where he is unlikely to provide significant surplus value for depth & interesting prospects.
 

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I’m not sure trading a 2 win player for a -1 win player and taking on a lot of salary is the slam dunk many here seem to think it is…hope the prospects are good and curious to see what the next shoe to drop is, although guess we may have to wait a while to find out. Have to hope JBJ’s season was just an outlier, which it certainly may be, and that he can be rejuvenated going back to Fenway.

Hernandez at 2b and Arroyo in the utility role seems like a positive development.
 

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JBJ can also play RF, where we've never seen Kiké play.
Of course, there's risk that he's absolutely done as a hitter, but there's risk that Renfroe was never going to repeat last year's regular season hitting as well.
 

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I’m not sure trading a 2 win player for a -1 win player and taking on a lot of salary is the slam dunk many here seem to think it is…hope the prospects are good and curious to see what the next shoe to drop is, although guess we may have to wait a while to find out. Have to hope JBJ’s season was just an outlier, which it certainly may be, and that he can be rejuvenated going back to Fenway.

Hernandez at 2b and Arroyo in the utility role seems like a positive development.
Getting the two promising prospects is the most important part of the trade. As for the player swap, Bloom gets rid of a player who most likely would not have matched the production of 2021 in 2022 for a player that greatly improves a flaw of the team which is defense. It also opens up a corner OF spot to acquire a bat like Schwarber or Suzuki. As a big market team, it’s a trade you can pull off without worrying about the money.
 

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Bit surprised how many people think this is a slam dunk.

JBJ is an excellent defensive outfielder, but his bat is still a black hole in the lineup, and might be worse than when he left here. Renfroe’s bat was a revelation here, he had a bad series in the ALCS, but played passable defense in right and lead the league in OF assists.

It’s probably the definition of selling high on Renfroe, which is fine, but the return doesn’t seem like anything worth getting excited over.
 

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Disappointed to see Renfroe go, and as much as I loved JBJ in CF I really don’t want to see him getting regular at bats
 

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Knowing nothing about these prospects, I'm having a hard time squaring the excitement voiced in this thread about Hamilton and Binelas with the report that they are the 16th and 17th best prospects in a pretty bad minor league system. Hunter Renfroe is hardly irreplaceable, but anybody want to spell this out for me?
 
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Getting the two promising prospects is the most important part of the trade. As for the player swap, Bloom gets rid of a player who most likely would not have matched the production of 2021 in 2022 for a player that greatly improves a flaw of the team which is defense. It also opens up a corner OF spot to acquire a bat like Schwarber or Suzuki. As a big market team, it’s a trade you can pull off without worrying about the money.
Agree that the deal is all about the prospects and the future. I am not sure that OF defense was a huge problem with this team, Hernandez is an excellent defensive CF. I agree that it opens up a corner OF spot- but that’s kind of a natural side effect of trading your starting RF :)

I’m guessing the plan is to sign Schwarber or someone similar to play LF. Imagine they would then need to add a RH OF for the bench; having Duran as a backup doesn’t make any sense with JBJ and Verdugo starting.
 
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It's errors, I know, but Renfroe had 12 last year. JBJ has had 20 his whole career. And aside from that, watching him play, I think we all know that he was maybe maybe slightly above average in RF. He did not get to a lot of balls. While he was not at vaz or verdugos level, he was also part of the steak head base running brigade. I'm not that worried about losing him. We'll see about the rest.
 
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Terrific sell high on Renfroe. Bloom is building a stacked farm system while signing players on the cheap that he could get a good ROI. I like the plan especially if we extend our core group.
 

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Getting a power prospect out of the 2021 draft takes a little sting out of the Fabian no-sign (and we still get the pick back of course).

Meanwhile MLB announcers everywhere are wondering how Chaim managed to trade a free agent.
 

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The fascinating thing about Chaim is the unexpected, which usually translates to long-term success in some way. I find myself not judging any of his moves because it's often for two or three years down the road, but he has me continually transfixed. The most important acquisition by far the Red Sox have made in the past three years is securing his services to lead the team.
 

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Getting a power prospect out of the 2021 draft takes a little sting out of the Fabian no-sign (and we still get the pick back of course).

Meanwhile MLB announcers everywhere are wondering how Chaim managed to trade a free agent.
Why would they be wondering that?


Independent of that, if nothing else, this trade shows that the concerns about Bloom turning the Red Sox into a small payroll team are just plain dumb. There are ways to use one's money advantages that aren't signing the biggest name free agent to a big money deal. Taking on JBJ and his salary in order to get a couple good prospects is a way for a team to use its deeper pockets that hasn't been legislated out of the game with taxes and slotting and bonus pools. I like it and I don't care if JBJ ever takes the field again in a Red Sox uniform (though the fan in me is happy to see him back). The only unfortunate thing is we're going to be waiting quite a while to find out what comes next.
 

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Knowing nothing about these prospects, I'm having a hard time squaring the excitement voiced in this thread about Hamilton and Binelas with the report that they are the 16th and 17th best prospects in a pretty bad minor league system. Hunter Renfroe is hardly irreplaceable, but anybody want to spell this out for me?
This trade - like the Paxton signing - is all about potential "surplus value". This is pretty much akin to Theo - pre draft salary cap - signing a few players to overslot bonuses in hopes that one of them pan out.

Sure there's a chance in both deals that Bloom lit $10M or so on fire but if even one of them ever have an All-Star season, he'll basically have recouped everything.
 

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Yeah... wasn't Kiké a better CF than JBJ last seaSon by defensive metrics (which I don't put much stock in... but others obviously do)?
Generally I like the idea of JBJ being the rolling defensive sub and occasional CF starter (with Kiké occasionally going to 2B to help Arroyo) but that definitely means that something else needs to happen. I'm not confident in Schwarber getting signed and anyone assuming the Sox are getting Suzuki (or if he'll even be a good player in the MLB) are way ahead of themselves.
Maybe Bloom is incredibly confident in Duran but wants to ease him in?

And anyone claiming that Renfroe's bat "was exposed" in the playoffs is being silly. Just silly. Should we even get into SSS discussion and/or hot/cold streaks and ARod's "playoff struggles" or Betts "struggles" and assume that their bat was exposed? Or how player X,Y and/or Z hit 3 HR's, 2 doubles, and a 1.550 OPS during a World Series against the best pitching in MLB and then stunk the rest of their career?

But yeah.... maybe he was exposed. We just don't really know.
 

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Adding the prospects makes it easier to potentially pull of trades as well, obviously.

Assuming there is a season, the Sox seem to be setting themselves up as contenders but also, if they are not contending at the deadline, the have the potential to make a killing at the trade deadline with a ridiculous amount of assets on expiring deals.

Granted nobody wants that but as much as I have expressed concern about the lack of assets under long term control, there’s a positive side to it as well.

Of course, now we wait and the waiting is the hardest part.
 

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JBJ is moving to a more friendly ballpark and more support in the lineup. I just don't see how his OPS+ is anywhere near 34 next year. It was an outlier year. He usually has a K/BB ratio around 3. Last year it was above 4.5
Or he has a large fork in his back.
 

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I like this yet I don't at the same time. If JBJ is Santana's replacement then the cost is way to high imho. Not my money I know that argument but there's got to be more than that. Prospects are a gamble.....well, we'll see. Was hoping to hear more interesting news but without a CBA.......
 

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We know that JBJ is prone to massive slumps, and he seems like a guy who can tend to get inside his own head a bit too much. I wonder to what extent that being in a new situation and unfamiliar surroundings (during a pandemic, no less) contributed to his bad season. Things start poorly, you press, and it gets worse. We’ve certainly see it from him before and perhaps this is an instance where he needed to get back to Boston. He could be cooked, certainly, but the Sox know him better than anyone.

It’s a risk but you can see the logic in it.
 

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sure another move is coming... Kyle is coming - if going to have a back up OF - might as well be one of the best defence ones around.
I’m going to be concerned until they add a bat, and now we have to wait. JBJ needs to be a 4th outfielder at most.
 

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Renfroe had some great moments but his bat was exposed big time in the playoffs and had some bad blunders in the OF as well (although his arm was incredible)
It's rough boiling a guy's season down to the sampling of playoff games, but there's no escaping how bad this guy was in October between the crucial balls sailing by his glove, his completely non-competitive ABs, and a handful of near-disastrous throws that should not have been made he was really bad and arguably changed the complexion of the Houston series on his own. It's always better to trade a guy early than late and Chaim sold high. I wanted no part of the guy as he enters his 30s.

San Diego, Tampa Bay, and now Boston have all chosen to move on from the Hunter Renfroe experience. Nuff said.
 

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Yeah... wasn't Kiké a better CF than JBJ last seaSon by defensive metrics (which I don't put much stock in... but others obviously do)?
Generally I like the idea of JBJ being the rolling defensive sub and occasional CF starter (with Kiké occasionally going to 2B to help Arroyo) but that definitely means that something else needs to happen. I'm not confident in Schwarber getting signed and anyone assuming the Sox are getting Suzuki (or if he'll even be a good player in the MLB) are way ahead of themselves.
Maybe Bloom is incredibly confident in Duran but wants to ease him in?

And anyone claiming that Renfroe's bat "was exposed" in the playoffs is being silly. Just silly. Should we even get into SSS discussion and/or hot/cold streaks and ARod's "playoff struggles" or Betts "struggles" and assume that their bat was exposed? Or how player X,Y and/or Z hit 3 HR's, 2 doubles, and a 1.550 OPS during a World Series against the best pitching in MLB and then stunk the rest of their career?

But yeah.... maybe he was exposed. We just don't really know.
I look at it as every trade has some amount of risk.

JBJ may very well be cooked at the plate. I put far more stock in 387 regular season at bats for JBJ than I do in 16 ALCS at bats for Renfroe. And his defense is unlikely to improve at 32. However, his defense in right (where he can play) is likely going to be better than Renfroe's would be at age 30.

OTOH, Renfroe had a career year last year at 29, and the forward trajectory of such players is not always positive. He would have been a OK contract had he returned (the idea of him being non-tendered was absurd), but less of a bargain than he was in 2021. I will miss Renfroe, but too many times the magic doesn't return. Of course, there is a risk that he is just a late bloomer and goes on to have a 0.750 OPS or better season for the Brewers in 2022.

Getting a couple of prospects is not a bad thing; at some point, having the groceries on the shelf will be helpful when it comes to making trades.
 

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It does seem like the optimal time to sell high on Renfroe, whose 2021 was likely an outlier, and not sustainable. And the returning prospects seem like they’ll provide some of the organizational depth and flexibility Bloom is striving for. But, I’ll also echo others and say if this deal happens in a vacuum, without the acquisition another OF bat, I’m less bullish on it. Mainly because I don’t think JBJ is viable as an everyday starting player anymore, and still have significant doubts about Duran. If ultimately we see Schwarber, Suzuki, or somebody else added, very solid trade.
 

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This almost seems like a lateral shuffling to me. Especially given the $ aspect of this, even if we're "selling high" on Renfroe (which we probably are).

JBJ is owed $9.5 mill this year, and there's a $12M mutual option for 2023 with an $8M buyout.
Per: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/jackie-bradley-jr-to-exercise-2022-player-option-to-remain-with-brewers.html

That's a lot of change for a +CF who is likely to be a lineup hole for some part of the season. It's a massive amount of change for a 4th OF. (Change that might have been spent elsewhere?) Do we know what Renfroe might have been owed this year?

We know (numbers and eyeballs) that E.Hernandez is a good CF and, at best, only a decent 2B man. So the defense is potentially a wash if JBJ displaces Hernandez from CF. . .but the offense is almost certainly a downgrade from Hernandez/Arroyo to Hernandez/JBJ.

Does JBJ's range at Fenway have some value to the corner OFs? Is there another OF configuration that might work with Verdugo/JBJ/Hernandez?

Are the prospects worth that much?

Hamilton (24) with 150 ABs in AA, might be a ML 2B at some point. He has legit speed apparently, but the bat does not look outstanding. So he's sort of Downs (23) insurance?

Binelas (21) is a low-A power bat, likely to stick at 1B. It's never a bad thing to have a cluster of good hitting guys several years out.
 

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$7.5m is the projection I saw on Renfroe.

& yeah, if they actually plan on starting JBJ it's not great, but overpaying for a player with a specific skill that can help in the short term in order to build the farm is definitely a thing, & I don't really see a world where Bloom would plan on over-exposing JBJ by running him out there every day.
 

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OTOH, Renfroe had a career year last year at 29, and the forward trajectory of such players is not always positive. He would have been a OK contract had he returned (the idea of him being non-tendered was absurd), but less of a bargain than he was in 2021. I will miss Renfroe, but too many times the magic doesn't return. Of course, there is a risk that he is just a late bloomer and goes on to have a 0.750 OPS or better season for the Brewers in 2022.

Getting a couple of prospects is not a bad thing; at some point, having the groceries on the shelf will be helpful when it comes to making trades.
I dont have any specific problems with the trade as a way to buy prospects (although I have zero confidence in Bradley hitting enough to have more than ~200 PAs), but people keep saying this line that Renfroe just had a career year and I dont understand where it is coming from. His 2021 season is exactly in line of what you would expect if his COVID shortened year in TB never happened. Its almost exactly what he did over his (much longer) SD career.

I'd be pretty confident Renfroe is a ~250/300/500 player wtih an OPS+ of 110 through his arb years.... because thats exactly what he has been through his age 29 year.
 

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I have to think the plan is for JBJ to start. How helpful a backup OF would he be? They need a RH bat to take some tough at bats against lefties from Verdugo.


He’s career 1 for 29 as a PH and 4 for 66 as a sub. I think he’s a guy that needs regular playing time to be impactful, he seems really unlikely to be useful as a backup OF, and using him as just a defensive replacement seems like a waste of a roster spot.
 

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When the Penguins can't afford veteran leadership on their 4th line next season and Liverpool has a sieve for a backup 'keeper you know their fans are going to show up here and bitch us out, right?
I have no doubt the Sons of Moe Mantha and the Sons of Kenny Dalglish are SOFT.
 

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Are the prospects worth that much?
Assuming no value from JBJ and assuming that Renfroe's contract is a wash, and even if you take this Fangraphs article that teams paid $4.81M per win in FA in 2021 - which I note is way lower than it has been in previous years - if the prospects can generate what 4 wins over their cost-controlled years, then they will make up the $17.5M.

So to answer your question, yes prospects are worth that much.

The only reason Bloom does this deal is because he thinks it's pretty likely there will be a good amount of surplus value on the back end.
 

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I dont have any specific problems with the trade as a way to buy prospects (although I have zero confidence in Bradley hitting enough to have more than ~200 PAs), but people keep saying this line that Renfroe just had a career year and I dont understand where it is coming from. His 2021 season is exactly in line of what you would expect if his COVID shortened year in TB never happened. Its almost exactly what he did over his (much longer) SD career.

I'd be pretty confident Renfroe is a ~250/300/500 player wtih an OPS+ of 110 through his arb years.... because thats exactly what he has been through his age 29 year.
I do wonder if Chaim was looking at the possibility that the arbitration system may change to allow older arb-eligible players like Renfroe to become free agents sooner (he would be almost 33 by the time he is UFA). It's one of those areas that the owners could give back without too much impact to the bottom line.
 

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When the Penguins can't afford veteran leadership on their 4th line next season and Liverpool has a sieve for a backup 'keeper you know their fans are going to show up here and bitch us out, right?
I admin the UK Sox FB group. Already got the Liverpool fan "JWH is stretching himself too thin, spend money on the [Liverpool] team instead" comments.

What confuses me here is how based on rankings I've read in this thread Binelas can be #16 on the Brewers farm, the Brewers' farm can be #28 in baseball, and Binelas can be the #65 prospect in MLB. If you have fifteen of the top 64 prospects, then you can't be one of the worst systems, to put it mildly. What happened? Is it a chronological issue, with the MIL farm system having a breakout summer meaning the system ranking from last off-season is outdated? Or is one of the ratings just trash?
 

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If JBJ does just enough with the bat and retains his usual defensive value, it’s also not out of the realm of possibility that they could recoup some more prospect value if subsidized for an OF-needy team mid-season.

Nothing major of course, but along the lines of the Pillar trade for Wallace (14 k/9 last season) and intl slot money.

Bloom is a creative guy and he hasn’t even fully begun to flex the financial muscles yet. Fun to watch him work. Wheels always turning.
 

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I admin the UK Sox FB group. Already got the Liverpool fan "JWH is stretching himself too thin, spend money on the [Liverpool] team instead" comments.

What confuses me here is how based on rankings I've read in this thread Binelas can be #16 on the Brewers farm, the Brewers' farm can be #28 in baseball, and Binelas can be the #65 prospect in MLB. If you have fifteen of the top 64 prospects, then you can't be one of the worst systems, to put it mildly. What happened? Is it a chronological issue, with the MIL farm system having a breakout summer meaning the system ranking from last off-season is outdated? Or is one of the ratings just trash?
I believe 65 refers to his 2021 draft ranking, not overall prospect ranking. Still nice to get an extra top 100 guy in the draft year. Big power added between him, Kavadas, and Jordan in 2020.

I also don’t read too much into being 16th in a bad system. Recent picks especially in non-premium positions (outside of real 1st round blue chippers) generally start in the 10-20 range and need to prove it a bit before bouncing guys from the top 10. Nick Yorke, for example.
 

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I think the option / buyout of JBJ probably make a deadline deal difficult- if he’s playing well, they will probably want to keep him the next year, too.

Sox now have the following players on one year deals, could make for a Cubs type fire sale if things don’t go well.

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How helpful a backup OF would he be?
Great defense and a career .717 OPS v. RHP so he's a cromulent choice as a pinch hitter and occasional starter versus righties(particularly since it'll be harder to counter his PH'ing now with three batter min.) Decent baserunner too. So yeah, I'd say he's about as valuable or more valuable than your typical 4th OF.
 

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Maybe this signals some confidence in Duran? He really has nothing to prove in AAA, is 25/26 next season, and is the 25th ranked prospect in all of baseball according to MLB.com. A lot of people seem to be pretty down on him here but eventually he needs a chance to prove he can be a contributor. If he is bad we still have JBJ as a back up.

edit: Also, any chance Duran could play some 2b? I know they moved him off it to take advantage of his speed, but Bloom loves versatility.
 

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I'm a fan of this deal, as I think JBJ is young enough to get his hitting mojo back and I'd had it with Renfroe's "what's a cutoff man" defensive approach.
JBJ gets his hitting mojo back 2-3 times per season and is a career .230 hitter. 12M is a good amount to pay for a 4th OF, I'm curious to see what follows here.

Edited to say that I shouldn't ignore the prospects coming back in this deal, but it's also fair to look at the affect on the 2022 season.