Holiday Gameweek: Congestion & Cancellations
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That is complete and utter bullshit … given the tackling and shirtpulling that goes on on your average corner that was nothing.
He was already diving before the shirt pull happened. That’s silly after not giving the one in the first half.
Poor dude was trying to lean all his weight on Xhaka and fell over when he backed out of the way.
Xhaka could have had the penalty for hitting both knees. I totally get that nobody wants City to win this but Xhaka played with fire 3 times in one challenge and got burned
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to add some content: league table implications aside (league is already City's as far as I'm concerned), it really sucks when a good match goes to shit off one terrible decision. In a vacuum, Xhaka's blocking Silva off, legs make contact, should be a penalty; in the context of Bernardo not going down, then deciding to dive just before the shirt pull, and Ederson getting away with a penalty 10' into the match... yikes
to add some content: league table implications aside (league is already City's as far as I'm concerned), it really sucks when a good match goes to shit off one terrible decision. In a vacuum, Xhaka's blocking Silva off, legs make contact, should be a penalty; in the context of Bernardo not going down, then deciding to dive just before the shirt pull, and Ederson getting away with a penalty 10' into the match... yikes
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Arsenal lost their heads but the ref had an absolute shocker in that five minutes. Terrible penalty decision, trying to be a big man booking players for arguing with him.
I will fully admit my bias but Xhaka stabs a leg and missed and it caused contact. Salah gets that call all the time. Every attacker in the league gets that call. The shirt pull is idiotic but obviously well after the player is on his way down but I really don’t see how that’s a terrible decision. It’s certainly one which could have been waved off but then I’d be the one in here raging about a clear pen not given.
England has the worst referees in the world. Yeah, Holding held his arm. And then KDB tripped over his own 2 feet and its a card.
Okay, cool.
Okay, cool.
As an Arsenal fan, I’d feel hard done by if the colors were reversed and the penalty wasn’t given. It’s less the call itself, and more the context (denied penalty in the first half, which was another defendable call, plus the ref going card crazy) that is frustrating.
Xhaka had a leg out but that's generally what happens when you backpedal and Bernardo created the contact by running into him then flopped.
He’s beat and sticks a leg out and grabs a shirt. He’s already got the shirt here. I get it is infuriating to have a pen waved off like the Ederson instance and then this given but this is a fairly clear penalty
Xhaka's clumsiness definitely gives VAR the chance to take a look - Bernardo's decision to go down is made so long after the contact w Xhaka's legs that it's almost comical.
Contact
Attempts to take another stride while realizing Xhaka is holding his shirt (Xhaka's football IQ really shines here)
Realizes "oh shit, better go stiff as a board" while taking another step
Salah, Mané, Jota, etc dive - often IMO to their detriment, especially Mané, since more often than not contact is deemed insufficient for a penalty; Salah at least has gotten better about identifying when it behooves him to stay up. But decisions like this are why players keep doing it, there's no disincentive to milking as much as you can out of any contact.
Nah, not when the other player is the one who creates the contact. It wasn't like Bernardo was running around him and Xhaka stuck out that leg and tripped him. Bernardo ran right through him, he made contact with his thigh while pushing him in the shoulder.
Also its pretty obvious on replay that the leg contact didn't bring him down. He could have kept running but decided to flop.
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The part where he's already falling to the ground here before the contact you mean?He’s beat and sticks a leg out and grabs a shirt. He’s already got the shirt here. I get it is infuriating to have a pen waved off like the Ederson instance and then this given but this is a fairly clear penalty
The sad rejoinder is thatb the ref didn’t give it live and without the dive the Var probably doesn’t call it back either. I don’t like it much but this is why players go down like this.
Bernardo will suffer in some future incident I’m sure. Just don’t think this was a crime
I did have to crack a smile when Rodri went shirt off into the Arsenal support.
This City squad are world class at just about everything, shithousery being at the top of the list
This City squad are world class at just about everything, shithousery being at the top of the list
City fans can fuck off with that second half.. a bunch of whiny, diving, hacks that got every call and didn't get called for any of theirs.. Rodrigo could/should have been off the field with two of his hacks.
edit: ugh I'm f#$cking pissed. Apologies for the post, but that second half was brutal... every call lead into another. The PK isn't called.. Gabriel doesn't get a yellow for scuffing the penalty spot. Rodrigo gets called for either of his fouls or both? City are then down to ten men as well.. At one point the yellows on Arsenal were comical given the standard of play today.
edit: ugh I'm f#$cking pissed. Apologies for the post, but that second half was brutal... every call lead into another. The PK isn't called.. Gabriel doesn't get a yellow for scuffing the penalty spot. Rodrigo gets called for either of his fouls or both? City are then down to ten men as well.. At one point the yellows on Arsenal were comical given the standard of play today.
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yeah.. world class diving club... you get calls like that.. no wonder you're in first
Problem is.. Arsenal hasn't been getting that call for years... I mean the foul on Odegaard in the first half is a PK too given that standard.
Its really obvious on video review that Ederson gets Odegaard's foot and not the ball. Its a classic example of something that is very hard to judge in real time but becomes clear on replay.
So if its clear on video review that the GK does not contact the ball, then how is this sequence of events not a penalty? What is the point of VAR if the VAR referee isn't telling the referee to look at the monitor here to see whether this should be a penalty but does so on the Bernardo dive? There's no rhyme or reason.
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The Odegaard situation is entirely different. It’s a 50:50 and probably always the call on the field was going to stand. I don’t expect to convince the myriad Arsenal and Liverpool fans of anything but they were separate incidents. I get it, I’ve been on the other end of those days where nothing goes your way and the anger is natural.
By your standard Odegaard is taking an extra pointless touch in order to earn a penalty. Which again he absolutely could have had and I’d have been on here saying what you should be about Xhaka and I have said about other City players in the past: play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Wasn't the Aussie the ref today, or was the Aussie on VAR? I was in bed in a haze throughout the match
Like the second half against Saints, Spurs don’t really need 3 CBs + 2 defensive-minded midfielders in this game. Watford are not threatening anything. I would take off one of the CBs for a more attacking player.
What’s the point of VAR if it doesn’t even look at that rugby tackle on Dier in the box?
I understand how hard that would be to call on the pitch by a ref, but it’s a clear and obvious penalty. I’d be fine getting rid of VAR and dealing with the errors of refs. But if we’re going to have it, why would that not get looked at?
I understand how hard that would be to call on the pitch by a ref, but it’s a clear and obvious penalty. I’d be fine getting rid of VAR and dealing with the errors of refs. But if we’re going to have it, why would that not get looked at?
