Hold the Mayo? Evaluating Patriots coaching.

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That to me is the much better criticism (I think I mentioned it in another thread maybe?) than "why Polk over WR X" is that they pretty clearly locked in on the idea that they were taking a WR and OT in the 2nd and 3rd no matter what. Whether that was because the owner was pushing, Wolf decided draft for need, Mayo pushed for it, or it was just the product of a draft by committee, they clearly forced positions over BPA and it was a mistake.
That's a good point. In real time it seemed like there was a run on wide receivers and they felt a need to grab one. Like the guy that panics and grabs Jake Ferguson in a fantasy draft 3 rounds too early when he gets scared there won't be any TE left after a run.
 

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That's a good point. In real time it seemed like there was a run on wide receivers and they felt a need to grab one. Like the guy that panics and grabs Jake Ferguson in a fantasy draft 3 rounds too early when he gets scared there won't be any TE left after a run.
Need can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. For WRs, they had cut Parker, JJSS and knew Bourne was likely to be PUP'd to begin the season. They proceeded to sign the 16th best possible replacement of WRs (based on PFF numbers) in Osborne, and did not trade for any WR. They literally needed 2 starters, so they decided to draft 2 WRs and cross their fingers. It did not work.
 

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From Doug Kyed: Jerod Mayo doesn’t know if he’ll have final say in Patriots coaching changes

https://www.bostonherald.com/2025/01/03/jerod-mayo-doesnt-know-if-hell-have-final-say-in-patriots-coaching-changes/
The Patriots appear to have an ownership problem.

Am I off base in thinking that someone at the Herald put together an inflammatory headline over a non-answer to a reporters question?

My read of that quote is that Mayo doesn't want to answer the question and so evades saying anything substantial, which public figures do all the time when reporters want them to go on the record about stuff they don't want on the record.

Feels like it's a slow news day for Pats coverage, and flogging Mayo is good for some clicks to keep the editors happy



And, at the same time, I mean: the Pats may very well have an ownership problem and Mayo may not know if he'll have final say in Pats coaching changes.

This season can't end fast enough
 

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Yeah, he was a consensus late 1st, early 2nd. He is basically the definition of a non-reach complete bust.
Yep. Many, many people at the time thought Harry had a lot of strengths that would make him a good NFL receiver. He was highly rated by a lot of pundits and "experts". Turns out he just sucked (at the NFL level, not the college level, of course). It happens.

The mystery to me about Polk is his hands. He was incredible at catching passes in college. Outstanding hands. But man that part of his game just vanished in the pros. I don't know why that skill would disappear. Playing against better corners explains why it's harder to get separation, but it doesn't explain why he suddenly would have a problem catching the football.
 

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Yep. Many, many people at the time thought Harry had a lot of strengths that would make him a good NFL receiver. He was highly rated by a lot of pundits and "experts". Turns out he just sucked (at the NFL level, not the college level, of course). It happens.

The mystery to me about Polk is his hands. He was incredible at catching passes in college. Outstanding hands. But man that part of his game just vanished in the pros. I don't know why that skill would disappear. Playing against better corners explains why it's harder to get separation, but it doesn't explain why he suddenly would have a problem catching the football.
Likely mental. It takes a lot of mental fortitude to play in this league, especially when you’re a fringe player. He might not have what it takes in that department. I was initially excited by this pick because he seemed like a dependable pass catcher. Pretty surprised by how bad he’s looked, honestly.
 

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Likely mental. It takes a lot of mental fortitude to play in this league, especially when you’re a fringe player. He might not have what it takes in that department. I was initially excited by this pick because he seemed like a dependable pass catcher. Pretty surprised by how bad he’s looked, honestly.
He gets zero separation, so he can't make tough catches against NFL CBs because they're right on top of him and are out-muscling him to boot. It's really the same issues that Harry had. Harry was getting shoved around by CBs a foot shorter than him.

To me, this is an organizational blind spot. They've twice picked guys high that they thought could make contested catches. Perhaps they should be focusing on guys who can actually get separation instead.
 

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I would love to see the team do the same that Craig Breslow did and have an external audit done as part of the rebuilding process. Preferably, this should be done by Eliot Wolf or the next Director of Football Operations.
Eliot Wolf has been working for the Patriots for five years. Why would he be involved in an external audit?

That said, I agree with you that the Pats would benefit from the Commanders approach of ownership hiring out a firm to find someone who knows what they are doing, put that someone in charge of football ops (either as GM or person who would hire a GM) and give that person some authority to make decisions as well as support them if they want to do things like expand the scouting or analytic departments.
This is really common: a lot of owners will either employ a search firm (Korn Ferry is probably the biggest one) or ask a former GM (Ernie Accorsi, Bill Polian, and Ron Wolf have done this a lot) for recommendations. Unsurprisingly, such firms/GMs typically recommend candidates to which they have ties.
 

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The Pats have drafted big receivers. They've drafted fast receivers. They've drafted slot-type receivers. They've drafted guys who, in college, were great at making contested catches.

What they have rarely done is draft good NFL receivers. Almost all of their even decent receiver picks have been late round guys who have done pretty well. None of them have emerged as anything close to resembling a star.

Edelman was the last really, really good WR they drafted, and that was almost by luck (7th round), because he was a QB in college and wasn't expected to be a good NFL WR. He was just a good football player who made himself great.
 

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The Pats have drafted big receivers. They've drafted fast receivers. They've drafted slot-type receivers. They've drafted guys who, in college, were great at making contested catches.

What they have rarely done is draft good NFL receivers. Almost all of their even decent receiver picks have been late round guys who have done pretty well. None of them have emerged as anything close to resembling a star.

Edelman was the last really, really good WR they drafted, and that was almost by luck (7th round), because he was a QB in college and wasn't expected to be a good NFL WR. He was just a good football player who made himself great.
Ditto Givens - he played WR in a pure run offense at Notre Dame and was a late round flyer.

I would argue the only good WR pick they made in the BB era was Branch.
 

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The Pats have drafted big receivers. They've drafted fast receivers. They've drafted slot-type receivers. They've drafted guys who, in college, were great at making contested catches.

What they have rarely done is draft good NFL receivers. Almost all of their even decent receiver picks have been late round guys who have done pretty well. None of them have emerged as anything close to resembling a star.

Edelman was the last really, really good WR they drafted, and that was almost by luck (7th round), because he was a QB in college and wasn't expected to be a good NFL WR. He was just a good football player who made himself great.
I saw a tweet that the Patriots have drafted 5 good WR in the last 40 years that played a minimum 5 full seasons.

Irving Fryer (1984 1st overall)
Troy Brown (1993 8th Round)
Terry Glenn (1996 1st Round)
Deion Branch (2002 2nd Round)
Julian Edelman (2009 7th Round)
 

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Ditto Givens - he played WR in a pure run offense at Notre Dame and was a late round flyer.

I would argue the only good WR pick they made in the BB era was Branch.
I thought Mitchell (4th round) was a good pick too. He was instrumental in them winning a SB, but injuries derailed him. He was a good receiver though.
 

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I saw a tweet that the Patriots have drafted 5 good WR in the last 40 years that played a minimum 5 full seasons.

Irving Fryer (1984 1st overall)
Troy Brown (1993 8th Round)
Terry Glenn (1996 1st Round)
Deion Branch (2002 2nd Round)
Julian Edelman (2009 7th Round)
That's amazing. As I said to T4W, I think Mitchell was a good receiver, but because injuries derailed his career, he can't be considered a good pick I guess.
 

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I thought Mitchell (4th round) was a good pick too. He was instrumental in them winning a SB, but injuries derailed him. He was a good receiver though.
Good call, that was a good pick and he absolutely had a future. That said, the med staff may have failed on the evaluation. I don't think that was an in-season injury, I think it was pre-NFL injury / injuries.
 

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He gets zero separation, so he can't make tough catches against NFL CBs because they're right on top of him and are out-muscling him to boot. It's really the same issues that Harry had. Harry was getting shoved around by CBs a foot shorter than him.

To me, this is an organizational blind spot. They've twice picked guys high that they thought could make contested catches. Perhaps they should be focusing on guys who can actually get separation instead.
I can think of a Chargers WR who gets separation…
 

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Good call, that was a good pick and he absolutely had a future. That said, the med staff may have failed on the evaluation. I don't think that was an in-season injury, I think it was pre-NFL injury / injuries.
Yeah I think that's likely why he was a 4th rounder instead of higher. I was just saying that he was a good player who didn't pan out because of injuries. Sometimes a guy with injury risks holds up just fine and lives up to his potential, and sometimes he doesn't.
 

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Yeah I think that's likely why he was a 4th rounder instead of higher. I was just saying that he was a good player who didn't pan out because of injuries. Sometimes a guy with injury risks holds up just fine and lives up to his potential, and sometimes he doesn't.
Right, like Gronk. Mitchell was a good pick even only playing a single year - he was a key cog on that title team.
 

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Yeah I think that's likely why he was a 4th rounder instead of higher. I was just saying that he was a good player who didn't pan out because of injuries. Sometimes a guy with injury risks holds up just fine and lives up to his potential, and sometimes he doesn't.
Yeah he definitely had knee issues from college. Certainly worth a flier when they took him but turns out that sometimes those medical red flags bite you in the ass.
 

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I can think of a Chargers WR who gets separation…
Very true.

IMO, the only reason not to take McConkey was if he was red flagged. If he got the clean bill of health, then it was monumentally stupid to trade down (or to only trade down once as opposed to moving down the board even more to get more picks).

Have to give credit to @SMU_Sox (and Arif's consensus big board). The picks from the 2nd-4th rounds all looked bad to really bad when you looked at SMU's ratings and where they were on the big board and...the same remains true now.
 

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The stuff with Tavai today is so telling. He comes out, makes a brain fart and goes at the fans on morning radio, Mayo says he spoke to Tavai and addressed it, then Tavai speaks again AFTER what Mayo said and trashes the fans again.

Mayo is a joke of a leader.
 

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The stuff with Tavai today is so telling. He comes out, makes a brain fart and goes at the fans on morning radio, Mayo says he spoke to Tavai and addressed it, then Tavai speaks again AFTER what Mayo said and trashes the fans again.

Mayo is a joke of a leader.
"We need to be more consistent. Starting with me".

And yet... the inconsistency is OFF THE CHARTS
 

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"We need to be more consistent. Starting with me".

And yet... the inconsistency is OFF THE CHARTS
He's flailing, the team is losing... It's all coming apart at the seams. At least so far nothing particularly out of the ordinary or egregious has happened (aside from maybe Peppers earlier on). If he does stay on, I'd be very interested to know his own improvement plan for the off-season. What's his process? Where does he go for advice? Clearly consistency is a goal. What does that mean to Mayo? Robert has to at least put him through those paces starting on Monday.
 

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Top 10 separation average according to NextGen Stats:
  1. Mims
  2. Shakir
  3. Zaccheus
  4. Demario Douglas
  5. Reed
  6. Flowers
  7. Worthy
  8. Franklin
  9. Dortch
  10. Waddle
The bottom 10:
  1. Marv Jr.
  2. AJ Brown
  3. Cooks
  4. Coleman
  5. Westbrook-Akhine
  6. Moore
  7. Pickens
  8. Watson
  9. Aiyuk
  10. Higgins
League average was 2.98 yards. Polk didn't qualify for the leaderboard (45 or more targets). McConkey was at 3.1 yards. Sifting through the game logs on NextGen - in the games Polk even got targets he was often in the mid-1s with two games being above average. I don't think separation tells the whole story with Polk. More of a perfect storm of having a tough time getting open, drops, doing jack shit with any ball he even caught, and a complete loss of confidence before getting iced out. It's also a fairly noisy stat that's dominated at the top by tight ends who are getting "separation" against safeties and LB and the worst receivers at getting separation are wholly a group you'd prefer to roster over the best receivers at getting separation.
 

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Top 10 separation average according to NextGen Stats:
  1. Mims
  2. Shakir
  3. Zaccheus
  4. Demario Douglas
  5. Reed
  6. Flowers
  7. Worthy
  8. Franklin
  9. Dortch
  10. Waddle
The bottom 10:
  1. Marv Jr.
  2. AJ Brown
  3. Cooks
  4. Coleman
  5. Westbrook-Akhine
  6. Moore
  7. Pickens
  8. Watson
  9. Aiyuk
  10. Higgins
League average was 2.98 yards. Polk didn't qualify for the leaderboard (45 or more targets). McConkey was at 3.1 yards. Sifting through the game logs on NextGen - in the games Polk even got targets he was often in the mid-1s with two games being above average. I don't think separation tells the whole story with Polk. More of a perfect storm of having a tough time getting open, drops, doing jack shit with any ball he even caught, and a complete loss of confidence before getting iced out. It's also a fairly noisy stat that's dominated at the top by tight ends who are getting "separation" against safeties and LB and the worst receivers at getting separation are wholly a group you'd prefer to roster over the best receivers at getting separation.
NGS separation is one of the rare completely and totally useless metrics. It's closer to a QB stat than a WR one in that it only counts nearest defender on targets, which is generally worthless in measuring whether the WR actually gets separation on routes, and also skews towards guys who get manufactured touches or lots of targets in the middle of the field against zone.

Edit- the PFF metric and ASS are a bit better as they at least try to evaluate whether you get actual separation on routes you run, vs... how open were you when your QB threw it to you.
 

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My son keeps telling me that the Pats should just draft WRs from the SEC or Ohio State. I know he's joking and it's a simple way of looking at it but the Pac 12 and Big 12 were/are not big boy conferences.
 

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My son keeps telling me that the Pats should just draft WRs from the SEC or Ohio State. I know he's joking and it's a simple way of looking at it but the Pac 12 and Big 12 were/are not big boy conferences.
He’s not wrong. Just look at the guys Ohio State and SEC have spit out lately:

Harrison Jr
Nabers
Brian Thomas
Worthy
Pearsall
Legette
McConkey
Smith-Njigba
Garrett Wilson
Olave
Chase
Waddle
Smith

I’m probably missing a few but all of these are from the last 3-4 years.
 

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My son keeps telling me that the Pats should just draft WRs from the SEC or Ohio State. I know he's joking and it's a simple way of looking at it but the Pac 12 and Big 12 were/are not big boy conferences.
I totally agree with this. Obviously even then they're not all going to pan out, but a hell of a lot of them do. The hit rate if you just drafted guys from this group has to be way, way above average.
 
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I totally agree with this. Obviously even then they're not all going to pan out, but a hell of a lot of them do. The hit rate if you just drafted guys from this group has to be way, way above average.
No I don’t think it would be “way way above average”. The SEC produces so many drafted WR (and many of the legit super stars) so it seems like the hit rate is crazy high but it’s not really.

Mingo, Mims, Tillman, Hyatt, Burks, Metchie, Velus Jones, Toney, Elijah Moore, Terrace Marshall, Schwartz, Bowden, Edwards, Jefferson, WanDale Robinson… there’s been plenty of bad recent SEC guys who went in the top 100 picks or so. Even a guy like Jeudy isn’t really a “hit” (maybe not bust either)

Obviously, a bunch of superstars as well.

The SEC generally produces a lot of great players because it produces a ton of players period. And yeah I think on average, SEC guys pan out at a higher rate because better recruits go to better programs (etc) but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the degree to which you’re suggesting.

You could say the same for almost any position group TBH.

Ohio State definitely seems like WR university though. Hartline clearly has the best eye for WR talent in the country and I don’t think it’s close. Whatever he is doing to recruit those guys is working.
 

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The stuff with Tavai today is so telling. He comes out, makes a brain fart and goes at the fans on morning radio, Mayo says he spoke to Tavai and addressed it, then Tavai speaks again AFTER what Mayo said and trashes the fans again.

Mayo is a joke of a leader.
Imagine how bad things would be had the Patriots not signed so many of last years players to long term extensions in the name of team culture.
 

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No I don’t think it would be “way way above average”. The SEC produces so many drafted WR (and many of the legit super stars) so it seems like the hit rate is crazy high but it’s not really.

Mingo, Mims, Tillman, Hyatt, Burks, Metchie, Velus Jones, Toney, Elijah Moore, Terrace Marshall, Schwartz, Bowden, Edwards, Jefferson, WanDale Robinson… there’s been plenty of bad recent SEC guys who went in the top 100 picks or so. Even a guy like Jeudy isn’t really a “hit” (maybe not bust either)

Obviously, a bunch of superstars as well.

The SEC generally produces a lot of great players because it produces a ton of players period. And yeah I think on average, SEC guys pan out at a higher rate because better recruits go to better programs (etc) but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the degree to which you’re suggesting.

You could say the same for almost any position group TBH.

Ohio State definitely seems like WR university though. Hartline clearly has the best eye for WR talent in the country and I don’t think it’s close. Whatever he is doing to recruit those guys is working.
Hartline may have an eye for talent but a lot of guys they get are guys the whole country wants - they have a parade of 5 star receivers bc they throw the ball a ton and always have highly rated QBs
 

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Ran across this tidbit this morning:

“Atlanta, they should have watched the Chicago game,” Belichick said. “Even though they weren’t involved in the Chicago game, they should have watched that. Every team in the league should have watched that. They should have said, ‘If we were in this situation, what would we do?’ At what point would the head coach say, ‘We’ve got to take a timeout,’ or the quarterback, or whoever that is. And when you see things like that come up, that’s a great example. The Cincinnati-Denver game is another one. If I was a head coach, no matter what team I was on, I would watch that with my staff and then go over that with my team and say, ‘Here’s what we do here, here’s what we would do, here’s the type of play we would run, here’s when we would do it.’ And play both sides of it, because you could be on offense or you could be on defense.”
As someone who pegged the Pats for four wins this year and recognized the dreadful state of the roster, this is why I still feel comfortable as a fan passing judgment on Mayo's aptitude and performance. The guy sat in on these meetings for how many years? He didn't appear to learn much from those meetings, and worse, hasn't shown much of a learning curve over this season when clock and other strategic decisions kept blowing up in his face.
 

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As has already been mentioned in this thread, I think, the Patriots would benefit from having a real director of football operations that could run the whole organization. The skill sets involved in coaching are just not necessarily the same as running an organization, just like the skill sets involved in scouting / talent evaluation or negotiation are not the same as coaching.
 

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Ran across this tidbit this morning:



As someone who pegged the Pats for four wins this year and recognized the dreadful state of the roster, this is why I still feel comfortable as a fan passing judgment on Mayo's aptitude and performance. The guy sat in on these meetings for how many years? He didn't appear to learn much from those meetings, and worse, hasn't shown much of a learning curve over this season when clock and other strategic decisions kept blowing up in his face.
There's the old cliche about rookie QBs needing time for the game to slow down for them. I have to imagine that the same applies for head coaches. I suspect Mayo "knows" what the most optimal decision may be in some of the situations that he's botched, but he's not processing fast enough to make that call.

A few weeks back I listened to a radio segment with a couple of NFL reporters, and they each said that they felt Mayo would be a good head coach someday. But they acknowledged that he's clearly overwhelmed right now.

I think the latter supports the former. It's one thing for Mayo to be up in Bob Kraft's office, talking football intelligently. it's quite another to translate that to game day when there are mere seconds to make a decision, the sideline is chaotic, and there are 65,000 fans screaming.
 

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There's the old cliche about rookie QBs needing time for the game to slow down for them. I have to imagine that the same applies for head coaches. I suspect Mayo "knows" what the most optimal decision may be in some of the situations that he's botched, but he's not processing fast enough to make that call.

A few weeks back I listened to a radio segment with a couple of NFL reporters, and they each said that they felt Mayo would be a good head coach someday. But they acknowledged that he's clearly overwhelmed right now.

I think the latter supports the former. It's one thing for Mayo to be up in Bob Kraft's office, talking football intelligently. it's quite another to translate that to game day when there are mere seconds to make a decision, the sideline is chaotic, and there are 65,000 fans screaming.
I think it's why Mayo needed DC experience first. He could get the game to "slow down" for him without the pressures of being HC.
 

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Dianna Russini's latest on the Patriots coaching staff:

"As for the Giants and Patriots, it’s all been very weird, to say the least. Inside those buildings, it seems like most people believe they’ll get more time — specifically the head coaches. But from the outside looking in, there’s a sense from those around the league that moves are coming for both franchises."

"The Patriots’ head coaching job isn’t officially open, but it’s definitely on the radar for people around the league. I’d go as far as to say it’s the job a lot of coaching candidates are eyeing. Why? Drake Maye. In a league where success largely hinges on getting the quarterback right, the Patriots seem to have their guy, and it’s clear that many coaches would love the chance to work with him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6037081/2025/01/04/nfl-news-coaching-rumors-black-monday/
 

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Dianna Russini's latest on the Patriots coaching staff:

"As for the Giants and Patriots, it’s all been very weird, to say the least. Inside those buildings, it seems like most people believe they’ll get more time — specifically the head coaches. But from the outside looking in, there’s a sense from those around the league that moves are coming for both franchises."

"The Patriots’ head coaching job isn’t officially open, but it’s definitely on the radar for people around the league. I’d go as far as to say it’s the job a lot of coaching candidates are eyeing. Why? Drake Maye. In a league where success largely hinges on getting the quarterback right, the Patriots seem to have their guy, and it’s clear that many coaches would love the chance to work with him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6037081/2025/01/04/nfl-news-coaching-rumors-black-monday/
Please.
 

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Vibes: Scouts? Edit: deleted the video as some might find it offensive. Apologies. It's the Scouts? bit from Slapshot. Maybe instead of this old time hockey football and playing hard Maye we can now play Milton in hope of getting the best pick + the coach we want + Drake not getting hurt. Realistic? Probably not. I don't know what Mayo will do this week aside from I bet he tries to win and end the year on a high note. I wouldn't be surprised to see Milton for a half though. I guess at this point with Mayo I wouldn't be surprised with any decision he makes unless it's a good one.
 

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I know it's in vogue to like Detroit right now but they seem like such a cutting edge place that also isn't afraid to buck some trends (think positional value in the draft). If we could get someone from their front office as the GM to pair with Ben Johnson I would be excited. I still have no idea how Johnson would be as a coach. I would rather take a shot at the unknown with that kind of a pairing. Give them a full chance to turn around everything. I might be more excited about the Lions front office person though.

What they have done tying player to scheme is really quite amazing. Gibbs, and Arnold in the draft. Davis in free agency. They had a vision of who they wanted to be and the GM executed that vision in the draft and in free agency. Wasn't perfect, never is, but that's how you do it. I still can't believe they got Branch and Campbell. It is unjust, football gods, what you have put them through with injuries this year.
 

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I know it's in vogue to like Detroit right now but they seem like such a cutting edge place that also isn't afraid to buck some trends (think positional value in the draft). If we could get someone from their front office as the GM to pair with Ben Johnson I would be excited. I still have no idea how Johnson would be as a coach. I would rather take a shot at the unknown with that kind of a pairing. Give them a full chance to turn around everything. I might be more excited about the Lions front office person though.

What they have done tying player to scheme is really quite amazing. Gibbs, and Arnold in the draft. Davis in free agency. They had a vision of who they wanted to be and the GM executed that vision in the draft and in free agency. Wasn't perfect, never is, but that's how you do it. I still can't believe they got Branch and Campbell. It is unjust, football gods, what you have put them through with injuries this year.
Lions Asst GM Ray Agnew would be a great choice to pair with Ben Johnson. Agnew is seen as a future GM.
 

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I know it's in vogue to like Detroit right now but they seem like such a cutting edge place that also isn't afraid to buck some trends (think positional value in the draft). If we could get someone from their front office as the GM to pair with Ben Johnson I would be excited. I still have no idea how Johnson would be as a coach. I would rather take a shot at the unknown with that kind of a pairing. Give them a full chance to turn around everything. I might be more excited about the Lions front office person though.

What they have done tying player to scheme is really quite amazing. Gibbs, and Arnold in the draft. Davis in free agency. They had a vision of who they wanted to be and the GM executed that vision in the draft and in free agency. Wasn't perfect, never is, but that's how you do it. I still can't believe they got Branch and Campbell. It is unjust, football gods, what you have put them through with injuries this year.
Yeah, Agnew would be a great add, and maybe bring Johnson with him (though growing rumors that Johnson wants JAX). Agnew came with Holmes from LAR another really good drafting franchise recently. Though the other name in the front office is John Dorsey, who honestly was good in KC? Amusingly drafts Mahomes and gets fired immediately after. If I remember right Dorsey's issue was he wasn't great at the personal side of stuff, but.... you can get him an assistant GM to help with that, he's a candidate I had forgot about.
 

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Yeah, Agnew would be a great add, and maybe bring Johnson with him (though growing rumors that Johnson wants JAX). Agnew came with Holmes from LAR another really good drafting franchise recently. Though the other name in the front office is John Dorsey, who honestly was good in KC? Amusingly drafts Mahomes and gets fired immediately after. If I remember right Dorsey's issue was he wasn't great at the personal side of stuff, but.... you can get him an assistant GM to help with that, he's a candidate I had forgot about.
Too soon.
 

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Interesting that Agnew is seen as an up and comer considering he retired in 2000 as a player after a 10 year career, and is 57 years old.
 
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