Holiday Gameweek: Congestion & Cancellations

Mighty Joe Young

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What a nerve wracking game. A draw was useless to both sides. Still better than a loss I guess. Not to diminish the achievement but Kovatic could try that shot 1000 times and score once. Both keepers were magnificent.

Whew.
 
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PedroSpecialK

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Saw a stat that City are 17/17 in the league from winning positions, Liverpool are 12-5-0. That just about sums it up - when one cog of the Fabinho / Henderson / Thiago midfield is missing, the depth isn't there to consistently win.

Kelleher acquitted himself very well, no Matip definitely hurt, lots of outnumbered situations going forward that just weren't converted (the Fabinho run that would have put Salah in but was played by an offside Mané sticks out). Before the season I 100% would have taken draws in both meetings against Chelsea, but feels more like 4 points squandered.
 

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Is that so? Who from the squad is currently available and how many would have to have been signed in one day to be able to field a team? Which of the injured or infected players could have been moved on to make room in the squad?

Technically speaking, Southampton can quit crying about it any time they like.
 

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Jones has actually been one of United's best players. They have been completely wank. Wolves has Brightonitis though and can't make any of their good play count on the scoresheet. This has all the hallmarks of 1-0 United on a 77th minute Ronaldo goal.
 

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I have secret hopes that the so-so results of the "Ralf Rangnick Builds A Pressing Team With Two Mid-30s Strikers One of Whom is Ronaldo" project make ManU get antsy and abandon the "Ralf Rangnick Helps Refashion Your Club Into A Modern Club" project, which I find much more threatening as a fan of a different team.

C'mon, you know you just wanna hire a Neville!
 

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Looks like Soton sold to a Serbian owner
View: https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1478394931261628422


seems like a bargain price
I'll say. According to this article, Burnley sold for twice that amount last year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-07/english-premier-league-team-s-sale-comes-with-a-financial-twist

A study last year put the average EPL team being valued at $1.28 billion. Obviously the Big 6 clubs are warping that to an extent, but it seems like a bargain price for a league that high average valuation.

Edit: The Sky story says it is for 80% of the club, not the entire thing. Still seems pretty cheap.
 

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I have secret hopes that the so-so results of the "Ralf Rangnick Builds A Pressing Team With Two Mid-30s Strikers One of Whom is Ronaldo" project make ManU get antsy and abandon the "Ralf Rangnick Helps Refashion Your Club Into A Modern Club" project, which I find much more threatening as a fan of a different team.

C'mon, you know you just wanna hire a Neville!
QFT

Ralf is there to get the ship back on course, and right now he's building a rudder. Would love for the Glazers to throw him overboard and bring on someone partially blind to take over!
 

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Ralf is there to get the ship back on course, and right now he's building a rudder. Would love for the Glazers to throw him overboard and bring on someone partially blind to take over!
Rangnick has been put into a really hard situation when you think about it. Not only has he never managed in England before, he's never managed a truly big club with big egos before. And now he is managing the biggest club in England with some very big egos in a seemingly dysfunctional dressing room. Finally, as an interim manager, he has limited leverage over the players as they know he'll be gone in five months and somebody else will be in charge of their careers.

Whatever the case may be, Rangnick needs to find a solution soon. United are in the middle of a very soft run of fixtures. If they can't figure out how to string together some wins during this stretch, they're going to be in big trouble because their schedule is brutal from the beginning of March onward.
 

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Rangnick has been put into a really hard situation when you think about it. Not only has he never managed in England before, he's never managed a truly big club with big egos before. And now he is managing the biggest club in England with some very big egos in a seemingly dysfunctional dressing room. Finally, as an interim manager, he has limited leverage over the players as they know he'll be gone in five months and somebody else will be in charge of their careers.

Whatever the case may be, Rangnick needs to find a solution soon. United are in the middle of a very soft run of fixtures. If they can't figure out how to string together some wins during this stretch, they're going to be in big trouble because their schedule is brutal from the beginning of March onward.
I thought he was brought in as DoF (or similar) and he's just the interim manager because it'll be easier to bring in a proper one in the summer? If that's the case, then the bolded doesn't seem accurate. But please correct me if I'm wrong about this (no snark intended).
 

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I'll say. According to this article, Burnley sold for twice that amount last year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-07/english-premier-league-team-s-sale-comes-with-a-financial-twist

A study last year put the average EPL team being valued at $1.28 billion. Obviously the Big 6 clubs are warping that to an extent, but it seems like a bargain price for a league that high average valuation.

Edit: The Sky story says it is for 80% of the club, not the entire thing. Still seems pretty cheap.
Burnely is annually among the most profitable EPL clubs because their outlays are about as low as you can go for a club who has been in the EPL for the past 6 years. Even last year, they announced breaking even after losing £10.5m to COVID. If you think Burnley has the right system in place to stay up for a long while, it’s a great value play for a buyer.

Soton pays £10m more in wages and announced a £76m loss for the year ending last June. I can see why they would attract a much smaller bid compared to Burnley.
 

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Burnely is annually among the most profitable EPL clubs because their outlays are about as low as you can go for a club who has been in the EPL for the past 6 years. Even last year, they announced breaking even after losing £10.5m to COVID. If you think Burnley has the right system in place to stay up for a long while, it’s a great value play for a buyer.

Soton pays £10m more in wages and announced a £76m loss for the year ending last June. I can see why they would attract a much smaller bid compared to Burnley.
one could argue that Soton is one sale to a big 6 away from making back that 76M whereas Burnley need to sell 4 players to midtable teams equal what the Saints get in one
 

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Yeah, I'm no Swiss Ramble but it would seem to be that Southampton, while a lower-table team that is in danger of being relegated, as a pretty sustainable business model.

The more I read about this stuff, dating back to the Super League idea, and I'm currently reading "The Club" by Josh Robinson and Jonathan Clegg about the history of the EPL, it's amazing to me how much more successful from a financial standpoint American sports have been over European leagues. The average MLS franchise is estimated to be worth $500 million.
 

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I thought he was brought in as DoF (or similar) and he's just the interim manager because it'll be easier to bring in a proper one in the summer? If that's the case, then the bolded doesn't seem accurate. But please correct me if I'm wrong about this (no snark intended).
They have agreed to retain him as a consultant after this season but the parameters of that role aren't defined. It's not clear that he would be a full time employee of Manchester United, let alone the DoF.
 

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They have agreed to retain him as a consultant after this season but the parameters of that role aren't defined. It's not clear that he would be a full time employee of Manchester United, let alone the DoF.
Ah ok, your comment makes more sense to me. But makes less sense to me in terms of what MAN U are doing. He's going to be a consultant, but not a DoF? Does he get to pick the manager? Is he going to run player dev? I think United are in bad need of someone with his big picture program vision regardless of whether it's him or not.
 
The more I read about this stuff, dating back to the Super League idea, and I'm currently reading "The Club" by Josh Robinson and Jonathan Clegg about the history of the EPL, it's amazing to me how much more successful from a financial standpoint American sports have been over European leagues. The average MLS franchise is estimated to be worth $500 million.
There are so many more people who live in America than live in England, or Italy, or Spain, or Germany, or France (etc.). And Southampton has the population of Toledo, OH or Madison, WI - and without the space between itself and other similarly sized cities - like Portsmouth - that would allow it to carve out any sort of regional identity, in the way that University of Wisconsin sports can naturally claim the loyalty of fans far beyond Madison itself.

Really, your point is true about America's economy as a whole relative to the economies of other smaller countries. Big clubs in big cities with global followings can pay many of their players American-sized wages, but more broadly, there just isn't as much money to go around. (I mean, I'm always slightly surprised when the BBC publishes the salaries of its highest earning employees - Gary Lineker is the best-paid sports presenter or commentator - and see just how low they are.)
 
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the1andonly3003

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There are so many more people who live in American than live in England, or Italy, or Spain, or Germany, or France (etc.). And Southampton has the population of Toledo, OH or Madison, WI - and without the space between itself and other similarly sized cities - like Portsmouth - that would allow it to carve out any sort of regional identity, in the way that University of Wisconsin sports can naturally claim the loyalty of fans far beyond Madison itself.

Really, your point is true about America's economy as a whole relative to the economies of other smaller countries. Big clubs in big cities with global followings can pay many of their players American-sized wages, but more broadly, there just isn't as much money to go around. (I mean, I'm always slightly surprised when the BBC publishes the salaries of its highest earning employees - Gary Lineker is the best-paid sports presenter or commentator - and see just how low they are.)
BBC pay 2019-2020: The full list of star salaries - BBC News
wow, just did a Google search. Lineker would easily make Romo money if it were the US. No wonder Jon Champion and Danny Higginbotham came over to the US for the MLS. Wonder how Arlo White compares to his Sounders/MLS on NBC comp
 

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finally a breakthrough by Jarrod Bowen off a cross from Vladimir Coufal...Bowen's first goal off a free kick was chopped off after Vlasic was off side and interfered with Krul

1-0 Hammers