Hold the Mayo? Evaluating Patriots coaching.

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Not attempting to assign specific blame here to Mayo or AVP or Maye, and apologies if this was mentioned upthread, but one sign of a poorly coached team to me wss after the successful fake punt (and due credit to the staff on that), the offense was not prepared for the next play and had to take a timeout, which could have proven valuable at the end of the half. The offense should have been ready immediately and even should have had a play called while running the 4th down play. Inexcusable IMO.
 

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Not attempting to assign specific blame here to Mayo or AVP or Maye, and apologies if this was mentioned upthread, but one sign of a poorly coached team to me wss after the successful fake punt (and due credit to the staff on that), the offense was not prepared for the next play and had to take a timeout, which could have proven valuable at the end of the half. The offense should have been ready immediately and even should have had a play called while running the 4th down play. Inexcusable IMO.
A couple of years ago I was listening to WEEI's morning show (I know, I know, but I had a long drive...), and they had Charlie Weis on for a segment. And Weis mentioned how one of the jobs as offensive coordinator is to have a couple of plays ready to go based on the play call you just sent in. And those pending plays were to be based on a couple of likely outcomes from the play call you just made. For example, as OC, if you call a deep throw on 1st-and-10, you should have a play to call in case the pass is made (presumably in much better field position), as well as a play ready in case of an incomplete pass and another one in case of a check down play that nets 3-4 yards.

A fake punt is about as binary of an outcome as it gets - they would be facing first-and-10 on their own 25 (which was the case), or sending in the defense. So no excuse to not have a play ready, if that was the reason for the timeout.

The only good reason for a timeout there would be if the defensive formation or personnel was something totally unexpected, and given it was late in the first half taking the timeout would be the right call in such a situation.
 

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Was it the next set of downs where they ended up punting anyway? I know there were more yards to gain, but part of me felt like they could have justified going for it on 4th down in that situation.
 

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Not attempting to assign specific blame here to Mayo or AVP or Maye, and apologies if this was mentioned upthread, but one sign of a poorly coached team to me wss after the successful fake punt (and due credit to the staff on that), the offense was not prepared for the next play and had to take a timeout, which could have proven valuable at the end of the half. The offense should have been ready immediately and even should have had a play called while running the 4th down play. Inexcusable IMO.
I just watched back the broadcast version... the ST was slow getting off the field (Mayo is waiving them off), but also, they got the play off, snapped it with 1 still on the clock, so it wasn't a case of having to take a timeout to avoid delay (or if it was Mayo pulled the trigger too early). Impossible to know why they called it there, but the play was in they lined up and were going to snap it in plenty of time, so either Mayo didn't like something on the D, or he panicked and pulled the trigger way too early on preventing a delay
 

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Not a great look even if he didn't mean it as bad as it sounds. If Bill were here they would not be having these issues against the run and they would be giving him very specific things that he had to do to get better. More than anything so far this year This gives me the sense that should be gone.
I feel like he said some innocuous stuff that is being heavily twisted in that article. If I read what he said without her commentary I would think it's just player-speak. Respectfully, I feel like this is a nothing-burger. What did he specifically say that makes you feel that way?
 

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I mean, he’s exactly right re: his run defense, and that reflects well on him and his future. He doesn’t smack of a young DL looking for a place that’ll just let him pin his ears back as a pass rush specialist who doesn’t play 90 plus percent of the defensive snaps.

Whatever.
 

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I feel like he said some innocuous stuff that is being heavily twisted in that article. If I read what he said without her commentary I would think it's just player-speak. Respectfully, I feel like this is a nothing-burger. What did he specifically say that makes you feel that way?
Well it is not on the player to solve these issues alone. It is up to the coaching staff and they have failed to fix the defense against the run this year and that extends beyond missing player x and y.. They don't set the edge well compared to the past and they don't really take good angles to the football as a defense as a whole. I don't think that gets fixed by more individual work in the weight room and watching film or holding yourself accountable but rather a relentless focus in practice on it and holding guys accountable. That's coaching.
 

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Not a great look even if he didn't mean it as bad as it sounds. If Bill were here they would not be having these issues against the run and they would be giving him very specific things that he had to do to get better. More than anything so far this year This gives me the sense that should be gone.
BB ran more DE out of town or benched for failing to contain the QB or set the edge than I can count
 

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I’ve flipped. Mayo out.

Sloppy. Undisciplined. The Stevenson stuff. End it.
 
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“Gibby is going to start for us today." -- Jerod Mayo, to @scottzolak on @985TheSportsHub, when asked about Rhamondre Stevenson's fumbles affecting RB usage today.

of course guess who starts the game and gets the first carry? Rhamondre
 

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I don’t mind giving him another year if there’s any reason to believe he can become an above average nfl coach. I haven’t seen any evidence but I don’t know that much.
 

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I don’t mind giving him another year if there’s any reason to believe he can become an above average nfl coach. I haven’t seen any evidence but I don’t know that much.
He's never going to be an average NFL coach. He's up there with Rod Rust and Dick MacPherson in Patriots history.
 

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Time to clean house. Fire everyone and hire a proper GM and let him hire a HC who hires his staff.
They have cap space and a potential franchise QB. There should be a decent amount of GM candidates that would be interested.
 

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Time to clean house. Fire everyone and hire a proper GM and let him hire a HC who hires his staff.
They have cap space and a potential franchise QB. There should be a decent amount of GM candidates that would be interested.
A total house cleaning and this becomes the premier NFL job this offseason if the Kraft's just open the fucking wallet.
 

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A total house cleaning and this becomes the premier NFL job this offseason if the Kraft's just open the fucking wallet.
Yep. Some coaches might not want to be the guy who replaces Belichick (with a question mark at QB). But replacing Mayo and getting Maye? That's a great opportunity.
 

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Nothing has changed from me. Want them to clean house, don’t think they will but chances are higher than last week. Eagerly waiting SJH’s arrival into this thread cause this week was a real tough one for Mayo and staff. It’s getting too much to ignore.
 

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A week from Monday is a litmus test for if the Krafts are decent owners and not awful ones who hit the fucking lottery with Bill and Tom, right?
Absolutely. This is a disaster. And can only be made worse by inaction.
 

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Got a nice "Fire Mayo" chant from the crowd at the end there. There's going to be a TON of pressure on the Krafts from the media and fans.
 

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I always thought Mc Pherson wa viewed a little unfairly. The team improved year one by quite a bit with no qb, and he was sick bunch of year two
Zo had said they were one of the worst coached teams in 1992 and that team had a lot more talent than this current Patriots team.
 

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Got a nice "Fire Mayo" chant from the crowd at the end there. There's going to be a TON of pressure on the Krafts from the media and fans.
Nice. Only positive to come from this game. Honestly if Kraft doesn’t fire everyone than he’s screwing his season ticket holders.
 

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I don’t see them firing Mayo, but probably should. I’ve been vocal about Wolf getting too much blame for Belichicks failings. This draft looks blah but what if Polk goes full Devonte Adams next year and others hit. FA is hard unless have a draw like Maye unless you want overpay for bleh talent
 

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I don’t see them firing Mayo, but probably should. I’ve been vocal about Wolf getting too much blame for Belichicks failings. This draft looks blah but what if Polk goes full Devonte Adams next year and others hit. FA is hard unless have a draw like Maye unless you want overpay for bleh talent
The receivers are getting zero separation. I’m pretty confident Polk isn’t turning into Davante Adams.
 

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I’d be willing to bet there’s a strong correlation between good pass protection and receivers’ average separation. It’s really difficult to get away from the guy covering you in 2 seconds.

I’m also curious how much the scheme impacts separation, as well. Do more advanced offenses create more separation than our high school level offense?
 

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I don’t see them firing Mayo, but probably should. I’ve been vocal about Wolf getting too much blame for Belichicks failings. This draft looks blah but what if Polk goes full Devonte Adams next year and others hit. FA is hard unless have a draw like Maye unless you want overpay for bleh talent
If Polk becomes the next Devonte Adams that is about a 1 in a 1K+ outcome. You become poor quickly making decisions on 1 in 1K outcomes. It is much more likely Polk is the next Jalen Reagor/Terrace Marshall/JJ Arcega Whiteside/Andy Isabella/Laviska Shenault...
WRs drafted inside the top 50 that show nothing their rookie year almost always amount to nothing the exceptions tend to be players that were hurt the majority of their rookie year and even then they aren't great bets.
 

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If Mayo gets fired, I wonder if he can even get a linebackers coaching job in the NFL. I think he might have to look at positional coaching jobs at the college level.

I'd rather hire someone like Matt Eberflus if I needed a LB coach.
 

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I don’t see them firing Mayo, but probably should. I’ve been vocal about Wolf getting too much blame for Belichicks failings. This draft looks blah but what if Polk goes full Devonte Adams next year and others hit. FA is hard unless have a draw like Maye unless you want overpay for bleh talent
This draft looks worse than any Belichick draft after the first round. 0 of these guys after Maye are worth even inviting to camp next year

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