How happy are you with your club?

In most American team sports, the playing field is level enough that every team can hope to win titles or go deep into the playoffs. In world soccer, that's clearly not the case - so fans generally calibrate their expectations to their club's circumstances. So I'm curious: how happy are you with your club relative to your expectations for it?

Just two questions for you to answer, really:

1) What club do you support?

2) On a scale of 1 to 10 (where 1 is a tale of rank incompetence and underachievement and 10 is a tale of plucky overachievement you can hardly believe is happening), where would you rank your club on the happiness scale?

Some possible examples I might suggest from a neutral's perspective:

--Huddersfield: has to be a 10, right? This is probably as good as it gets, even if they do wind up getting relegated back to the Championship this year.

--Crystal Palace: I'd guess around a 3 - De Boer looks like a disaster, but at least you're in the Premiership, and the prognosis is not automatically hopeless.

--Newcastle: could be anywhere from a 1 to a 6 depending on your optimistic or pessimistic outlook, I guess.

--Barcelona: Maybe a 4? Real Madrid seems clearly a step ahead at the moment (even if you're two points ahead of them in the early league table), and the board seems awfully directionless.

--PSG: 9 or 10, with the possibility of dropping several points if FFP ever comes into play (but hey, you've got Neymar already and Mbappe is coming, and really, your club could hardly ever be better than this).

--Bayern Munich: a steady 7 - almost certain to win the Bundesliga again, increasingly unlikely to threaten the Champions League.

--Celtic: probably 9 or 10 as well in the Rodgers era (whereas you could have been a 3 or 4 as recently as the Deila era, even as the SPL titles kept rolling in).

Feel free to disagree with any of those suggestions, of course. Also, if you want to factor absolute achievement and not just relative achievement into your ranking, that's fine - e.g., maybe you support Manchester City and still can't believe your lucky stars that you're challenging for the Premier League and have a puncher's chance at the Champions League rather than playing in League One. But you don't have to - I'm curious as to what you feel from your perspective as a fan of your club. Just because your club is threatening to win the title in your league doesn't mean to be happy with it, and just because it's not doesn't mean you can't be overjoyed with it.
 

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Tottenham: 6

The rating is for early season slow start (honestly, had they beaten Burnley it'd be an 8), I'm struggling with the feeling that there isn't enough depth, HOWEVER, they've made a few very recent transfers which will hopefully help, as they have a killer UCL group. If they crash out early, then I feel pretty good about the PL the rest of the year.

Also, Arsenal is currently in 16th place, so that's always nice.
 

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Are we talking about our feeling right now, or how happy we have been during our total time rooting for our club?

My experiences with Liverpool range from a 2004 ALCS-like comeback win in the 2005 Champions League Final to being within hours of going into administration before John Henry jumped in, along with a few more incredible cup final wins, a couple of near-miss title losses, and watching Roy Hodgson manage Paul Konchesky. But overall, I think I've enjoyed Liverpool's peaks and valleys much more than a lot of Arsenal fans have enjoyed their club's consistency.

If we are talking about right now, I am all-in on Klopp. Even with the defensive issues, 3-3 draws are a lot more fun to watch than 0-0 draws.
 

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Liverpool here

I'd say an 8

The team certainly seems on the up and up. As SFIC put it I'm all in on Klopp. I don't think they win the PL this year (unless VVD miraculously arrives tomorrow ) but a top 4 seems likely and I think they will do very well in the CL - final eight is reachable. Easy group plus they play their best against good teams.

Best I've felt about the team since the near miss in 2008-2009 ( that great Gerrard/Torres/Alonso group)

And best of all they are enormously fun to watch.
 

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Brighton & Hove Albion: 5.

Delighted to be here for the first time in some 35 years. However, it would be nice to score a goal at some point. But even scoreless, the club has a point and is not currently in the drop zone.

I have very low expectations for the season as a whole, but it is nice to get one dance anyway.
 
Are we talking about our feeling right now, or how happy we have been during our total time rooting for our club?
My intention was to have you rate how you're feeling right now - obviously there are peaks and valleys for all of us in our supporting lives, and speaking as a Gooner, certainly my rating for Arsenal would have been rather higher even as recently as just after the FA Cup Final than it is at this instant. But of course you can do whatever you want...including coming back to this thread every week and giving a new rating.
Brighton & Hove Albion: 5.
Just a 5? For Brighton? Really? You lost at home to Man City and away to Leicester, and got an away point at Watford - hardly disastrous - and you're in the Premier League for the first time in 35 years! If you're not at least at a 7 or 8, that seems insanely morose to me. You're allowed to have low expectations and still enjoy the heck out of life at the top table.
 

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I'm not really interested in going to any games and after the second goal, I watched an America's Game I recorded from Sky Sports Mix.

Meanwhile, my side club, Ajax, is throwing up all over itself in Europe, the transfer market, and the Eredivisie, and the Dutch national team is probably not going to qualify for the World Cup.

Football is kinda disappointing for me at the moment.
 

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Everton

7.5

This was as high as a 9 given general satisfaction with management, the quality of the u23 squad which continues to supply good players, the excellent transfer window to date, the great initial showing by Rooney, the early showing that Pickford is a huge talent, and advancement in Europa.

At this moment, as I sip my coffee, it's panic-driven lower due to the apparent failure to fill the glaring needs for a striker and help at the back, concerns about depth given the demands of a tough Europa group, and early disappointment in games against elite clubs - giving up a late equalizer to 10-man City, and completely surrendering to Chelsea - sentiment of "same old Everton " are out there on the blogs.

So a shade over 7, for the perpetual 7th place side.
 

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Juventus

9

We're spoiled rotten by the club's dominance in Serie A. Losing in a UCL final to a superior team with superior resources isn't something you can knock the team for. The only thing that keeps it from being a perfect 10 is the painful transfers out endured year after year. Bonucci hurt. Pogba felt inevitable. Vidal was something of a gut punch. Every year, you know it'll be somebody. I'm trying to be optimistic that Dybala's heart for the club is genuine and he means everything he says, but I'm fairly bitter on that at this point.

As a goalkeeper, rooting for Gigi Buffon year after year has been a personal treasure that has even exceeded Papi or Brady for me. Footy is first in my heart. There's something just as special about the Italian legend as our local heroes.

Liverpool

7

Crushing the Top 6 is incredible fun. Dropping all the points to the bottom half is infuriating.

The counterattacks are things of beauty. Infinitely rewatchable.

Klopp is an incredibly fun manager, but he does leave you scratching your head at times. The episode with Karius last weekend is a prime example.

Jon Achterberg, the goalkeeper coach, seems to have ruined every goalkeeper he's touched with the club.

Daniel Sturridge is on the roster. When written on the team sheet, there's always the concern that the paper his name is written on is stronger than what's holding his body together.
 

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Crystal Palace: 2 or 3

There is so much talent on that team, but they always find a way to suck. De Boer looks like a complete disaster, but can they really fire him after three games? Or do they let this car crash go further and risk their place in the league. I wouldn't want to be the one making that decision.

Edit: after signing Sakho I'll go ahead and give Palace the 3.


Union Berlin: 8

I am not able to follow them as closely as I would like (yet), but they've got a good coach and are on an upswing, and should challenge for promotion to the first Bundesliga. There's a lot of optimism around the club and they're expanding the stadium as if they fully intend to be in the first division soon.
 
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Slightly more pessimistic than my Red brothers above. 7

When the offense is flowing it is some of the most enjoyable soccer to watch. But the defense is such a glaring weakness. If it were patched up I would bump this to a 9 as I think they would seriously challenge for the premiership let alone another top 4.

And now I'm having a panic attack thinking about the back line defending a set piece. Supporter Xanax prescriptions should come directly from LFC coffers.
 

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[QUOTE="Spacemans Bong, post: 2407239, member: 226" Meanwhile, my side club, Ajax, is throwing up all over itself in Europe, the transfer market, and the Eredivisie, and the Dutch national team is probably not going to qualify for the World Cup.

Football is kinda disappointing for me at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Amen brother. Going from losing the ec final to losing to nice, losing a talented player to a heartattack, losing to Rosenborg. Losing Sanchez a week before the season to a transfer. Losing to Heracles, its been horrible. First time in 25 years missing out on europe. im old enough to remember those days, those were horrible. So a 3 for me right now.

If you look at big money taking over the game then look no futher than Ajax in the last 20/25 years orso.

The dutch nightmare will be over after tonight when we get trounced by France. Not sure what needs to be done, we are in a backslide and can not find the way up. We are depended on RvP, Robben and Sneijder tonight. Will be a tough one to watch honestly.

A 4 for mediocrity. Pfff even worse than i thought its a 2 really.
 
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Born and bred trotter. 7

Just stay in a relevant league, punch above weight and exist. Some sustainability is what I'm looking for.

We'll always have 58, the lion of Vienna (probably the best footballer England ever produced that no one talks about) and those years where we stuck it to the Prem on a budget found between car seat cushions.

O me lads you should of seen em running, ask em why and they'll reply the Bolton boys are comin.
 

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--Celtic: probably 9 or 10 as well in the Rodgers era (whereas you could have been a 3 or 4 as recently as the Deila era, even as the SPL titles kept rolling in).
Celtic fan here, I'd say I'm at an 8 or a 9. I won't be a 10 unless/until the club has a puncher's chance of advancing beyond the CL group stage. I don't ever expect them to make it past the round of 16, but at least getting there should be the ultimate goal. They did it twice in the mid-2000s, did it again in 2013, although the European football landscape may be so irrevocably changed even since then that it's impossible for a club like Celtic to get there.
 
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While I agree with DrewDawg's concerns over how the season has started, I have to say I've never entered a season with more optimism, not just for this year but for the next few years. Young core of players, led with what I think is the best duo in the league in Kane and Alli. The Wembley curse can't be a real thing, right? I mean, right???
 

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Newcastle - 5, avg of the three below

Manager - 9
By all rights, Rafa should not be managing this club. We got lucky that the job was open and he wanted to return to England when Real Madrid fired him. I gave it a 1/10 chance he'd stay on through relegation and he did. He has a huge soft spot for the fans and the town. The only reason it's not a 10 is there are constant rumors whenever another EPL job is in jeopardy (right now it's West Ham).

Owner - 1
Raise your hand if your owner has puked into a pub's fireplace. I mean, he couldn't make it to the urinal? Between his "drinking meetings" and zero-hour contracts to SportDirect employees, Ashley is a loathsome businessman. With the club, pre-Rafa, he had a "26 and under" buying policy which meant no experience or leadership and got us relegated. In May he publicly promised Rafa all resources from promotion, and then a few weeks ago cried poor. If Rafa leaves, fans won't blame him, it'd entirely be on Ashley

Team - 5
The defense has been surprising good, especially considering 3/4 of the starters are injured. Lascelles is the best leader this club has had since Kevin Nolan. We have wingers for days. We could use a left back because of injuries, a secondary striker, and a central mid. We probably won't get any of them today. If Merino can play as well as he did last week, that means we don't have to rely on Shelvey as much, which would be a big plus. I'll be content if they stay up and elated if they're solidly 13th-15th
 
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I've watched soccer on and off for years and was a casual fan of Spurs since about 2011, weirdly enough because I really liked Rafa van der Vaart and I wanted to follow a team that had a chance at winning the league but didn't want to just attach myself to a continental super power, because who is more annoying than that Real Madrid/Man U/Barca fan you know? I seriously started watching two years ago when I largely gave up college football and suddenly had a lot more time on Saturdays. Last year was terrific and the team could have won the league if Kane didn't miss some time and a few other things broke their way. Great skill up front with young stars in Kane/Alli/Eriksen and capable supporting attackers in Son/Dembele/Dier/Wanyama and a good defense with the Belgian combo at CB and one of the best keepers in Europe between the pipes. This season has been a little slow but Alonso doesn't uncork a gem and Kane doesn't hit the post a dozen times and the team is rolling.
 

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New England Revolution: 2

Uninspiring team with a worse-than-mediocre coach, a clueless and incompetent FO, and an owner who provides zero leadership, direction, or accountability. They play on a plastic pitch in a stadium located in the boonies that's way too big for them. Also, their logo sucks. And honestly, so does their name.

The only salvation is somebody buying the franchise and starting from scratch. The club needs a new owner, a new stadium, a new FO, and a new identity.
 

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Newcastle - 5, avg of the three below

Manager - 9
By all rights, Rafa should not be managing this club. We got lucky that the job was open and he wanted to return to England when Real Madrid fired him. I gave it a 1/10 chance he'd stay on through relegation and he did. He has a huge soft spot for the fans and the town. The only reason it's not a 10 is there are constant rumors whenever another EPL job is in jeopardy (right now it's West Ham).

Owner - 1
Raise your hand if your owner has puked into a pub's fireplace. I mean, he couldn't make it to the urinal? Between his "drinking meetings" and zero-hour contracts to SportDirect employees, Ashley is a loathsome businessman. With the club, pre-Rafa, he had a "26 and under" buying policy which meant no experience or leadership and got us relegated. In May he publicly promised Rafa all resources from promotion, and then a few weeks ago cried poor. If Rafa leaves, fans won't blame him, it'd entirely be on Ashley

Team - 5
The defense has been surprising good, especially considering 3/4 of the starters are injured. Lascelles is the best leader this club has had since Kevin Nolan. We have wingers for days. We could use a left back because of injuries, a secondary striker, and a central mid. We probably won't get any of them today. If Merino can play as well as he did last week, that means we don't have to rely on Shelvey as much, which would be a big plus. I'll be content if they stay up and elated if they're solidly 13th-15th
I was gonna go 4 but 5 is good too, and you've laid out a rational case for it. Cheers.

But I suppose this is all about expectations; all I expect from this club is to be disappointed so if they meet my expectations, are we good? That's a question for philosophers, or @fletcherpost.

Nothing sums up the Newcastle fan experience quite like this picture:
 

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Qpr- 3. We always stink. After being a charter member of the EPL. we barely came back for a cup of coffee a few years ago. More likely to drop than get back.
 

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This year isn't going according to plan, the fan base is mutinous and unreasonable, and the last two seasons have ended in heartbreak. At least we're not in league one and about to go into administration.
 

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New England Revolution: 2

Uninspiring team with a worse-than-mediocre coach, a clueless and incompetent FO, and an owner who provides zero leadership, direction, or accountability. They play on a plastic pitch in a stadium located in the boonies that's way too big for them. Also, their logo sucks. And honestly, so does their name.

The only salvation is somebody buying the franchise and starting from scratch. The club needs a new owner, a new stadium, a new FO, and a new identity.
too high
 

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7

Owner cares a lot, but doesn't have a ton of money, and he has too much faith be in a mediocre GM in Gavin Wilkinson. But we did win the cup recently and are in a good position this year.


Sunderland

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I don't care if the scale is 1-10. They fucking suck from top to bottom.
 

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Leeds United: 7, highest rating since 2003.

It hasn't been easy to support this club from afar. Ever since Peter Ridsdale and company gutted the club for short term gain 15 years ago, LUFC has been a circus, a laughing stock. It now looks like the cart is finally back on the rails, and promotion seems possible. New, stable appearing owner, young new manager doing well, the club has repurchased its stadium, a glut of talented new signings to make up for the loss of Chris Wood and Robert Green, and a strong core of players returning. Of course, it may not end well, but for now, I'm feeling optimistic.

Premier League interest-- Chelsea: 6.5

I've liked Chelsea for almost as long, and it's nice that they 1) win a lot, and 2) show up on TV frequently. These are two things Leeds have failed to offer me. It's not quite the same; more of a cool, detached interest. As such, I'm not really stressed that other clubs may be passing them. They are playing with house money. They have had likable players over the years, and I once liked Mou too, but I've moved on in that regard.
I hope they do well again, though I will be pulling for Liverpool also this year.
 

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Swansea gets Bony and Sanches. Clement seems to be a stabilizing force. Hoping they can spend the season safely out of the relegation zone.
 

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Atletico de Madrid: 10.

It's all about Simeone. I started following the team in 2006, the year I graduated college and moved to Spain for a year to teach English. That year, the team finished 7th -- the lack of European football the following year was one of the reasons why Torres left for Liverpool. The team did win the Europa League in 2010-11 under Quique Flores, but Atletico were mediocre and/or disappointing before Simeone: from 2006-2007 to Simeone's arrival in 2011, the team finished 7th, 4th, 4th, 9th, 7th, 5th.

Simeone changed the club's culture. It's been exhilarating.

There are some problems with the ownership, but Simeone's intensity and grit overshadow any administrative issues. His passion is contagious.

The players have bought into his system, and while it may not be the prettiest of football at times, it's effective and yields results.
 
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Liverpool: 7

It's nice that Klopp can draw players to Anfield, and it's nice that FSG has shown a willingness to spend. Now, let's see them get a couple CBs and challenge for the PL title annually.

TSV 1860 Munich: whatever number you can think of, it needs to be lower.

Ismaik picking a fight with the DFB over his control stake with the club as hostage is disgusting, they're playing B clubs for 2.Liga teams, and the halcyon days of Martin Max and European competition may as well be another club's history. The only positive is they're out of the Allianz and back home to Grünwalderstadion.
 

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I just feel like ownership has decided that it's fine for NUFC to be a yo-yo club. I think that understates the club's potential. More importantly, it also underestimates how greasy the pole gets in the lower levels. They've walked back up after the last two relegations, but there is no particular reason to think it will always be that simple.

Celtic: 9

Not much more you can ask. I do have a vague hope that they will take advantage these last few years of total mayhem at Rangweres by focusing on Europe and making a decent Europa Cup run. But qualifying for the CL group stages is a 90th percentile outcome for a club of Celtic's current size.
 

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I'm a softie.

It's probably evident from my posting, but at this point I consider myself more of a fan of the USMNT (and YNTs) and an interested observer of all things US soccer than a Revs fan specifically. I'm far more entertained by MLS as a neutral than I am by the Revs as a supporter.

Nevertheless, I vow to continue to bitch about the club until it is sold.
 

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1 if I'm being generous
Had been fairly happy with the team last few years, but held Bilic through the summer and again gave him another shot after a disastrous start. Net spend of nothing on transfers including about 11 more squad players out than in.
Refused to go an extra 4M to get Carvalho who is exactly what they needed and compounded the mistake BY NOT SIGNING A SINGLE FUCKING IN PLAYER
The owners are a mess and lack the resources to compete at the level they promise but refuse to sell.
We have a nice stadium and a lot of talented youth, but a new manager is needed and either new owners or a commitment to letting someone else handle transfers
 

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Rumors bumping around that Blackpool to be put up for sale. That’s got to be as ecstatic a group of fans as there are in the world right now.
 

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Everton

7.5

This was as high as a 9 given general satisfaction with management, the quality of the u23 squad which continues to supply good players, the excellent transfer window to date, the great initial showing by Rooney, the early showing that Pickford is a huge talent, and advancement in Europa.

At this moment, as I sip my coffee, it's panic-driven lower due to the apparent failure to fill the glaring needs for a striker and help at the back, concerns about depth given the demands of a tough Europa group, and early disappointment in games against elite clubs - giving up a late equalizer to 10-man City, and completely surrendering to Chelsea - sentiment of "same old Everton " are out there on the blogs.

So a shade over 7, for the perpetual 7th place side.
I would like to revise and extend my earlier remarks.

 

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Well you got one part right...
I think the official scorer will give me 2 for 2 on that, seeing as how Williams has the mobility and football nous of a tree stump, Holgate loves to gift the ball to the opposing striker, and Leighton Baines is going to drop dead any day now since the backup LB would be a ballboy or steward.
 
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Oh yeah didn't mean striker and help at the back aren't both huge issues as they obviously are; meant that you were right about that entire phrase.