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JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm Dan Jennings told us they have discussed Mark Trumbo and Will Middlebrooks with their scouts…they have young pitching available
Interesting about the WMB rumor. I'm sure we'll hear a lot of those in the coming months.
I also had to go look up who Dan Jennings was...Miami Marlins GM.
I also had to go look up who Dan Jennings was...Miami Marlins GM.
Hmmm, the Marlins, huh?santadevil said:
Jose Fernandez for WMB?
(no, I don't really think this will happen.... but hey, Miami)
Yankees checked in on the availability of Brandon Phillips as Cano insurance.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24192435/yankees-inquire-about-brandon-phillips-price-said-to-be-very-steep
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24192435/yankees-inquire-about-brandon-phillips-price-said-to-be-very-steep
McCann seems to like Boston (or maybe it's just agent-speak):
http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/report-mccann-interested-signing-red-sox
http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/report-mccann-interested-signing-red-sox
Heard an interesting rumor today that Tigers are looking to trade Scherzer - both to free up $ for extending Miggy and to give Smiley a shot in the rotation.....
Apparently several teams are interested and talking to Detroit, among them the Nats....
Apparently several teams are interested and talking to Detroit, among them the Nats....
Scherzer is at peak trade value now - they probably can't afford to keep him with Miggy, Prince and Verlander contracts on the books. If they can fill the spot with Smyly, they can grab some nice prospects.
Plus he's a FA after next season, he's a Boras client, and he doesn't seem interested in an extension. So they realistically may not be able to keep him anyway.Plantiers Wart said:
It all depends what comes back but I think at least seriously exploring the trade market is a pretty good idea all things considered. I do wonder, however, what kinds of offers they're likely to receive if Scherzer is determined to go to free agency, as seems likely.
That rumor has been around a while. I doubt it happens unless someone offers a truly insane overpay for Scherzer. Illitch really, really wants a Ring and I don't think he lets Scherzer go unless it actually makes the Tigers better right now.
If the Tigers had won the WS this year, then I'd be more inclined to believe Scherzer gets traded - heck, I'd even consider it probable. But since they didn't, he won't get moved
If the Tigers had won the WS this year, then I'd be more inclined to believe Scherzer gets traded - heck, I'd even consider it probable. But since they didn't, he won't get moved
Not sure if this is the right spot, but on the boston.com TATB blog, Chad Finn thinks Giancarlo Stanton could end up in Boston for real.
http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/11/giancarlo_stanton_red_sox.html
http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/11/giancarlo_stanton_red_sox.html
I irrationally don't want to trade for any kind of star, young or established. I want to stick with this 2013 blueprint and see how long they can ride it out.
I guess you could see it as preemptively replacing Ortiz, though. They can build the rest of the roster in the same way. Of course, I think Finn is willing to give up too much. I don't just want Bogaerts off the table. I also don't want to see Doubront, Owens, Webster, Swihart, or Bradley included. If Ellsbury is leaving, they need to keep JBJ, especially if they want to maintain that center fielder in right field thing. I suppose it's possible they could re-sign Ells and then use JBJ to trade for Stanton, but that feels a bit like the run of moves that led to 2012.
Doubront shouldn't be going anywhere at this point and wouldn't fit a rebuilding Marlins team anyway, since his first two years of control are now gone. Webster is likely to be an important piece of the 2014 team on the Pawtucket shuttle or in the pen. Swihart has too much potential at a position that is extremely hard to fill. Excellent defender with a lot of upside in his bat. Owens, like Webster has incredible strikeout stuff, and he's left handed. I want to see how that plays out.
If the Marlins are willing to take one of Middlebrooks or Cecchini, two of DLR, Barnes, Raunado or Britton, one of Vazquez or Betts and one of Johnson, Stankiewicz or Buttrey, I'd be okay with it. I just don't see why the Marlins would do it. And part of me thinks the team will be better off long term keeping those prospects and letting them succeed or bust over the next few years.
Out of Middlebrooks and Cecchini you should get a starting third baseman. You should get at least one major league starter and one reliever out of the second group. Vazquez stands a good chance of being at least a quality backup catcher with excellent defense. Betts is really intriguing. And you might even get a major league pitcher out of that last group.
If Stanton didn't have the injury concerns and hadn't taken a step back last year, I would feel differently. Instead, I'm left thinking the price will be too high.
I guess you could see it as preemptively replacing Ortiz, though. They can build the rest of the roster in the same way. Of course, I think Finn is willing to give up too much. I don't just want Bogaerts off the table. I also don't want to see Doubront, Owens, Webster, Swihart, or Bradley included. If Ellsbury is leaving, they need to keep JBJ, especially if they want to maintain that center fielder in right field thing. I suppose it's possible they could re-sign Ells and then use JBJ to trade for Stanton, but that feels a bit like the run of moves that led to 2012.
Doubront shouldn't be going anywhere at this point and wouldn't fit a rebuilding Marlins team anyway, since his first two years of control are now gone. Webster is likely to be an important piece of the 2014 team on the Pawtucket shuttle or in the pen. Swihart has too much potential at a position that is extremely hard to fill. Excellent defender with a lot of upside in his bat. Owens, like Webster has incredible strikeout stuff, and he's left handed. I want to see how that plays out.
If the Marlins are willing to take one of Middlebrooks or Cecchini, two of DLR, Barnes, Raunado or Britton, one of Vazquez or Betts and one of Johnson, Stankiewicz or Buttrey, I'd be okay with it. I just don't see why the Marlins would do it. And part of me thinks the team will be better off long term keeping those prospects and letting them succeed or bust over the next few years.
Out of Middlebrooks and Cecchini you should get a starting third baseman. You should get at least one major league starter and one reliever out of the second group. Vazquez stands a good chance of being at least a quality backup catcher with excellent defense. Betts is really intriguing. And you might even get a major league pitcher out of that last group.
If Stanton didn't have the injury concerns and hadn't taken a step back last year, I would feel differently. Instead, I'm left thinking the price will be too high.
Christ Snod, that list of yours is a little insane. Stanton was good offensively, not great but good even with his injuries and he's only 23.
If you can get him without giving up Xander, I think you have to do it. You don't want to end up with another Bowden for Montero situation.
If you can get him without giving up Xander, I think you have to do it. You don't want to end up with another Bowden for Montero situation.
Well, let's look at this by comparing it to the Miguel Cabrera deal. The Tigers sent over the number 6 prospect in baseball that winter (2008's list is more relevant than 2007's as it was posted in February), a 23 year old left handed starter who was in the majors at that point in Andrew Miller, and some nice but not great prospects in Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Eulogio De La Cruz, and Burke Bradenhop.
Stanton probably isn't worth as much as Cabrera because of the previously mentioned injury concerns, not to mention the fact that Cabrera had a much better start to his career offensively. Cabrera was going into his age 25 season when he was traded. Stanton would be going into his age 24 season if traded this winter. If I'm doing the math right, Cabrera had one year of arb left when he was traded. Stanton should have 2 because he missed the cutoff for super 2 status. That cuts into Miggy's lead, but does not catch him IMO.
Miggy's OPS+'s before the trade were 106, 130, 151, 159, 150. That is incredibly consistent in the years leading up to the trade.
Stanton's are 118, 141, 155, 131. Not as consistent and only one season that is quite as good as Miggy's 3 leading into that winter.
So the package for him should be a bit less than what the Marlins got for Cabrera. If that's the case we're going a bit less top heavy in what I suggested, but much deeper. I'll use Sickels's top 75 season ending list since it's recent and goes past the top 50 where BA cuts off. In what I'm offering you have number 34 (Cecchini), number 58 (Ranaudo), and two prospects who were honorable mentions and likely make the top 100 if he goes that far in Betts and Barnes.
And when you consider that Cecchini has a .406 OBP in the AFL and that Mookie Betts has some really nice reports about how he's adjusting there floating around, both could climb a bit by the time BA does their list this winter.
So would you really value Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and some solid but not great prospects as a significantly better package than say Cecchini, Barnes, Ranaudo, Betts and Stankiewicz? You're dropping from Maybin to Cecchini even if Cecchini climbs a bit, but the combination of Barnes, Ranaudo, Betts and Sankiewicz is more valuable than Andrew Miller, Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Eulogio De La Cruz, and Burke Bradenhop were.
I really don't think it's crazy to draw the line somewhere around what I'm suggesting. Could the Marlins do better? Possibly. Maybe even probably, but the Red Sox don't need Stanton to be a great team going forward and shouldn't pay for him as though they do.
Stanton probably isn't worth as much as Cabrera because of the previously mentioned injury concerns, not to mention the fact that Cabrera had a much better start to his career offensively. Cabrera was going into his age 25 season when he was traded. Stanton would be going into his age 24 season if traded this winter. If I'm doing the math right, Cabrera had one year of arb left when he was traded. Stanton should have 2 because he missed the cutoff for super 2 status. That cuts into Miggy's lead, but does not catch him IMO.
Miggy's OPS+'s before the trade were 106, 130, 151, 159, 150. That is incredibly consistent in the years leading up to the trade.
Stanton's are 118, 141, 155, 131. Not as consistent and only one season that is quite as good as Miggy's 3 leading into that winter.
So the package for him should be a bit less than what the Marlins got for Cabrera. If that's the case we're going a bit less top heavy in what I suggested, but much deeper. I'll use Sickels's top 75 season ending list since it's recent and goes past the top 50 where BA cuts off. In what I'm offering you have number 34 (Cecchini), number 58 (Ranaudo), and two prospects who were honorable mentions and likely make the top 100 if he goes that far in Betts and Barnes.
And when you consider that Cecchini has a .406 OBP in the AFL and that Mookie Betts has some really nice reports about how he's adjusting there floating around, both could climb a bit by the time BA does their list this winter.
So would you really value Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and some solid but not great prospects as a significantly better package than say Cecchini, Barnes, Ranaudo, Betts and Stankiewicz? You're dropping from Maybin to Cecchini even if Cecchini climbs a bit, but the combination of Barnes, Ranaudo, Betts and Sankiewicz is more valuable than Andrew Miller, Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Eulogio De La Cruz, and Burke Bradenhop were.
I really don't think it's crazy to draw the line somewhere around what I'm suggesting. Could the Marlins do better? Possibly. Maybe even probably, but the Red Sox don't need Stanton to be a great team going forward and shouldn't pay for him as though they do.
Though I agree that Doubront probably doesn't fit the Marlins needs right now, I still would hesitate to include him if they asked for him. As for Owens or Webster, I'd include them if the deal was predicated on Stanton signing an extension with the Sox.
JBJ's inclusion relies heavily on the Ellsbury situation, as you noted and I tend to agree that Swihart is pretty close to untouchable as it is hard to fill the catcher's spot.
Regardless, I think you've set up a pretty fair deal above, sadly I think the Marlins balk as they have Moran coming up at 3rd.
JBJ's inclusion relies heavily on the Ellsbury situation, as you noted and I tend to agree that Swihart is pretty close to untouchable as it is hard to fill the catcher's spot.
Regardless, I think you've set up a pretty fair deal above, sadly I think the Marlins balk as they have Moran coming up at 3rd.
MakMan44 said:
If you're looking to avoid the worst case scenario, I don't think Bowden for Montero is the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is having a need and being unable to fill it because you are lacking in financial flexibility, prospect inventory, or both.
To that end, you make a special point of keeping the guys with the highest ceilings, especially after they have experienced a little success at AA because once they have done that, they're more likely than not to get a chance in the bigs, and some of the so called failures are still going to be useful major league players.
Sorry, but after I saw that Franklin Morales was the #8 prospect, I was unable to focus on anything elseSnodgrass'Muff said:
How about Joba being #3, in front of Buchholz, Kershaw and Price.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
I'd argue that we have a significant need for a power bat, if not in 2014 then very soon after.Rasputin said:
I don't see Xander as the replacement to Ortiz and what he brings to the line up, at least not for another few years (probably longer, honestly). And if Napoli doesn't return this offseason, who do you bat 4th?
I think Stanton fills a very real need in the line up, right now and for the hole that's going to emerge when Ortiz retires.
Those numbers seem insane but if every team's about to get $20-25 million more per year in network money, maybe we need to recalibrate our sense of what reasonable salaries really are.MakMan44 said:
Those numbers seem insane but if every team's about to get $20-25 million more per year in network money, maybe we need to recalibrate our sense of what reasonable salaries really are.
There is nothing that can justify those numbers. I'll be surprised if either gets half of those dollars.
There is nothing that can justify those numbers. I'll be surprised if either gets half of those dollars.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
I am having a hard time understanding how a trade that happened six years ago should have any bearing whatsoever on a trade proposal now. It might make for some interesting discussion (which is fine), but I can't see the Marlins seriously saying, well, we got this for Miggy, so we need to get this for Stanton - as if we are still living in the same baseball universe.
ivanvamp said:
If we can't use a trade for a similar player from the past, how are we supposed to discuss what a player like Stanton is worth in a trade? Money is certainly different in the game today than it was in 2007, but I don't see why the value of prospects would be any worse now than it was then. If anything, prospects are more valuable now than they were then since cost controlled young assets are being locked up more frequently than ever before.
Can you explain why you think comparing this to the Cabrera trade isn't a valid way to go? And it's not about the Marlins saying "We got X for Miggy, so we need to get X-Y for Stanton." It's about getting at what his value should be and that trade is the best example I can think of of a player like Stanton being moved at about the age Stanton would be moved if he was traded this winter.
When Ortiz retires, sure, but so far we're losing Ellsbury whose value comes as much from his defense as his offense. His defensive value is most likely adequately replaced by Bradley and unless Bradley has a terrible transition, he's likely to contribute something positive on offense as well.MakMan44 said:
I don't know about you, but I think there are a lot of people here who are going to be surprised if Bogaerts doesn't at least come close to matching Drew 's offense.
Which is a long winded way of saying I just don't see a Stanton sized hole in the lineup. If all our free agents and McCann sign elsewhere maybe you have a point but not until then.
Howard Eskin @howardeskin16m
I'm told #phillies working on a major trade. Details tonight at 10:50 @FOX29philly news. Will tweet after news.
https://twitter.com/howardeskin
Local Phi reporter
I'm told #phillies working on a major trade. Details tonight at 10:50 @FOX29philly news. Will tweet after news.
https://twitter.com/howardeskin
Local Phi reporter
Twitter says the rumored deal is Joey Bats for Dom Brown+
Edit: Depending on the haul for the Jays, this would make some sense for the Phillies -- they might as well go for it now and then rebuild as the older guys fade.
Here's Eskin's tweet: https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/400472510136741889
Edit: Depending on the haul for the Jays, this would make some sense for the Phillies -- they might as well go for it now and then rebuild as the older guys fade.
Here's Eskin's tweet: https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/400472510136741889
nattysez said:
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/400472510136741889
#phillies GM Ruben Amaro deep in serious talks w #bluejays to acquire OF Jose Batista. Can also play 3rd. Phils would deal OF Dom Brown plus
Jose Batista fits 4 #phillies. Under contract for 2 more yrs. Phils would have more balance from right side also after signing Marlon Byrd
The GM Meetings are ongoing. Every baseball reporter seeking rumors is there. Yet, I can find no one who has reported on this deal other than the one source cited above. MLBTR hasn't even picked up his report.
Not saying it isn't true, but usually there'd be more than one outlet talking about this
Not saying it isn't true, but usually there'd be more than one outlet talking about this
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/400472510136741889
#phillies GM Ruben Amaro deep in serious talks w #bluejays to acquire OF Jose Batista. Can also play 3rd. Phils would deal OF Dom Brown plus
Jose Batista fits 4 #phillies. Under contract for 2 more yrs. Phils would have more balance from right side also after signing Marlon Byrd
I'm not sure how much sense this really makes for the Phillies. I guess I can understand taking one or two more shots with Howard, Rollins, Utley, Lee, Papelbon, and Hamels but I think that window is mostly closed already with Howard and Rollins looking fairly crispy, and Utley being a good bet to get hurt.
If I was a fan in Philly, I would probably prefer they reset and build around Brown and Hamels.
#phillies GM Ruben Amaro deep in serious talks w #bluejays to acquire OF Jose Batista. Can also play 3rd. Phils would deal OF Dom Brown plus
Jose Batista fits 4 #phillies. Under contract for 2 more yrs. Phils would have more balance from right side also after signing Marlon Byrd
I'm not sure how much sense this really makes for the Phillies. I guess I can understand taking one or two more shots with Howard, Rollins, Utley, Lee, Papelbon, and Hamels but I think that window is mostly closed already with Howard and Rollins looking fairly crispy, and Utley being a good bet to get hurt.
If I was a fan in Philly, I would probably prefer they reset and build around Brown and Hamels.
I agree about Philly's overall outlook but I think this deal might still hinge on the "plus" that goes along with Domonic Brown. At the end of the day, Brown just isn't that good (career fWAR = 0.4, fWAR in his "breakout year" of 2013 = 1.6) and, at 26, he really should be in or entering his prime, which is sobering. Bautista, on the other hand, is still a great player on a very reasonable contract, although the injuries and age are a concern. They aren't sacrificing that much in trading away Brown and if Bautista helps them make one more run and/or can be flipped again for prospects if the wheels come completely off the team, then I think its a reasonable deal.Snodgrass'Muff said:
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
@jcrasnick of http://t.co/X8BzqPSakb is reporting from the GM's meeting that there is "no basis to Bautista - Brown trade report" #ESPN
@jcrasnick of http://t.co/X8BzqPSakb is reporting from the GM's meeting that there is "no basis to Bautista - Brown trade report" #ESPN
Choo needs a new agent.
Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
1994 31 Birmingham SOUL AA CHW 127 497 436 46 88 17 1 3 51 30 18 51 114 .202 .289 .266 .556 116 4 4 3 3 0
1 Season 1 Season 1 Season 127 497 436 46 88 17 1 3 51 30 18 51 114 .202 .289 .266 .556 116 4 4 3 3 0
Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
1994 31 Birmingham SOUL AA CHW 127 497 436 46 88 17 1 3 51 30 18 51 114 .202 .289 .266 .556 116 4 4 3 3 0
1 Season 1 Season 1 Season 127 497 436 46 88 17 1 3 51 30 18 51 114 .202 .289 .266 .556 116 4 4 3 3 0
Are the Cards looking to make a major deal involving some of their young pitching?
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/405184-cards-are-ripe-for-a-blockbuster-deal?eref=sihp
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/405184-cards-are-ripe-for-a-blockbuster-deal?eref=sihp
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 4s
Sources tell me and @jonmorosi that #Marlins are drawing significant trade interest in Logan Morrison. No deal close, Marlins listening…
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 3s
Morrison, after Stanton, was most asked about #Marlins player at GM meetings. Teams looking for power, 1B a position of increasing scarcity.
Sources tell me and @jonmorosi that #Marlins are drawing significant trade interest in Logan Morrison. No deal close, Marlins listening…
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 3s
Morrison, after Stanton, was most asked about #Marlins player at GM meetings. Teams looking for power, 1B a position of increasing scarcity.
According to Rosenthal, Ruiz will be playing in Philadelphia next season.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: Free-agent catcher Carlos Ruiz re-signing with #Phillies.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: Free-agent catcher Carlos Ruiz re-signing with #Phillies.