How do you envision that conversation going down? “We‘re kind of on the fence. Can you throw in the guy who doesn’t have tools?”
I’m not talking about Vlad. I’m specifically referring to you prorating Casas’ missed time from a significant injury this season over the last two years to create the impression that he is chronically hurt when he played 132 games as a rookie.
So you think Toronto would trade Vlad and a decent positional prospect for Casas? If Casas is that valuable maybe we should keep him.
Made me laugh, thank you! And does make sense, but most of the deals presented right now are of the 3 dimes for a quarter variety- that’s what we’re hoping for…
I’d consider him the most likely to be traded. Roman and Campbell have to much high end impact potential. Hell Campbell could break camp on the roster at second.
Yeah, I would put Marcelo around 4th at this point, maybe even 5th if the team loves Montgomery's defensive ability as much as it seems like.
Even the 15 games in 2023 is more than Vlad missed in the last 5 years combined. Then he goes and misses 2/3 of the next season.
Meidroth is the guy who looks great in statistical models who has nothing left to prove in the minors and would already be a cost-controlled starter if he weren't in a big market blocked by lots of blue chip prospects and legit major league veterans.
Agreed. I don't think this is correct at all. I think Mayer + ? is a slam dunk deal for the White Sox, unless there is a true bidding war for Crochet's services. I also think Anthony, and potentially Campbell is more untouchable than Mayer.
Agreed, and doing that to Crawford right after he gave us 183 innings seems like terrible personnel move from a human factor standpoint too.
This isn’t how this works. About half of those “missed” games were from Cora’s platooning! The rest were from shoulder inflammation which they only shut him down for because they weren’t competitive. Seems remarkable how everyone likes to pretend he’s shit now.
I continue to look for updates about when Giolito will be ready to go next year, with lots of reporting stating something like "began his throwing program in early August with the hope to be ready to start spring training next year."
One thing to keep in mind is that Crochet indicated he would want an extension before "pitching in the postseason" before last year's trade deadline. CWS clearly intended to trade him, but it didn't happen. I wonder why.
You're overthinking and should probably have researched a bit more, he said that because his innings were already so much more than he'd ever pitched before, pretty sure it was a 2024-only statement.
Thanks for the correction.
No, I think it was a very unusual situation, a gigantic jump in innings plus a proposed trade. I certainly wouldn't read anything into it for 2025 and beyond.
Yes, durability is a real concern. Crochet wanting an extension to pitch in the postseason is not.
Yeah, you'd think we'd have learned from Pedroia, or Youkilis, or countless other guys that traditional tools aren't the be all end all. The list of guys from 2010-2024 in the international league arranged by BB% is really interesting. A lot of washouts on the list, but what sticks out is that Meidroth is the only one on the page with a K rate below 15% in AAA.
Look, I don't disagree on principle. I think it makes a lot of sense for him to want that. I think it's fair. I'm just not sure general managers for baseball teams will see it that way.
He indeed does, but how will that translate to the majors when pitchers aren't worried about challenging him?
Of course we don't know for sure, and the defense in the show is better, but he's a guy with good contact skills too, not just discipline. So...low slugging, high OBP guy who can play defense at a few positions?
You're doing a lot of close reading here of a text we don't have, i.e., what his agents actually said to the White Sox and their trade partners. Any team acquiring him can speak to his representatives as part of that process; I'm sure they'll be at the hotel.
I don't know if its equivalent, but I doubt the Sox are looking to trade the guy who they probably have pencilled in as the starting 2Bman in 2025. If some other things happen first, then I suppose it's possible.
I’m going to keep riding this “Trade Grissom and let Hamilton handle 2B until Campbell is judged to be ready” wagon until one of the three of them is playing elsewhere.
That's perfectly fair. Good point. I'm really just trying to remark on the possibility that all of this might play a role in the sort of package CWS can extract. I will admit it could be totally off-base.
Well, there's a reason most of us here at SoSH refuse to acknowledge Bowden as "a source of information".
But.... that BTV whatever it's called trade simulator says we should be telling them Abreu is an overpay!!!!
Jim Bowden is bad at what he does. With that said, that may not be that far off. I just think you'd be selling low on Casas and high on Abreu. Even still, I'd view Connor Wong as a sweetener to the deal and probably not necessary.
13 years of position player control vs 2 starting pitcher years is just too much for me regardless. Seems like only something you'd do if you have a million other moves queued up. I'd rather go straight prospects, and if they want Wong too, fine.
Yeah, that would be an insane deal for which I can't imagine there is any precedent. It is full-on silly season.
