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smastroyin said:
Also, on Salty, isn't the QO the ideal solution for the Sox?  Make the QO and you don't have to worry about catcher next year and you get a year to evaluate what you think you have in Vasquez.  If he leaves for a multi-year deal you don't want to sign, then you get a draft pick.  I mean, anything is possible, maybe they have some agreement with him that they won't QO him or something.
 
I agree I think the QO is probably ideal I'm just not sure what you do when he leaves cause it's hard for me to picture him not getting several multi-year offers.  Lavarnway and Ross?  I like Ross a lot just don't think he would hold up well as the primary backstop.
 

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rembrat said:
I'd kick the tires on Beltran and hope he's willing to take a pay cut in dollars and years. 
 
I'd kick more than the tires if there's not a QO attached, but I think it's a given with him.
 

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Why in God's good name would you platoon XB?
Touche. Overthought trying to reestablish Middlebrooks' value to the sacrifice of what's best for the team.
 

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The whole Stanton thing reminds me too much of the Adrian Gonzalez business. Trade high end prospects for young player coming into his prime and sign him to a mega-extension. FWIW, here's a link to a comparison on the two via Fangraphs:
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1908&position=1B&page=0&players=4949
 
Obviously Stanton is young and has considerable upside and has numbers that are superior to Gonzalez in some respects at a similar age. Clearly the Cabrera trade does not look good in hindsight and you'd have to think would put pressure on them to hold out for some top-flight, can't miss prospects.  You'd have to think that the conversation would start with Xander and/or Cecchini, Owens / Ranaudo / Barnes / and someone like Swihart plus filler. 
 
I'm perfectly content to work with Napoli who seemed to fit in here, plated excellent defense, gets on base and has good power and will not cost prospects and will be a cheaper long-term cost. For me, the Sox lost their identity a bit after 2007 by fishing in the big name FA pond too much, trading prospects and hurting their payroll flexibility with big contracts. The Dodgers trade allowed them to hit the re-set button and revive their previous successful strategy to giving roles to homegrown players and signing useful role players at discounted rates.  It's hard to argue with the results.
 
I'm content to hang with Napoli, let WMB play the season with Cecchini waiting to take over long term. XBH is obviously the long-term solution at SS. Bradley can man CF.  I'm good with letting Ellsbury walk since I think some team is going to give him more than a BJ Upton deal (Seattle or maybe Texas have need and resources). Gomes and Nava were capable platoon partners in LF. Choo is an excellent offensive player that you can plug in at the top of the order to offset the loss of Ellsbury. According to Fangraphs, Choo was a 5.2 WAR player with superior offensive numbers to Ellsbury who was a 5.8 WAR, the difference being base running and fielding. There will be a market for both and Fangraphs has Ellsbury being the slightly more expensive player at $28.6 million in estimate value this season. If he were signed, I think Choo belongs in LF which will help offset his defensive shortcomings (having Bradley and Victorino in the outfield will presumably help on defense as well).  Biggest problem with the Choo scenario is obviously the price. You have to figure the FA market will push Choo's value close to Ellsbury, who is younger and probably a superior all-around player over the length of any deal.
 
As for C, due to the scarcity of quality players, I wouldn't hate a deal for McCann, especially since he could take over at DH for Big Papi when he gets tired of destroying major league pitching with Swihart being a long-term replacement when he's ready, . He's only one year older than Salty and a superior offensive player and is apparently a pretty decent defensive catcher. It seems fairly clear at this point that the organization doesn't think Lavarnway is a long-term answer at C.
 
Given the question marks in the bullpen (other than Koji), that seems like a legitimate area of need.  My only thought is to find a couple of high K% guys of the scrap heap and hope you get a little lucky. FWIW, I think relievers are just plain hard to evaluate so I will defer to everyone else's superior judgment on that subject.
 

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EP Sox Fan said:
The whole Stanton thing reminds me too much of the Adrian Gonzalez business. Trade high end prospects for young player coming into his prime and sign him to a mega-extension. FWIW, here's a link to a comparison on the two via Fangraphs:
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1908&position=1B&page=0&players=4949
 
Obviously Stanton is young and has considerable upside and has numbers that are superior to Gonzalez in some respects at a similar age. Clearly the Cabrera trade does not look good in hindsight and you'd have to think would put pressure on them to hold out for some top-flight, can't miss prospects.  You'd have to think that the conversation would start with Xander and/or Cecchini, Owens / Ranaudo / Barnes / and someone like Swihart plus filler. 
 
If you can get Stanton without giving up Xander I think you kind of have to do it.  Whether that's possible remains to be seen.  That fangraphs comparison illustrates how good Stanton is at such an early age.
 

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First: extend the qualifying offer to all eligible players. Ideally, they would all take it and the Sox can go back with what they have. This is not happening, so the draft picks will have to suffice.
 
Decision tree:
 
Ellsbury for up to Carl Crawford money. If he gets more elsewhere, then sign Rajai Davis as outfield insurance for Jackie Bradley.
Saltalamacchia for three seasons at Molina money. Durability concerns me here. No good free agent contingencies, so go with in-house if necessary. Maybe trade for Miguel Montero?
Drew if he takes the qualifying offer. He has little incentive to stay here, his job situation being so tenuous. If he bolts, bring in some all-glove utility backup like Brendan Ryan, Cesar Izturis, or perhaps an internal option (Meinesses?) to give Bogaerts a break at short. In this situation, I'd like to see Eric Chavez providing relief for Middlebrooks at third.
Napoli is the lowest priority, but probably the most amenable to the qualifying offer. The market is thin. Without Napoli, I hope Daniel Nava and Alex Hassan get a lot of infield practice.
 
Don't look to move any of the pitchers. I'd like to see them address the holes they have and use the pitchers as ballast if needed. For example, Ryan Dempster's money erases ~one year of the remaining four on Miguel Montero's contract. 
 
I'm not interested in Stanton or Choo. The former because he's too expensive (prospect-wise) and has considerable injury concerns. The latter because of his defensive liabilities, and the fact that he may not be all that much better than (for example) Daniel Nava going forward.
 

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QO to Ells, Drew,Salty, Napoli
 
For Drew and Napoli stay put with the QO, no multi-year deals
 
Try to keep Salty for 2 Yrs, Say 2/25. If that does not get it done and he does not want the QO let him get his 4/50 somewhere else
 
Ells--5/120 not much more than that. i would also be leery of 6 years even at a lower AAV.
 
Try extend Lester if you could get it done with a 4/68
 
Get a LOOGY yesterday.
 
Trade Dempster--He is blocking many young guys.
 
Workman to start the year in the BP. Hope that RDLR steps up for the Pen in ST also.
 
Pick up a Jesse Crain type for 7th/8th to alternate/rest Taz.
 
This October I have been thinking hard about our great 03-08 teams. One thing I think we are short on now is the real 2nd stud in the lineup that can hit any pitcher like Manny and Papi in the recent past. Maybe he is under our nose in Xander, but that is several years from now probably, and Papi will most likely be done. Detroit was the team that had the 2 studs on paper, but somehow Fielder turned into a very large pumpkin in 2013.
Abreu was appealing b/c he cost only money, but he is unproven. Short of Stanton, who would simply cost too much, I do not see that guy available. Maybe Beltran on a 2-3 year deal but then you are basically saying goodbye to 1 of Gomes and Nava, and seriously blocking Bradley if Jacoby stays.
 

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They'll extend a QO to Drew. If he takes it, they have him, Bogaerts, and Middlebrooks for the left side of the infield, with Cecchini likely ready by September.
 
They'll also QO Ellsbury. If he comes back, they'll have him, Victorino, Bradley, Gomes, and Nava for the outfield.
 
Both of these scenarios look like logjams. Is that a problem? Doesn't seem like a great allocation of resources.
 

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I'd let pretty much everyone walk (with QOs if you can.)  I'd sign Nap to the same deal.  Salty to a very moderate overpay only - WS play should have reminded us he's neither an offensive or defensive god.  
 
OF:  JBJ, Victorino, Gomes/Nava (Brentz)
 
IF: Napoli/Carp, Pedroia, Xander, WMB
 
C: Salty, Ross, Lavarnway
 
DH: Ortiz, Carp
 
SP: Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront, (Dempster/Peavy/Rubby/Webster/Owens/Barnes/Ranaudo)
 
RP: Uehara, Bailey, Tazawa, Morales, Miller, Britton, Breslow, Wilson, et. al. 
 
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I'd shell out some coin for deeper RP corps (trade Dempster or Peavy?)  Obvious areas to upgrade are 3B (depends on internal WMB confidence), and 1B (Napoli?  Or convert a bat like Lavarnway/Brentz?  Or Shaw?)
 
Basically it all depends on how and when you start transitioning the younger players in.  And that depends on the Sox internal evaluations.  
 
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PS - I think the Sox drink their own Kool-Aid re: "deep depth."  I see them doing a repeat of last season, FWIW, in terms of going after lesser known names who give very good (not elite) production at most positions.  
 

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Shop Dempster and Peavy. Trade Dempster unless someone is willing to overpay for Peavy.
 
QO everyone. Hope Napoli accepts. Hope everyone else doesn't.
 
Sign McCann. McCann's struggles the last 2 years appear to be entirely BABIP luck dependent (all his peripherals are intact. He's one of the best catchers in the game and presents an opportunity to upgrade on the current roster. I think $60 or $70 million over 4 years is likely enough. $80 million over 5 is probably my breaking point.
 
Extend Lester at Lackey dollars if he'll take it. If not, don't go crazy just because he had a great postseason.
 
Make a serious run at Ellsbury and then walk away when the price gets too high. I'd offer around 6 years and $120 million, but I really don't expect that to be enough.
 
Sign a backup shortstop/utility guy. 
 
Have a serious conversation about how much it would take to sign Xander Bogaerts for the next 15 years. (I don't think this goes anywhere, but I also don't see Boras letting him sign a deal that buys out a few arb years either. The 15 year deal concept might create some negotiating space, but the number would be pretty intimidating for a guy with his experience.)
 
Do not trade for a closer, or any reliever. Bargain shop in the reliever space. I'm not going to try to guess names but there are cheap relievers available every offseason if you wait out the market.
 
I think that's it. Bogaerts replaces Drew, McCann replaces Salty, Middlebrooks keeps his job by default, Bradley Jr. takes over in CF. Everything else is pretty much the same. Hopefully, McCann, Bogaerts, and Middlebrooks (he can't be any worse than he was this year) can offset the lost offense from losing Ellsbury. The team continues the transition to youth while not sacrificing its ability to compete for titles in the short term. 
 

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Rovin Romine said:
I'd let pretty much everyone walk (with QOs if you can.)  I'd sign Nap to the same deal.  Salty to a very moderate overpay only - WS play should have reminded us he's neither an offensive or defensive god.  
 
OF:  JBJ, Victorino, Gomes/Nava (Brentz)
 
IF: Napoli/Carp, Pedroia, Xander, WMB
 
C: Salty, Ross, Lavarnway
 
DH: Ortiz, Carp
 
SP: Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront, (Dempster/Peavy/Rubby/Webster/Owens/Barnes/Ranaudo)
 
RP: Uehara, Bailey, Tazawa, Morales, Miller, Britton, Breslow, Wilson, et. al. 
 
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I'd shell out some coin for deeper RP corps (trade Dempster or Peavy?)  Obvious areas to upgrade are 3B (depends on internal WMB confidence), and 1B (Napoli?  Or convert a bat like Lavarnway/Brentz?  Or Shaw?)
 
Basically it all depends on how and when you start transitioning the younger players in.  And that depends on the Sox internal evaluations.  
 
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PS - I think the Sox drink their own Kool-Aid re: "deep depth."  I see them doing a repeat of last season, FWIW, in terms of going after lesser known names who give very good (not elite) production at most positions.  
How soon they forget. Brandon Workman should be given a shot at a starting slot. We might have Justin Masterson 2.0 siting in our bullpen. I would shop Peavy or  Dempster to the Mets perhaps as a Harvey fill-in.
 

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QO offer to Ells (duh), try to sign him for 5/95 which won't happen so he walks.
QO to Drew, if he accepts you look to eat some money and trade him. 
QO to Napoli and try to sign him for 2/26
QO to Salty and try to sign for 2/22 or 3/30
Try to extend Lester but it likely won't happen
Trade Dempster picking up some money, you won't get much but I don't want to trade any of the other starters.
Give JBJ the job in center
Ideally sign or trade for a left handed third baseman to platoon and take pressure off of WMB who I think has been injured and will bounce back. I don't see anyone in the FA market worth going for so I think it may need to be a trade, maybe with Dempster as a part
 

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I see a lot of people advocating letting Ells walk and giving the job to JBJ, but with everyone aging where do we make up the 5.8 WAR from Ells?  Let's say JBJ is worth 2.0 WAR where do we make up that difference?
 

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selahsean said:
I see a lot of people advocating letting Ells walk and giving the job to JBJ, but with everyone aging where do we make up the 5.8 WAR from Ells?  Let's say JBJ is worth 2.0 WAR where do we make up that difference?
Pedroia, Middlebrooks, and Xander could all add up to 3.8 WAR better than what their position accumulated this season, even though that's unlikely. The thing is, will Victorino and Nava/Gomes produce at the same level they did? They can feasibly make up for one of those guys having a letdown, but not all of them. 
 

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My personal binky is Dexter Fowler who is rumored to be available in trade:
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fowlede01.shtml
 
He is a speedy plate disciplined leadoff hitter with good centerfield defense.  If they don't feel that JBJ is ready, Fowler might be a good target although he will cost prospects.  A pitcher plus a blocked player such as Mookie Betts could be enough to get something like this done.
 

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The Boomer said:
My personal binky is Dexter Fowler who is rumored to be available in trade:
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fowlede01.shtml
 
He is a speedy plate disciplined leadoff hitter with good centerfield defense.  If they don't feel that JBJ is ready, Fowler might be a good target although he will cost prospects.  A pitcher plus a blocked player such as Mookie Betts could be enough to get something like this done.
I've thought about that quite a bit as well but like most Rockies, have trouble getting past his home/road splits.
 

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QO:
Napoli, Ellsbury, Salty & Drew.
 
Signings:
Lester 4 -5yrs $19million/year
Napoli 2yrs $28million
Salty 3yrs $30-33million
Drew 2yrs - $25million
 
Ellsbury likely gone - 5yrs/$80million where I top out.
 
Resign Uehara & Breslow.
 
Let Hanrahan go.
 
Trade Dempster ... NL for young bullpen arms ... take on 1/2 salary.
 
Trade for Peter Bourjos - LAA - CF.
 
Sign Brian Roberts - 1yr $2.5million - for IF help. Sign Chris Perez - RP - 1-2yrs for $4million/year
 
Give Jackie Bradley another shot. Get Middlebrooks time at 1B.
 

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rodderick said:
Pedroia, Middlebrooks, and Xander could all add up to 3.8 WAR better than what their position accumulated this season, even though that's unlikely. The thing is, will Victorino and Nava/Gomes produce at the same level they did? They can feasibly make up for one of those guys having a letdown, but not all of them. 
 
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I think it's realistic to expect some regression from a number of spots in our lineup and we were really fortunate this year that we didn't lose key people for lengthy periods of time.  Will that luck continue?  I'm all for utilizing our payroll wisely and for developing home grown talent, but we aren't the Rays we don't have to let proven assets walk because we can't afford it.  We should have learned our lesson from Crawford and to a lesser extent Gonzales if you have someone who can perform in Boston you should keep him if possible.
 

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QO:
Napoli, Ellsbury, Salty & Drew.

Signings:
Lester 4 -5yrs $19million/year
Napoli 2yrs $28million
Salty 3yrs $30-33million
Drew 2yrs - $25million

Ellsbury likely gone - 5yrs/$80million where I top out.

Resign Uehara & Breslow.

Let Hanrahan go.

Trade Dempster ... NL for young bullpen arms ... take on 1/2 salary.

Trade for Peter Bourjos - LAA - CF.

Sign Brian Roberts - 1yr $2.5million - for IF help. Sign Chris Perez - RP - 1-2yrs for $4million/year

Give Jackie Bradley another shot. Get Middlebrooks time at 1B.


Uehara is already resigned.

Guys this is basic stuff. It's also the reason we frown on Shopping List posts. If you want to go that route, please do your homework.
 

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AlNipper49 said:
Uehara is already resigned.

Guys this is basic stuff. It's also the reason we frown on Shopping List posts. If you want to go that route, please do your homework.
I stand corrected ... blew it on Breslow (2 year deal) and Uehara vesting with games.
 

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I'd personally give QOs all the way around but I could see hesitancy to give one to Salty.  Giving it immediately would give him leverage in negotiating an extension since $14M is more than he's getting for AAV.  I'd be willing to give him 2/$20M or 3/$27M.  I'm pretty sure he can beat that on the market, but his sudden jump in BA during a career year doesn't instill me with confidence that 2013 Salty is the guy we'll get over the life of the deal.  If he leaves for a more lucrative deal despite having the QO hung on him I'd roll with a three way competition between Ross, Lavarnway, and Butler with Ross as he 25 man roster lock as the stabilizing veteran.  I'd still kick the tires on Yenier Bello just to make sure he isn't available for a steal though.
 
I'd offer Napoli a 2 year deal with $14M guaranteed and $14M in games played bonuses.  That's a pretty good situation for him I'd say, pads gives him security but security with the understanding that the Sox don't want to be on the hook for all $14M when his hip blows out.  If he wants more years that could also be arranged, as long as he's amenable to this configuration, i.e. a third year option that vests if he sees 500+ PAs in 2014 and 2015 each, that would pay a similar $7M +$7M maximum bonus based on games played.
 
Drew would only get the QO, I wouldn't offer anything beyond that because the team has no definite home for him beyond next season assuming that any of Cecchini, Middlebrooks, Coyle, or Betts are knocking on the door.  Everyone is worried about blocking Cecchini with Drew when in reality even if Cecchini scuffles you could still find yourself blocking a nice young prospect in 2015 if either of Betts or Coyle shows up in 2014 and rakes AA.  They're both 2B currently, but obviously that job is blocked and Betts in particular is supposed to have and arm that might play well at the corner.  The wealth of guys who can viably fill the long term role Drew would be signed for precludes even making a long term offer.  That said, if he accepts the QO then Bogaerts starts at 3B and Middlebrooks should start taking more reps at 1B, 2B, and personally I'd even have him start working in the corners.  He's supposed to be a great athlete and his arm would definitely work in a corner OF position.  It would also likely take some of the mental pressures away from him and let him focus more on his offense after a brief transition period.
 
I'm all for offering Ellsbury a competitive AAV.  Personally I think they should frame their negotiations around the deal given to JD Drew when talking with Ellsbury.  Drew, a young 31 when he signed, got 5 years at $70M from the Sox when he opted out of his deal with the Dodgers.  That is a deal where both Drew and the Red Sox did quite well for themselves.  Both Ellsbury and Drew are strong defenders.  Drew hit for more power and had better OBP skills while Ellsbury is a superior base stealer.  A 5/$85M deal would suggest about a 20% appreciation in ML player salaries, which sounds reasonable.  This also conforms with Hunter Pence's recent deal with San Francisco to avoid free agency of 5 years, $90M, given that Pence is a superior offensive player to Ellsbury with far less injury concerns.  Unfortunately I think Ellsbury is stepping into a hungry market where someone will make a bad deal to add a "difference maker" and Ellsbury is well positioned to be the benefactor of that.
 
If that doesn't happen and miraculously Ellsbury returns on a reasonable deal the Sox OF is set with Ells in CF, Victorino in RF, Gomes and Nava resuming their platoon, and allowing for Castellanos, Bradley, and Hassan to vie for the #5 job while the losers go to Pawtucket.
 
When he does sign elsewhere though CF becomes Bradley's job to lose and I'd forgo the veteran depth and instead just employ Castellanos as the 5th OF.  He's played some CF, can play multiple positions, and sounds like a solid enough RF to hold his own in Fenway's RF, allowing Victorino to be JBJ's backup/insurance policy while Castellanos is first up for ABs in either instance.  Hassan would be the fall back if Gomes and/or Nava turn into pumpkins.
 
Then shop some pitchers.  Dempster is the one I'd prefer to move, but a too good to refuse offer for Peavy isn't entirely unlikely and I wouldn't be surprised if Doubront gets some real heat, though I'd demand a high price for him as he's under control for four more seasons and high K/9 lefties are scarce.
 
Add some bullpen depth, still interested in grabbing Brian Wilson if he'll throw a bit of a New England discount the Sox way.  A potential second closer type like him, Crain, etc. is what I'd be thinking, pushing Breslow back to the lefty specialist role and taking nightly pressure off both Taz and Koji.
 
Other than that I'd be pretty happy with just lining it up and taking another shot at it.  This is a good team that won the series with their most talented pitcher missing the majority of the regular season and being a shell of himself in the playoffs.  The farm system's pitching crop was also about one year behind where the Cardinals' pitching depth was this year, so even significant injury won't see any Abe Alvarez types getting starts, more like Webster, RDLR, Barnes, Ranaudo, etc..  On top of that the positional player side has some nice depth too with Hassan, Butler, Vazquez, Cecchini, Brentz, Marrero, etc. all close to the majors as at a minimum solid depth additions.  This team doesn't need to deal prospects or get stupid with money to fill holes, instead just keep what you know works, let the farm solve your problems, and take another crack at it.
 
The title this year is such a massive "win" for this organization as it doesn't even put any onus on the FO to try and artificially extend this group's window.  The four QO contenders are the only FAs being lost, but that doesn't mean the rest of the roster is full of long term deals.  Ortiz, Lackey, Lester, Ross, Koji, and Gomes all come off the books after 2014 and Victorino is off after 2015.  They can legitimately line up almost the exact same roster for a repeat attempt without handing out bad deals in the process.  The 2-3 year deals from last season have them now in possession of the bridge those deals were meant to provide along with a title shot window for at least one more year.  It's an ideal time to just sit back, ride it out, collect some draft picks via the compensation system, and see where the farm and the roster is post-2014 before doing anything too dramatic.
 

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Drek717 said:
I'm all for offering Ellsbury a competitive AAV.  Personally I think they should frame their negotiations around the deal given to JD Drew when talking with Ellsbury.  Drew, a young 31 when he signed, got 5 years at $70M from the Sox when he opted out of his deal with the Dodgers.  That is a deal where both Drew and the Red Sox did quite well for themselves.  Both Ellsbury and Drew are strong defenders.  Drew hit for more power and had better OBP skills while Ellsbury is a superior base stealer.  A 5/$85M deal would suggest about a 20% appreciation in ML player salaries, which sounds reasonable.  This also conforms with Hunter Pence's recent deal with San Francisco to avoid free agency of 5 years, $90M, given that Pence is a superior offensive player to Ellsbury with far less injury concerns.  Unfortunately I think Ellsbury is stepping into a hungry market where someone will make a bad deal to add a "difference maker" and Ellsbury is well positioned to be the benefactor of that.
 
I think that's far from a given...a quick comparison from Fangraphs: http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=8252&position=OF&page=2&players=4727
 
Outside of Jacoby's injury plagued age 26 season I'd say it's no given that Pence is superior offensively.  Factor in that Pence isn't a good defender and there's a fairly easy case to be made that Jacoby's deal should exceed Pence's by quite a bit.
 

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What if the Sox believe that Lavarnway's bat plays well enough to put him at 1B next season?  Do they let Napoli go?  Napoli is certainly at risk for injury and decline no matter how much we love him for what he did this year.  Lavarnway's upside at 1B might be similar to where Napoli has been in recent year if the Sox give Lavarnway this chance.  This might become the plan if the Sox choose to re-sign Salty or go for McCann.  What about an all homegrown infield with Lavarnway at 1B if Middlebrooks and Bogaerts play 3B and SS.  This might  depend on how both L & M respond to remaining on the dugout bench for long and full stretches of the postseason this year.  Sentimentally, it will be nice if they retain some of their just minted fee agents.  However, the plan to transition to a younger lineup might remain on course.  Cherington is unafraid to unload bigger ticket contracts that aren't cost effective and finding suitable replacements externally (e.g. Gomes, Napoli, Ross, Drew, Victorino and Carp).  However, if he didn't blink when unloading Beckett, Crawford and A Gonz, he has the guts to jettison Napoli, Drew, Ellsbury and Salty if he believes he can sign more cost effective veterans.  What we don't know is how much chance he will give to rookies and unproven young major leaguers.  The emergence of Iglesias and Bogaerts this year suggests that he is willing to make these choices.  Working in JBJ, Lavarnway and a slew of ready to emerge upper level pitchers might be the most likely scenario. This strategy attains fan support reluctantly in most years.  In the aftermath of the 2013 good feelings resulting from the World Series win, next year might be one of the best chances for the planned but inevitable regular play for their best homegrown talent.
 

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Have a serious conversation about how much it would take to sign Xander Bogaerts for the next 15 years. (I don't think this goes anywhere, but I also don't see Boras letting him sign a deal that buys out a few arb years either. The 15 year deal concept might create some negotiating space, but the number would be pretty intimidating for a guy with his experience.)


Wait, what was that middle part?

15 years? That seems slightly optimistic.
 

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Simple, Cherington to continue to get the players he wants. At the time, signing Napoli was decent or even good after all the hip and get a cheaper deal and Uehara would make an outstanding bullpen even deeper or someone you could trade. There were concerns about how Dempster would do and if Drew could stay healthy and produce if he and congratulations to anybody who thought Victorino was even an okay signing. I understand that the idea of the thread is to name players I want them to acquire but the players they got last year wouldn't have been on my shopping list but hey they did alright.


I hope I come across as being a jerk or snotty and you guys have brought up names that should definitely be considered but in my case maybe my wish list isn't worth the paper it's written on.
 

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I think that's far from a given...a quick comparison from Fangraphs: http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=8252&position=OF&page=2&players=4727
 
Outside of Jacoby's injury plagued age 26 season I'd say it's no given that Pence is superior offensively.  Factor in that Pence isn't a good defender and there's a fairly easy case to be made that Jacoby's deal should exceed Pence's by quite a bit.
Hunter Pence has had a better OPS+ literally every season except 2007 when Ellsbury had a 131 OPS+ in 127 PAs while Pence had a 129 OPS+ with 484 PAs, and 2011 when Ellsbury had by far his best season with an OPS+ of 146 and Pence was close on his heels with an OPS+ of 139.
 
Ells has had four more or less healthy seasons out of seven.  He's been below 100 OPS+ twice and above it twice.  Pence has been healthy every season and has never posted an OPS+ below 100, his worst was a 103.  His career OPS+ is 120 to Ellsbury's 108, and while 2013 was the second best season Ellsbury has ever had it would only rank 5th for Pence.
 
Pence is a decidedly better hitter and the argument against him relies entirely on weak defense and a less significant base running edge than Ells has over most other players (Pence stole 22 bags on 25 attempts this season).  In a league where offense gets paid far more than defense it's pretty hard to argue that Pence would have been a less valuable player on the open market than Ellsbury.
 
I'm sure some team will end up paying for the 2011 Ellsbury.  They might even get him for one season.  But the real Jacoby Ellsbury is probably the 2013 version and while that's a damn good player that isn't a guy you break the bank on.  Hell, I'd even be wiling to see the Sox pay him more than Pence (I've said before that 5/$100M is a deal I would still find acceptable).  But he's not a 7 year, $140M+ player.  He doesn't have the health or the production when healthy to back it up.
 

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I think you QO Salty, Drew, Napoli, Ells
 
You keep tabs on Ells - If he prices himself out, kick the tires on Choo (Not as enraptured with Choo as some here - but would still keep an eye on him), Beltran, the Fowler situation (I do like Fowler as well).
 
You stay put on Salty beyond 2 years (w/ option for 3rd).  BUT don't be afraid of letting him walk. 
 
Depending on medical knowledge I do not have, I could cautiously sign Napoli for 2/26 (maybe a 3rd year option).
 
Honestly I might consider seeing what it would take to sign Drew.  If it was cost effective, I might consider shifting Xander to 3rd.
 
Consider moving Middlebrooks and possibly Buchholz (I'm wary he'll ever stay healthy - might as well see if you could get something big for him).
 
The interesting thing to me is that there is no one I'm all in for in FA.  Most of the people I'd be interested in are more flyers and keeping tabs on to see where they end up being priced at - Delmon Young, Dan Haren, Brian Wilson, etc.
 

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With the likes of Bogaerts, Bradley, Cecchini, Barnes, Ranaudo, Webster & De La Rosa the Sox need to add a few pieces as a bridge to these players. Keeping Napoli, Drew & Salty help to achieve that goal. Adding another solid arm in the pen and someone to replace Ellsbury for a couple of years may be all that is needed.
 

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As with Iglesias, some of these prospects are going to be trade fodder. Not all of these guys are going to be Red Sox. I just don't see Middlebrooks becoming an impact player, so I'd definitely hold on to 3B depth. I'd see what interest NL teams would have in Peavy and Dempster.
 

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Could we afford Napoli, Beltran and McCann?
 
I think it depends on what you mean by "afford".  I assume the Sox are flush with cash right now as there is likely a pretty big payoff from a long playoff run and a World Series championship.  Is the luxury tax limit a hard cap for the team?  
 
I think the FO and ownership is likely more concerned with limiting long term commitments than it is about annual payroll limitations.   
 

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Beltran is a perfect fit because JBJ can be used to keep him healthy with Shane going back and forth between CF and RF. 2/30.
McCann is the ideal long term replacement for Papi. Bridge to Vasquez/Swihart. 5/90.
Napoli back at 2/28.
Chavez to platoon with WMB.

Victorino
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Nava/Gomes
Chavez/WMB
 

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I'm sort of surprised top see so much negativity directed at WMB in this thread. People want to trade him or start him at AAA next season...
 
Sure, his plate discipline is crap. He's not one to take a walk... but he plays a weak offensive position that values defense, which he plays well. In the second half of last season he was a much better hitter. It seems premature to bury a guy because of a sophomore slump.
 

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I'm sort of surprised top see so much negativity directed at WMB in this thread. People want to trade him or start him at AAA next season...
 
Sure, his plate discipline is crap. He's not one to take a walk... but he plays a weak offensive position that values defense, which he plays well. In the second half of last season he was a much better hitter. It seems premature to bury a guy because of a sophomore slump.
You can understand where the negativity comes from though.  He had a horrid first half, has never shown strong OBP skills in an organization that preaches OBP, was clearly in Farrell's dog house at various points of the year, and then when he got a (very poorly timed) chance to play in the World Series promptly screwed up two big fielding plays in just a few innings.
 
Personally I don't think he's 100%.  Either his back is still bothering him, his eyesight needs to be checked, or something else is getting in the way of him playing up to his talent level.  If he and the Sox can fix whatever that is he'll be next year's John Lackey.  That said, a contingency plan needs to be made and you don't let him stop you from bringing Drew back if the later accepts the QO since then Middlebrooks can be your infield depth (by further developing him at 1B and 2B) and you can take some of the stress out of his role on the team.
 

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BosRedSox5 said:
I'm sort of surprised top see so much negativity directed at WMB in this thread. People want to trade him or start him at AAA next season...
 
Sure, his plate discipline is crap. He's not one to take a walk... but he plays a weak offensive position that values defense, which he plays well. In the second half of last season he was a much better hitter. It seems premature to bury a guy because of a sophomore slump.
 
We've seen a full year's worth of play from him, which has included both blazing hot streaks and horrible slumps. The sum total is that so far, he's a thoroughly ordinary player. Not bad, just ordinary. If Drew doesn't take the QO, he's our best option at third and we should just go with him and hope he takes a step forward. But if Drew does take the QO, then shopping him is certainly one of the options you look at. There are other options--make him a corner IF/OF bench player, platoon him with Carp at first if Napoli doesn't come back (though I think I'd rather see Hassan in that role), or even send him to AAA again (though there might be a logjam there with Cecchini before the year's over). But they should certainly float him on the trade market and see what he fetches.
 

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I'm sort of surprised top see so much negativity directed at WMB in this thread. People want to trade him or start him at AAA next season...
 
Sure, his plate discipline is crap. He's not one to take a walk... but he plays a weak offensive position that values defense, which he plays well. In the second half of last season he was a much better hitter. It seems premature to bury a guy because of a sophomore slump.
I like WMB, but I definitely think the Red Sox are better both offensively and defensively with a left side of X/Drew vs. WMB/X. That being the case I'd explore the trade market for WMB and hope there's a GM out there who loves his power and is willing to offer value for him, and if there is I trade him and re-sign Drew. I like the Dexter Fowler idea, Colorado has a young 3B (Arenado) but I don't know what their plans are re: replacing Helton. 
 

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I like WMB, but I definitely think the Red Sox are better both offensively and defensively with a left side of X/Drew vs. WMB/X. That being the case I'd explore the trade market for WMB and hope there's a GM out there who loves his power and is willing to offer value for him, and if there is I trade him and re-sign Drew. I like the Dexter Fowler idea, Colorado has a young 3B (Arenado) but I don't know what their plans are re: replacing Helton. 
Trading WMB at this point would be taking pennies on the dollar and that isn't even a slight exaggeration.  His value is massively lower than it's ever been.  I'd argue that even with Drew back WMB represents more value as the backup MI, continuing his work at 1B and 2B, than he would in a trade, and in that case should his offense re-emerge the Sox would then be able to move him or Drew for much more meaningful value.
 
Otherwise if we keep Drew and trade WMB we can have Brock Holt as the MI with Marrero as the closest worthwhile in-house option.  Not real pretty if Drew, Pedroia, or Napoli (all with their own previous histories of getting banged up) miss time.
 

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What they will do is somewhere between going whole-hog with the young guys and grabbing a whole bunch of veteran free agents. I'm not sure which domino falls first, but once they are set at one of the question-mark positions, they'll make other decisions accordingly. So, for instance, if they decide to commit to Bradley in center, they will try to shore up the offense somewhere else -- make sure they keep Drew and sign McCann, let's say. If they go out and pay money for Beltran, they may stick with Saltalamacchia and Middlebrooks/Bogaerts.
 
Two things make the scenario hard to predict. One is Ellsbury, whose agent is notorious for not being in a hurry. The main reason I'm skeptical that he will return is that the Red Sox will want to decide on a direction before Boras is finished with his machinations. The other is the qualifying offer business, which makes them commit for a year to someone (or not commit) before they really know how they want to play their hand. I still expect them to extend QO's to all four players, but doing so will limit their flexibility.
 

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My number 1 wish is for the Sox not to trade the farm for a guy like Stanton.  He’s a free agent in 2 seasons, why give up top tier talent (which only happens with X) for a guy you can sign for a draft pick and money in a few years?  Let someone else overpay for him now so we can see what he does with a real lineup around him and see if he can stay healthy.  If in the next two years he plays like the guy we all want him to be then he will be exactly the kind of guy I'm willing to take a chance on a big fat mega deal with (free agent after age 25 season).
 
For QOs, offer them to everybody.  I seriously doubt that any of them will take them, but would be happy with any one of them doing so.  Short term contracts are what got them here and it’s what will keep them competitive in the future.  Try and keep any contracts for those guys at 2 years or less.
 
I think we all wish to see Xander play every day next year.  I hope to see them stick with Middlebrooks and give him a chance to keep developing.  Most guys take a while to make those final developmental adjustments, hell look at Chris Davis or even Cano’s first several hundred PAs.
 
I hope they’re willing to listen on Lackey, Gomes, Victorino, Dempster, Carp, and Peavy.  Value’s pretty much max on all of them, except maybe Peavy, and none of them are major long term pieces.  Don’t give them away, they are useful for winning right now, but if there’s a good deal to be made you make it.
 
I get the appeal of McCann if Salty leaves, but I’m hesitant to commit to what will probably be at least a 4 year deal.  Especially if the Yankees (and Dodgers?) get involved and they have a huge hole at C.
 
As others have mentioned, Choo is basically Nava 2.0 and will cost too much.
Obviously we won’t be in on Cano either.
If Napoli walks, maybe the Sox sign Youk to play 1B?  He could potentially be healthy now that he finally had that back surgery he’s needed since 2011 and won’t need a long deal.
I could buy into Eric Chavez as a backup 3B/1B guy.
I’m not so sure about relief arms, but get some.  Bailey over Hanrahan for sure.
I could get into Beltran on a 2 year deal.  The draft pick is what, a 30th first rounder?  Whatever.  But he doesn’t play RF at Fenway, he plays LF.
 
Sign Ellsbury if you can get him for 6/120 or less.  I doubt it’ll get it done, but the Sox should be in the position of keeping good players and not letting them go. 
 
Victorino is unlikely to be as productive next year as he was this year.  His fielding isn’t going to get better and he’s probably not going to get healthier either.  JBJ will get opportunities whether they sign Ellsbury or not.
 
Extend Lester if he’s amenable to a team friendly deal.  If not wait and see what he does next season.
 
Make sure Doubront is in better shape coming into spring training.
 
I don’t think they need to trade a starting pitcher because depth is obviously good to have there.  I know it’s weird to have Dempster’s salary in the bullpen, but he’s done it before, seems to have a “what’s best for the team” approach, and is only signed for one more year.  He’d likely end up starting a lot of games anyway thanks to injuries and extra rest days for guys.
 
If they do trade a pitcher I’m happy to see Workman be the next guy to get a shot.  Who comes after him though will be entirely dependent on how Barnes, Ranaudo, RDLR, Webster and Owens do earlier in the season next year (and who’s healthy).  I expect it’ll be the first two who get the first chances to start and maybe Owens late in the season, but it’s really going to depend on health.
 
Basically I hope they keep away from long term deals (more leeway for Ells) and start to seriously break in Xander, young pitching, and see what you really have in the upper farm.
 

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Choo is not Nava 2.0.

I get that people want the draw the "eh" defender and plus OBP skills comparison, but Choo is still demonstratively better than Nava at the dish. It's not even really that close.

I am perfectly fine with people making the argument that the money used in upgrading from Nava to Choo at the marginal level is better used elsewhere. But that's the argument, not that Choo is some slightly souped of version of Nava therefore he's not worth looking into.
 

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I'm a little nervous in starting Bradley, xander and wmb. Esp with nava and Gomes not exactly a sure sure thing in left.

When I examine why I'm nervous it's about having too many people needing to adjust at once. Xander has to start but if drew were to accept the qualified offer then it's likely at third which doesn't bode well for wmb.
Bradley starting imo is just about if ellsbury stays. I can't imagine a better way to replace him.

So if you assume ellsbury goes and drew too you are going to have cheap players planned for CF, ss, 3b and LF. Plus a lot of pitching.
I would love to see an upgrade to LF or 3b in that scenario. LF only if you can get a stud, but a beltran or a trade for a Stanton type is a move you can make with that much youth and cost saving coming.

My preferred scenario is to see drew decline the offer, for the pick, and xander be given the keys. Package wmb and pitching and see if you can get a really solid 3b.
If not you try wmb and hope either he comes through or cecchini follows up this season with another and forces himself into the equation.

If ellsbury is resigned you have the option of a wmb and JBJ plus pitching package to upgrade a spot. That spot can only really be LF 3b or 1b if Napoli leaves.
 

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From the tone of the interview on ESPN.com the other day Salty did not sound optimistic. If he was already in extension talks, he might have mentioned it.

Of the 4 FA's, I would like to see Napoli retained.

As for FA signings, McCann should be a priority. Ortiz may go after next year, and a good MOO bat will be a priority. McCann can fill the lead catcher position for two years, then transition to DH, pt catcher.

While this is difficult to offer in the afterglow of a WS title, Ben might shop many of the short term vets on the roster. Victorino, Gomes, Ross, Peavy, Dempster and Lackey will all have appeal to next year's contenders. Some holes might (will) open on the 14 team, but I am looking further into the future for the next great Sox team. If they could obtain some upper level prospects or young MLB position players to add to the treasure trove, while retaining several of the starting pitchers ( not going to trade all three), they would still remain competitive for a playoff spot next year.

It needs to be about the future now. They grabbed a title; now set up for a 5-6 year run of excellence.


There is no possible way they will let Ortiz walk. None. You don't let the best dh walk of an already incredibly short list of dh`s.
 

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I would like to see the Sox pursue a trade with San Diego involving Middlebrooks + Dempster for Chase Headley. Its great timing as Headley gives us a switch hitting 3rd baseman (who would flourish in a smaller park) until Cecchini is ready, and then slides over to 1B.
 On a separate note, I cannot imagine a single MLB player who would not want to be on this team next year and be part of the camaraderie, first class organization, playing in a historic ball park in front of a connected fan base with an excellent chance to repeat.
 

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Extending on my previous post; the Sox are in pretty good shape, with only a few holes: 1B, C, CF, SS/3B, RP.
 
First base is the easiest position for the Sox to deal with, because they have palatable internal options.
The best option is Napoli, preferably on a qualifying offer or perhaps a two-year deal.
Their contingency option should be some platoon with either Nava and Carp, plus Hassan on the weak side. Downgrades the defense but should work offensively.
 
Catcher is tougher, for myriad reasons. I think Saltalamacchia is underrated around these parts, although my desire to retain him declined with his postseason play.
Still, the best option is Saltalamacchia, and he should be a prime focus for the Red Sox, and will cost more money than many will be comfortable with.
The reason for this is that contingency options are messier. I suggested trading for Miguel Montero if he becomes available, and he might, given how badly he played this year. His contract still contains about $50 million in unpaid obligations over the next four years. Another contingency is to take fliers on injury risks like Geovanny Soto. I don't think the Sox are comfortably with Lavarnway/Ross going into the season, and I'm not either. Brian McCann, given the market, is probably a pipe dream. Devil you know, and all that.
 
Center field may seem like a luxury, but Jackie Bradley didn't instill much confidence with his bat this season.
The best option is to retain Ellsbury, but he will get an expensive contract (I'm pegging him for Josh Hamilton's money, with an extra year). I don't think the Sox can expose themselves to that kind of risk.
The contingency plan for me is to sign a capable backup who can cover centerfield in a pinch. Someone like Rajai Davis or Franklin Gutierrez. I like Gutierrez far more in terms of pure talent, but he doesn't seem like a player that can be counted on to remain healthy for long.
 
The left side of the infield is where the Red Sox can get creative, because they technically have starters penciled in for next season.
I would like to see them retain Drew, if no one beats the Sox on a one or two year contract, but I don't see that happening.
Contingencies here are plenty. I like the idea of Middlebrooks spltting a platoon with Eric Chavez (who can cover first on some days if the Sox don't re-sign Napoli and their internal options flame out there). But even in that scenario, they would still need a player who can cover shortstop. Boy, the best backup SS/3B available might be Nick Punto, who is not coming back. I'll go with Clint Barmes as my scrubtastic Punto alternative, but there are plenty of options at that talent level.
 
Relief pitching is pretty straightforward. Don't overpay for anyone. Get a lefty without reverse splits.
As for lefties, Manny Parra is pretty much a straight up lefty-only guy. Someone like J.P. Howell, or old man Scott Downs might even do in a pinch. They'll get someone.
As for righties, Bailey can come back if he's cheap. Otherwise, how about another guy with good strikeout rates? Plenty out there.
 

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I would offer QOs to all four of the free agents. If any of them pick up the offer great, otherwise I'd be willing to let them all walk.
I know there are reports that Napoli will be looking - and possibly receiving- some multi-year deals but I don't really understand this. His value was repressed last year because of his hip condition, which - as far as I understand it - hasn't improved, and could still end his career at any moment. Considering this I don't see why the Sox or anyone else would go longer than one year, and the QO prices feels about right. If another team wants to go crazy, great - I'd happily take the pick.
There also seems some vague possibility that the QO will repress Salty's value to the point where he ends up taking it -which would be great. But again, if another team wants to offer more I'd happily take the pick.
I would actually offer Ellsbury Pence money, but nothing higher, and I don't think there is any way he accepts this. Drew would get no offer beyond the QO - and I expect that means he is certain to walk.
 
Assuming all the Sox's free agents leave I would do the following:
 
*For catcher, I would focus on signing Carlos Ruiz to a short-term deal. Ruiz's 2013 was marred by a banned stimulant suspension and injuries, but he was healthy at the end of year and actually a better offensive player than either Salty or McCann in 2012 (when he put up a .934 OPS).
*I would sign Eric Chavez as Middlebrooks insurance. He would get some (switching to all if he struggles) of Middlebrooks ABs against RHP.
*I would sign Rajai Davis (3-year OPS vs LHP of .818) to provide a platoon partner/ insurance to JB in CF and continue with the Gomes/Nava platoon in LF.
*I would trade Dempster for prospects and/or relief arms and sign Crain and a LOOGY for the pen.
*I would give Carp a chance at 1b.
*I would sink or swim with XB at SS.
 
It would be the low-cost, deep depth strategy renewed for another year - this time with an increased emphasis on youth..
 

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I guess I'm just the only one who sees offering Drew a QO as a big mistake. I mean, what will it cost? ~13 or 14 million? Who in the world would sign him for more than that per season on a multiyear contract when they'd be forced to fork over a draft pick? I see that as almost a sure thing when it comes to Drew returning, and I don't think he's worth 13 mil, especially when we've got WMB, who, as other posters have said, probably isn't 100% and was strong in the second half. 
 
WMB is young, and cheap and fairly productive. I'd definitely ride it out with him until Cecchini is ready, and if Cecchini takes his job in a year or two, then so be it.
 
What confuses me is the people who say he's not a productive hitter, but would send him to AAA to learn to play 1B. Either he hits well enough for 1B or he doesn't, you can't have it both ways. He's been a pretty mediocre hitter so far with some power and some on base issues, but it's important to remember that he's 25 with around 600 at bats on his resume. A backup plan to WMB should definitely not cost over 13 million dollars. 
 

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BosRedSox5 said:
I guess I'm just the only one who sees offering Drew a QO as a big mistake. I mean, what will it cost? ~13 or 14 million? Who in the world would sign him for more than that per season on a multiyear contract when they'd be forced to fork over a draft pick? I see that as almost a sure thing when it comes to Drew returning, and I don't think he's worth 13 mil, especially when we've got WMB, who, as other posters have said, probably isn't 100% and was strong in the second half. 
 
 
Drew had a fWAR of 3.4 and a rWAR of 3.1 this year.  That's conservatively worth $14-15M.  There are plenty of teams that would take him on a 1/13-14 deal for similar production, so if he accepts a QO, the Sox would surely find takers were they to want to trade him.
 
And teams aren't beholden to sign Drew to a multi-year deal with a higher AAV than the QO, either.  A 3-4 year deal for a lower or equivalent AAV would be worth giving up the pick, especially if it's a team with a protected pick (Mets?) or a team that has already signed a bigger ticket FA and given up their first round pick (a la Cleveland last year with Bourne).
 

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I would like to see the Sox pursue a trade with San Diego involving Middlebrooks + Dempster for Chase Headley. Its great timing as Headley gives us a switch hitting 3rd baseman (who would flourish in a smaller park) until Cecchini is ready, and then slides over to 1B.
 On a separate note, I cannot imagine a single MLB player who would not want to be on this team next year and be part of the camaraderie, first class organization, playing in a historic ball park in front of a connected fan base with an excellent chance to repeat.
 
That seems like wishcasting to me.  If I'm San Diego why do I want your overpriced pitcher and unreliable 3B?  Headley would cost multiple prospects and they have no reason to take on Dempster unless we're paying his salary to clear a spot in the rotation.
 

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Red(s)HawksFan said:
 
And teams aren't beholden to sign Drew to a multi-year deal with a higher AAV than the QO, either.  A 3-4 year deal for a lower or equivalent AAV would be worth giving up the pick, especially if it's a team with a protected pick (Mets?) or a team that has already signed a bigger ticket FA and given up their first round pick (a la Cleveland last year with Bourne).
 
Drew to the Mets seem like a no-brainer for all parties. They're not happy with Tejada and AFAIK they have nobody else knocking at the door. I think it's a safe bet that if we offer Drew the QO and he refuses, he'll be signed to the Mets for something like 3/35 in a heartbeat.
 

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Red(s)HawksFan said:
 
Drew had a fWAR of 3.4 and a rWAR of 3.1 this year.  That's conservatively worth $14-15M.  There are plenty of teams that would take him on a 1/13-14 deal for similar production, so if he accepts a QO, the Sox would surely find takers were they to want to trade him.
 
And teams aren't beholden to sign Drew to a multi-year deal with a higher AAV than the QO, either.  A 3-4 year deal for a lower or equivalent AAV would be worth giving up the pick, especially if it's a team with a protected pick (Mets?) or a team that has already signed a bigger ticket FA and given up their first round pick (a la Cleveland last year with Bourne).
The Sox QO/non QO to Drew is as much about Xander, and his development, as it is about Drew.  If the Sox believe that Xander will stay as a shortstop, then they will not have a problem offering Drew a QO, but not a multiyear deal. There will be enough time at SS for Xander next year even if Drew accepts. If the sox believe that Xander will better project as a 3rd baseman, then they will not only QO Drew but offer a multi year deal as well.