There's valid criticism, and then there's bullshit nonsense that the only guys on the team that have "a single-minded focus on winning" (whatever the hell that means) are Al Horford and Derrick White. Takes like that deserved to be mocked and criticized.
Legitimate question: Doesn’t the faster average speed and more miles mean that Tatum is in the corner more or am I misinterpreting?
Of course, Jaylen definitely moves a bit more on defense. But the paragraph below is a pretty gross over exaggeration, and just false on top of it. It’s purposely meant to paint Tatum as either lazy or inactive defensively, while Jaylen chases around the fastest guy all game, which as the stats show, is more likely to be White or Holiday. It’s just more of the Jaylen/Tatum toilet cycle that always happens.
No, it's not meant to paint Tatum as lazy, it's meant to explain the rebounding numbers. This isn't controversial, one only needs to watch the games to see where they are positioned when the opposing team shots go up.
Because most lineups without Jaylen, Tatum is at the 3. Hauser usually defends the 4, although the other team almost always tries forcing switches with him on the perimeter.
Where did I say anything negative about Jaylen? By pointing out that Holiday and White usually defend the other teams fastest players?
Like I said, I was riffing off this post:
Saying “unlike Jaylen, Tatum hangs around in the corner and grabs rebounds off the back of the rim” is absolutely trying to paint a picture lol, denying it is silly.
Couldn't be less of a Tatum hater. Christ, I've spent more money on Tatum jerseys for my son over the years than I can add up.
You keep posting these stats. You want to share where you're getting them?
Here you go.
Where is this data coming from? Is this a bball-index thing?
No, you called out my post as being negative towards Tatum, didn't you?
Tatum is basically the same from three, and Jaylen has been better from three? They both are exactly 0.6 up from last season. Why is one basically the same, and the other is just better?
So Tatum gets more rebounds because he’s the 4, and he hangs around in the corner? Got it.
Yeah all the sites are different with their position tracking lol. I usually stick with cleaning the glass for lineup info, and nba.com for play tracking data.
Seriously? Is context like a foreign concept to you?
So 0.6 is basically the same for one, and better for another. There’s no context needed there, was pretty clear.
Have you had a chance to watch the highlights I've posted, and answer my question?
Then why did Tatum rebound this well when he was the 3, and playing with Rob/Al?
Just let me know which NBA writer I'm supposed to believe moreso than my own eyes. I'll be sure to subscribe to their work. If I want to get an opinion on a Denver/Minnesota game I didn't watch, sure, I'll look at the stats, but when I haven't missed a second of a Celtics game in like 2 decades, I'm pretty comfortably knowing who is guarding where and who is in a position for defensive rebounds without needing some website to explain it to me.
Putting aside the limited minutes that Tatum actually played with Al and Rob, shouldn't I ask you the same question?
Tatum defends 4.8 three pointers per game, Jaylen is at 4.
Limited minutes?
Lmao I was thinking it at the end, I was like “this is dumb I can’t do it anymore.”
Regular season defense = effort, and JB's off-ball defense has been good so far.
I didn't respond bc, as you and others have said, the thread somehow turned into another JT vs JB battle which had nothing to do with my point last summer. "Taking foot off the gas" isn't about not trying or mailing in games and I thought I made my position clear back then but surely nobody remembers...shit I don't recall specifics but basically....
Absolutely fuckin not. Did you forget who was the Captain of Team Brown on Draft Night when people, many in this thread, hated the pick citing complete made up shit about him not being able to shoot simply by looking at raw numbers without context?
I just happen to believe a huge portion of rebounding is where you are in position to rebound when a shot goes up. Guys playing the 4 and 5 defensively are going to get more rebounds. This has been true since a dude in Springfield invented the game.
Except Browns ball handling and turnover rates are better this year, in the regular season, than they have been for like 5 years.
Those stats lie from my seat. His usage is down some and he isn't handling the ball in non-end of clock situations nearly as much.
That's kind of funny (and honestly an eye-opener). Nice post.
Allen is taking a ton of criticism in Cleveland for his effort. What were his best attributes a few years ago when on his rookie contract? Shot blocking/protecting rim and Rebounding. Not to harp on the money thing again but there is a CLEAR trendline to Allen getting his bag and his Rebounding and Shot Blocking numbers tanking.....and this year he's a foul machine as he appears slower (less motivated?) to react.
It seems as if the argument has cooled down so I wanted to ask some questions about some of the specific posts and numbers...
Of course. I never argued that Jaylen doesn’t run around on the perimeter more, I just said it’s closer than he was saying lol. Which as the numbers show, it is close, although Jaylen clearly does more running around, which the numbers show.
It's only human nature to get a bag, and spend hours on Zillow instead of the gym. Mo Money Mo Problems
with the exception of the big man on the floor, who is defending which action and where is mostly dictated by the offense these days. I don't think Jayson or jaylen being on or off ball more is a mazzulla thing
I know you know that I like your posts but some of them make me feel pretty stupid….what exactly am I looking at here?
