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Rudy Pemberton said:
At this point, I think people are just getting a little nervous about a lineup with three relatively inexperienced starters in Middlebrooks, Bradley, and Bogaerts. I think that's normal; but acquiring players who are clearly better will be expensive and potentially blocks the kids. I think you want to acquire the best depth you can (and it likely won't be for a month or so to get those kinds of players) but if you think the players are ready, you have to give them the opportunity.
The year after winning a championship is the ideal time to be breaking in young players in this market. ll that is required is a commitment to patience on the part of the GM and the field manager. This doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see them sign Rajai Davis. I think you could get him significant playing time platooning in center against tough lefties covering for Victorino when he is banged up (he shouldn't be playing hurt as much as he did last year)  plus you could use him in an all good defender outfield in larger parks.
 

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My wish list:
 
- Trade Dempster for a prospect and/or utility infielder 
- Sign Rajai Davis to a 2 year/$7 million deal 
- Sign Grady Sizemore to an MiL deal
 
That's it.
 
1) Drew: I loved Stephen Drew in 2013, but in 2014 (and beyond) Middlebrooks is our 3B (32 HR in his first 169 games) and Xander is our SS, with Cecchini banging on the door.  We need a utility infielder, not another infield starter.
 
2) Dempster: I think Lester/Buchholz/Lackey/Peavy/Doubront is a very stable and capable rotation.  And in the event of the certain injuries during the course of the season, it makes much more sense to give the kids (Webster/Ranaudo/de la Rosa/Wright/etc.) a look instead of having Dempster eat those innings.
 
3) Davis: I'm on board with starting JBJ, but I think we need a legitimate insurance plan, and with Ellsbury gone we could use a speedster as the 4th OF, especially when people like Vic Torino will need some days off throughout the season.  Sizemore's a huge longshot, but we're in a good enough position to afford a few longshots.
So who goes ? Carp , Nava or Gomes?
 

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Let's be clear, I'm just tossing the Prado scenario out there as a counter idea to that of the Sox being able to swap Peavsters' contract for one of the two D' Back prospects to save 13-14.5M in the coming season. I don't see anyone swapping good prospects AND picking up the tab.  I'm saying if you eye Arizona as a trade partner you may as well kick the tires on Prado. Utility guy YES, but that doesn't mean bench player. I see him starting most games either in LF or 3rd base. Perhaps an occasional start at 2nd or late inning replacement for Pedroia to get him a breather in games that are out of hand. This likely would have a few other moving pieces as well. I have no idea that either team might entertain the idea, but with many here wanting to see X split time at SS and 3B, with others looking to bring back Drew and others still looking for another outfielder I'm just presenting Prado as I guy that could address several of those concerns at a reasonable price for the next 3 seasons. He's insurance for at least 3 positions and I wouldn't be opposed to a deal including Lackey either, but I think Lackey's resurgence, his desirable 2015 option and another piece or two could provide a bigger return.
 

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The problem with Prado (other than his contract and the fact that he wouldn't be cheap to acquire) is that he isn't a SS or a CF. He's only played 16 games (108 innings) at SS in his career. He's played 0 games in center and 1 in RF in his whole career. 
 
The positions where we need more depth are SS and CF (and possibly 3B, but if you get solid SS depth, then Bogaerts could cover third.) Prado would offer depth at 2B (which we hopefully wouldn't need) LF (which we don't need) 1B (which we don't need) and 3B (which we would need only if we don't get a competent backup SS.)
 
Add that to his 3-year, $33 million contract and the fact that the D-backs wouldn't just give him away, and I don't see any reason why we'd be interested in him.
 
We need to be looking for some options for depth at SS and CF IMO. And SS first and foremost, as Victorino can cover CF if we need him to, which hopefully we won't.
 

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The Gray Eagle said:
The problem with Prado (other than his contract and the fact that he wouldn't be cheap to acquire) is that he isn't a SS or a CF. He's only played 16 games (108 innings) at SS in his career. He's played 0 games in center and 1 in RF in his whole career. 
 
The positions where we need more depth are SS and CF (and possibly 3B, but if you get solid SS depth, then Bogaerts could cover third.) Prado would offer depth at 2B (which we hopefully wouldn't need) LF (which we don't need) 1B (which we don't need) and 3B (which we would need only if we don't get a competent backup SS.)
 
Add that to his 3-year, $33 million contract and the fact that the D-backs wouldn't just give him away, and I don't see any reason why we'd be interested in him.
 
We need to be looking for some options for depth at SS and CF IMO. And SS first and foremost, as Victorino can cover CF if we need him to, which hopefully we won't.
 
Not to disagree, but with or without Prado you're STILL going to need that depth. I'm just offering an idea that would address the concerns that some have at 3b and the need that some see for another outfielder. Victorino covers CF if needed. In that case Nava slides into RF short term.
 

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For those of you advocating Dempster for Prado, you know the Diamondbacks traded Justin Upton for Prado just a year ago, and then immediately signed him to a four year contract, right?
 
Not to mention they have a starting five of Corbin, McCarthy, Wiley, Cahill, Delgado, with Skaggs and Bradley knocking on the door.
 
What makes you think they would want to trade Prado for Dempster?
 

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For those of you advocating Dempster for Prado, you know the Diamondbacks traded Justin Upton for Prado just a year ago, and then immediately signed him to a four year contract, right?
 
Not to mention they have a starting five of Corbin, McCarthy, Wiley, Cahill, Delgado, with Skaggs and Bradley knocking on the door.
 
What makes you think they would want to trade Prado for Dempster?
They wouldn't.

Towers has targeted an "ace", and is allegedly offering prospects for Price or Samardjzia. If that doesn't work, then perhaps he steps down to the Peavy/Lackey territory. And the Red Sox can begin the conversation with Prado+. AZ has Davidson on the verge of MLB readiness at 3rd, and four OF's, Ross, Eaton, Parra, and Pollock (good target for Red Sox,RH CF/RF, replaces Victorino eventually).

LAD and MIA have indicated interest in WMB. He could be packaged for a young OF with options (Ozuna,maybe Marisnick).
 

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Comeback Kid said:
For those of you advocating Dempster for Prado, you know the Diamondbacks traded Justin Upton for Prado just a year ago, and then immediately signed him to a four year contract, right?
 
Not to mention they have a starting five of Corbin, McCarthy, Wiley, Cahill, Delgado, with Skaggs and Bradley knocking on the door.
 
What makes you think they would want to trade Prado for Dempster?
 
Nothing, which is why I wrote, "I have a hard time envisioning a deal getting done."
 
That said, the Diamondbacks probably made a mistake with that extension.
 

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BCsMightyJoeYoung said:
So who goes ? Carp , Nava or Gomes?
Carp probably should go if you bring in Rajai Davis.  And I love Carp.  But think Davis rounds out the 25 man roster better as a RHH compliment to JBJ, and a late inning PR.  With Napoli being re-signed and Nava capable of backing him up, I think Carp is a bit redundant.
 
I'm guessing Carp could land us some left side of the INF talent to back up WMB and X.  
 

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Carp probably should go if you bring in Rajai Davis.  And I love Carp.  But think Davis rounds out the 25 man roster better as a RHH compliment to JBJ, and a late inning PR.  With Napoli being re-signed and Nava capable of backing him up, I think Carp is a bit redundant.
 
I'm guessing Carp could land us some left side of the INF talent to back up WMB and X.  
If not for the fact that neither team wants to help each other some type of swap of Carp for Sean Rodriguez  (and perhaps a prospect) would be a good trade for both teams.
 

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I despise Sean Rodriguez. Jamey Carroll is also really annoying when he plays us. How would he fit as a UINF ? 
 

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I despise Sean Rodriguez. Jamey Carroll is also really annoying when he plays us. How would he fit as a UINF ? 
Rodriguez is probably the most defensively flexible utility player in all of baseball. In 2013 he made multiple starts at 1b, 2b, SS, 3b, LF and RF. He has also played CF in previous years.
As a hitter he is also a solid bat against LHP - making him a viable candidate to platoon (probably in RF with Victorino sliding over to CF) with JBJ.
 

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One possibility for a RHH utiility outfielder could be Justin Ruggiano of the Marlins. He went bone dry at the end of the season, but he's still an okay hitter and can play all three outfield positions reasonably well. He's currently a backup for them, and I'm not even sure he makes their roster out of spring training. Might not cost much to acquire. One thing he lacks, however, is speed. He won't be very useful as a pinch runner.
 

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Where's Brad Emaus when you need him?

Jayson Nix is a pretty excellent fit for UIF, but he might still be able to sign somewhere to compete for a starting job.

If not him, Ramon Santiago can play short, second, and third well, and isn't terrible with the bat. Paul Janish can too, but kind of is.
 

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I admittedly have only read bits and pieces of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but is there any interest from the Red Sox end on Brett Anderson? I feel like he is the kind of pitcher we have taken a chance on in the past.
 

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Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sport is reporting that the Nationals are shopping Danny Espinosa, who had a terrible 2013 after a very good (3.4 WAR) 2012. Espinosa strikes out a ton, but he's got some power and he's a good fielder at both SS and 2B. Assuming XB is the starter at short, Espinosa would be a great backup middle infielder.
 

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Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sport is reporting that the Nationals are shopping Danny Espinosa, who had a terrible 2013 after a very good (3.4 WAR) 2012. Espinosa strikes out a ton, but he's got some power and he's a good fielder at both SS and 2B. Assuming XB is the starter at short, Espinosa would be a great backup middle infielder.
 
He has speed to go with his power and defense.  Better yet, he is a switch hitter who would give them great depth and lineup flexibility.  He is a logical acquisition.  If other teams want him as a regular, the Sox won't sacrifice the talent to get him that others might.  However, if he is only seen as a UIF in trade negotiations, he would be a good target.  He has poor plate discipline but, apart from that, he is better offensively than your typical UIF.  He is a great buy low target if everyone views him as a reserve and not a starter after his poor year that exiled him to AAA with the disappointing Nationals.  The Nationals need reserve catching, so Lavarnway, who also might benefit from a scenery change, and maybe other considerations could get this done.
 

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The Boomer said:
 
He has speed to go with his power and defense.  Better yet, he is a switch hitter who would give them great depth and lineup flexibility.  He is a logical acquisition.  If other teams want him as a regular, the Sox won't sacrifice the talent to get him that others might.  However, if he is only seen as a UIF in trade negotiations, he would be a good target.  He has poor plate discipline but, apart from that, he is better offensively than your typical UIF.  He is a great buy low target if everyone views him as a reserve and not a starter after his poor year that exiled him to AAA with the disappointing Nationals.  The Nationals need reserve catching, so Lavarnway, who also might benefit from a scenery change, and maybe other considerations could get this done.
 
I'd be all over him.  Good defense and some flexibility, to go along with historically above average power numbers for a middle infielder. Last year was awful, but he seems like a nice buy low opportunity.  Washington could also use relief pitching, particularly LH.  Perhaps someone like Morales would fit the bill.
 

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Not sure I get this from Washington's point of view, especially since they already dealt off Lombardozzi. Rendon is going to have to move back to third sooner than later to allow Zimmerman to move to first. 
 

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I'd be all over him.  Good defense and some flexibility, to go along with historically above average power numbers for a middle infielder. Last year was awful, but he seems like a nice buy low opportunity.  Washington could also use relief pitching, particularly LH.  Perhaps someone like Morales would fit the bill.
 
Hype or reality?
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/12/09/mike-rizzo-expects-danny-espinosa-to-be-the-nationals-backup-infielder/
 

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I like Tejada as a buy low candidate but I don't really see the fit with Murphy, he can't field at all. 
 
Another buy low candidate I'd like them to look in to (and I'm talking purely speculatively) is Drew Pomeranz. 
 
He was god awful for the Rockies, hence the buy low part, BUT had a 10 K/9 in AAA while managing a decent (not great) BB/9. 
 
He's still pretty young (25) and his AAA stats from last year seem to indicate that pitching in Coors hasn't completely broken him yet. If you can get him with a UI (DJ LeMahieu or Josh Rutledge maybe) for a subsidized Peavy, I wouldn't balk at that. 
 
EDIT: 2013 was just a weird year for him. Going back to 2012, his H/R splits were actually fairly even in terms of pitching like crap. He did have a better K/9 & BB/9 away from home but his FIP was nearly identical. Looking deeper into his stats, his future actually might be remarkably similar to Franklin Morales. I still stand by assessment of Pomeranz as a decent buy low candidate, as his floor is an excellent LOOGY but I don't expect the Sox to do much more than check in on him. 
 

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Masterson, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels 
 
All guys I could conceivably see prospects outside of X and JBJ traded for. 
 

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Pete Abe has repeatedly mentioned that he thinks Justin Turner could be a fit:  http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turneju01.shtml
 
It's always nice to have a token ginger on the squad (Bobby Kielty says hello) ... but that said, have to wonder about a guy who couldn't stick with the Mets.
 
Turner is intriguing as a utility infielder type who stands a chance at putting up a .650 - .675 OPS, which would be nice (and better than many of the other 2B/SS types).
 
The one question is his ability at SS, where he has fairly limited experience at both the major league and minor league level.  Since Bogaerts can back up 3B, depth at SS seems to be the first priority (and 2B closely behind).
 
I still think, given the current composition of the starters (WMB, X, and Pedroia), that Ben may be angling for a little bit more in a utility infielder this year.
 

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Has the UI ship sailed completely on John McDonald? He really can't hit worth a damn (esp vs. RHPs), but there are few better fielders around even at 39.  I suspect they could do better. But I am pretty certain they could do worse.
 

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jimbobim said:
Masterson, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels 
 
All guys I could conceivably see prospects outside of X and JBJ traded for. 
If Masterson were a free agent he would  be  equivalent to Tanaka in appeal. Definitely above Garza Santana and Jimenez. I would go hard after him if I were Ben. Ground ball pitchers with SO stuff are a very valuable commodity in the AL east with all the cozy dimensions.
 

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If we're talking about a cheaper, short-term option to Drew while saving money by scuttling Dempster, a Dempster for Cliff Pennington trade would save $10MM and allow the Sox to pursue a better free agent than Drew or squirrel money away for the deadline. Of course, it places WMB and X in the starters role without a safety net. Pennington is strictly a utility player, at this point, but has shown he can play 2B/SS/3B above average.
 

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If the Indians wanted to chat about Cabrera included in the deal maybe I'd include more pitching the other way. Do you want to pay 10-12 mill for Drew or a higher grade prospect. 
 

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Has the UI ship sailed completely on John McDonald? He really can't hit worth a damn (esp vs. RHPs), but there are few better fielders around even at 39.  I suspect they could do better. But I am pretty certain they could do worse.
 
I don't know -- he would get a vet minimum contract, which is a fair amount to pay a guy who had a 6 OPS+ last year (though only about 70-80 ABs).  I kind of like the story of McDonald coming home, spelling Dustin Pedrioa down the stretch, and riding off into the sunset with his championship ring.  I'm not sure I see him as a full year option over Brock Holt.
 
There really aren't a whole lot of guys left, I don't think.  Lots of guys seemed to go pretty quickly this offseason.  I was sort of thinking maybe Furcal might be available, but the Marlins signed him to be a starter for $3 million.  Yankees locked up Ryan quickly.  Punto signed a month ago.  If they aren't still in the market for Drew, I think there may not be many seats left when the music stops.  Royals, somewhat surprisingly, non-tendered Chris Getz.  I don't know if he can play any position other than 2B, but it might be worth taking a look.
 
Edit:  Have the Orioles indicated their intentions with Brian Roberts?  Would he take a utility spot, I wonder.
 

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jimbobim said:
If the Indians wanted to chat about Cabrera included in the deal maybe I'd include more pitching the other way. Do you want to pay 10-12 mill for Drew or a higher grade prospect. 
I wouldn't go for Cabrera, Drew would probably  cost about the same in a 3 year deal 3/30. I would start the package with WMB. Chisenhall has been a bit of a disappoinment.
 

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jimbobim said:
Masterson, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels 
 
All guys I could conceivably see prospects outside of X and JBJ traded for. 
I don't think they go after any of these guys(especially Lee and Hamels).  Philadelphia doesn't want to eat any money so you'd be paying in both prospects and the full freight of the contracts.  Masterson is an interesting case, but I don't think Cleveland would trade him without getting top-flight prospects back and I'm not willing to give them up for Justin.
 

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Just throwing it out there but any thoughts of Youk coming back as a back up at 3rd/bat coming off back surgery the money would be reasonable
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
 
I don't know -- he would get a vet minimum contract, which is a fair amount to pay a guy who had a 6 OPS+ last year (though only about 70-80 ABs).  I kind of like the story of McDonald coming home, spelling Dustin Pedrioa down the stretch, and riding off into the sunset with his championship ring.  I'm not sure I see him as a full year option over Brock Holt.
 
There really aren't a whole lot of guys left, I don't think.  Lots of guys seemed to go pretty quickly this offseason.  I was sort of thinking maybe Furcal might be available, but the Marlins signed him to be a starter for $3 million.  Yankees locked up Ryan quickly.  Punto signed a month ago.  If they aren't still in the market for Drew, I think there may not be many seats left when the music stops.  Royals, somewhat surprisingly, non-tendered Chris Getz.  I don't know if he can play any position other than 2B, but it might be worth taking a look.
 
Edit:  Have the Orioles indicated their intentions with Brian Roberts?  Would he take a utility spot, I wonder.
 
Roberts hasn't played a position other than 2B in ten years, and because of his resume he would probably cost more than he'd earn in that role. I think all in all I'd prefer Holt.
 

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Doctor G said:
I wouldn't go for Cabrera, Drew would probably  cost about the same in a 3 year deal 3/30. I would start the package with WMB. Chisenhall has been a bit of a disappoinment.
 
I started a post along these lines but deleted it.  Then I saw this and figured, what the hell.  I think a package of WMB and a couple of pitchers for Masterson might make some sense.  Indians get a 3b prospect with more upside, and two good future pitchers (they hope).
 
Sox get another top shelf, young SP, and they just go Drew/Bogaerts on the left side, with Cecchini in the wings for the eventual Bogaerts/Cecchini left side.  Masterson is a FA in 2015 so the Sox would have to fork over some money for him, but I love the prospect of Lester/Masterson/Buchholz/Lackey/Doubront, with Peavy and Dempster moved for prospects to replace the ones they just gave up (though they'd be of lesser quality).
 
EDIT:  But the more I think of it, I'm pretty happy with the Sox as currently constructed.  Very good rotation, quality (and improved) bullpen, Napoli back, JBJ taking over in CF, Bogaerts/Middlebrooks at SS/3b.  Probably won't win 97 again, but that's a really good team again, and fun to root for.  And we keep all the young'uns.  
 

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I want Masterson back as much as the next guy but unless you get an extension, doesn't it make more sense to just go after him in FA next offseason?
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
 
I don't know -- he would get a vet minimum contract, which is a fair amount to pay a guy who had a 6 OPS+ last year (though only about 70-80 ABs).  I kind of like the story of McDonald coming home, spelling Dustin Pedrioa down the stretch, and riding off into the sunset with his championship ring.  I'm not sure I see him as a full year option over Brock Holt.
 
There really aren't a whole lot of guys left, I don't think.  Lots of guys seemed to go pretty quickly this offseason.  I was sort of thinking maybe Furcal might be available, but the Marlins signed him to be a starter for $3 million.  Yankees locked up Ryan quickly.  Punto signed a month ago.  If they aren't still in the market for Drew, I think there may not be many seats left when the music stops.  Royals, somewhat surprisingly, non-tendered Chris Getz.  I don't know if he can play any position other than 2B, but it might be worth taking a look.
 
 
When it comes to UI, to paraphrase the famous GM John Perry Barlow, I'm not sure the music ever really stops.
 

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bozzs said:
Just throwing it out there but any thoughts of Youk coming back as a back up at 3rd/bat coming off back surgery the money would be reasonable
Youk likely isn't capable of playing 3B anymore and his BB%, K%, and ISO have all tanked.  He's probably toast, and not worth a 25 man spot for a big market contending team.  His best bet is to find a small market team that will let him compete at 1B for the vet minimum in an attempt to re-establish his value.
 

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Masterson is a guy I think they would think heavily about "investing" in as they like to say. They could conceivably think of him as a blossomed product of their own system. They really didn't like trading him for Victor. Potentially cheaper long term to lock up because of the former familiarity. ( I think X, JBJ, and Owens would be off limits. Though I think Owens is interesting as  a sell high  value guy who would have to be included in a Chris Sale type deal) 
 
I think they would like to negotiate with Lester with better insurance than clay/doubront to fall back on. Still a must sign one would think.  
 
Some type of combination of our controllable pitchers or 1 wiith middlebrooks and maybe a morales or bratton throw in. 
 
It depends on Drew and how much they love WMB. 
 

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ivanvamp said:
 
I started a post along these lines but deleted it.  Then I saw this and figured, what the hell.  I think a package of WMB and a couple of pitchers for Masterson might make some sense.  Indians get a 3b prospect with more upside, and two good future pitchers (they hope).
 
Sox get another top shelf, young SP, and they just go Drew/Bogaerts on the left side, with Cecchini in the wings for the eventual Bogaerts/Cecchini left side.  Masterson is a FA in 2015 so the Sox would have to fork over some money for him, but I love the prospect of Lester/Masterson/Buchholz/Lackey/Doubront, with Peavy and Dempster moved for prospects to replace the ones they just gave up (though they'd be of lesser quality).
 
EDIT:  But the more I think of it, I'm pretty happy with the Sox as currently constructed.  Very good rotation, quality (and improved) bullpen, Napoli back, JBJ taking over in CF, Bogaerts/Middlebrooks at SS/3b.  Probably won't win 97 again, but that's a really good team again, and fun to root for.  And we keep all the young'uns.  
Indians don't have any lefty starters maybe WMB Doubront package would get it done.
 

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I imagine they balk at including Doubie. What about WMB, Barnes, and Renaudo (I'm sure they prefer only giving up one of these guys) for Masterson and (Cabrera or Chisenhall).
 
Get a high floor high ceiling Masterson who can slot into be a 2 or a 3. Doubie 4 and Peavy,Workman, Dempster as your 5th spot depth. Who knows about Webster De La Rosa and Henry Owens. Plenty of insurance for the inevitable breaks (15 day dl stints lester or more probably bucholz needs) 
 
Infield depth( I don't know contracts one either Cabrera or Chisenhall) and Cechinni supposedly knocking on the door. 
 

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Indians don't have any lefty starters maybe WMB Doubront package would get it done.
 
I wouldn't even trade Doubront for Masterson straight up. The talent difference isn't worth the 3 years of control you'd be losing.
 

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I imagine Masterson as the best case proven scenario you can project for  any of the RH pitching prospects Webster/ Renaudo/ Barnes / Workman. Mid Rotation guys with 2 potential if everything goes right. 
 

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I'd probably do one of those guys plus WMB for masterson and cabrera  Masterson upgrades rotation and invest in with an extension. add in cabrera for infield flexibility. I'm not sold on WMB and we have a lot of lottery tickets who look good but you never know. I think 1 or 2 are expendable for some more certainty in  quality MLB innings.
 

Doctor G

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
No and that's to say nothing of the close to .200 swing in his splits over his career. LHH can pick the ball up to well on him. Pass.
Masterson' splits against lefties have improved with his improved control of his sinker. As far as Doubront is concerned' they are planning  to bring him into the Fort in January to make sure he shows up in shape.
 

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Forget Masterson. If you're going after one pitcher in this market its Tanaka. If you want someone who is battle tested then its Garza. They do not need to trade any assets for starting pitching. Let someone else overpay for Masterson/Shark. 
 

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The bigger issue from Boston's point of view is that with names like Masterson, Lee, Hamels, and Samardzjia out there (to say nothing of David Price), I can't imagine the Sox will get the return they were hoping for on Lackey, Dempster, or Peavy. 
 

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Based on the Trumbo return you wonder what WMB could possibly get. Less Proven, better glove and more control.