Hockey "Culture" and Sexual Assault

Van Everyman

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Bob Murray gone, entering alcohol rehab program.

Interesting that the new Hotline the league set up is apparently how these charges first came to light. Notwithstanding Bergman’s shameful behavior in the Blackhawks scandal, this is a good thing.
 

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I thought that had come up in this thread before but I didn't see it.

Another situation where they need a thorough clean-out. The cop needs to get canned too, but we know that ain't gonna happen.

Edit: On second look, we have been discussing this
 

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Danvers superintendent takes unspecified medical leave. This is after she refused to resign but complained that the fallout from the hockey scandal caused her stress and emotional pain:

“For the protection of my own mental health, I had to quickly learn not to look at the social media comments while at the same time take a critical look at how the situation was handled,” Dana said.
Fear not, however, because she may be able to go away for six months and still come back to her $197K/year job:

Dana’s contract calls for her to receive 15 sick days a year, which she may accumulate year to year up to 175 days, according to a copy the district provided the Globe. The district may terminate her contract if she is unable to perform her duties for a continuous period of 90 days beyond her accrued sick days, the document states. Yea
 

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More lawsuits are headed the Blackhawks way. A John Doe 3 has filed suit already. He was raped by Aldrich at Miami University in 2012. An investigation into Aldrich's time at Miami University found John Doe 3's report to be credible. Apparently, John Doe 3 did not report the incident to authorities until 2018. The Miami campus police passed him off to the local Oxford police who told him it was outside the statute of limitations.

There's also 2 possible lawsuits. One from Black Ace 1 from the original report from Jenner & Block. A potential 3rd suit coming from former skills coach Paul Vincent who states he was punished/pushed aside because he pressured Blackhawks exectuives to report Aldrich to police.

View: https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1489281517163466752?s=20&t=w1b0ELMpGrk2O0UrUcMgSw


This all breaks the day after Blackhawks Chariman Rocky Wirtz blew up at a reporter who asked what steps the Blackhawks have taken to empower players and ensure that a situation like Beach's won't happen again. Wirtz said they won't talk about it and they've moved on.

Here's the exchange:

View: https://twitter.com/WallMaz35/status/1489036176937861121?s=20&t=05KVDwpLcuzAMGzE-S4yPw
 

Marciano490

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This is really disheartening. None of these people can even pretend to care? Does hockey have an Al Davis or even a Mark Cuban who can light shit up?
 

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This is gross, and reaffirms my decision to sit this year out.
 

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Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving World Junior players

This happened in 2018. What’s it going to take to get these kids to understand you can’t do this stuff…when the names come out (and they will) some careers could be ruined, and running to the KHL isn’t even an option anymore.
That’s exactly what it’ll take. The problem is NHL teams don’t have the discipline to hold that line. I mean, Logan Mailloux asked not to be drafted and the Habs took him in the first round. And at least he realized he did wrong.
 

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I stopped listening to Chiclets when they started going hard lamentation of 'cancel culture' - not that they don't create good content, but by that point I was all set. Doesn't look like much has changed.
 

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Is there a clip or are we good to draw conclusions absent actual context?
Lets say that you were given the power to create a context, post hoc, that could make that sentence *not* really shitty. What would it be?
 

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It could be plenty of things. Given what I know of Biz and the lack of any follow up coverage my guess is it was a shitty throwaway line but I’m curious to see what the context is before and after as well as hear what he actually said versus a summary of some rando aspiring media member on Twitter. As a general rule (yes exceptions exist) I tend to like to hear jokes in the context with which they were made vs read them in text. I don’t see the need to jump to a conclusion until otherwise. Your mileage varies and that’s fine.
 

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Lets say that you were given the power to create a context, post hoc, that could make that sentence *not* really shitty. What would it be?
Wait, it's shitty now to say that people like to watch attractive people do things?
 

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Wait, it's shitty now to say that people like to watch attractive people do things?
No. It's shitty to say THE ONLY reason people watch people do things is because they are attractive. It's subtle, but there's a difference.

The statement (as posted above, assuming it is accurate) is implying that main reason women watch the game isn't because they enjoy/understand the hockey, it's because they only want to watch the pretty men play sportsball. It's pretty misogynistic as written, in my opinion.
 

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It's dumb as hell. They wear helmets, many have face shields;, the uniforms are heavily padded and there aren't a lot of close ups in the coverage (and in the rink you can't see jack unless you are behind the bench).

Given that, it's pretty demeaning to suggest half the female audience watch because the guys are good looking.
 

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Then it sure is a good thing the quoted tweet doesn't say that.
You're being obtuse, although I suppose there are two ways to look at it:

On one hand, he could have meant that half the women who watch hockey only watch it because they like the way the men look.

One the other hand, he could have meant that the main reason (a full 50% of the reason) that all women watch hockey is because the men are good looking.

Convince me of which one is less misogynistic.
 

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I think his likely intent was to make a lighthearted quip about Tyler Seguin's good looks. Of course I have no real idea because all we have to go off of is a Nathan Strauss tweet that has only appeared to be picked up a small handful of aggregator websites.
 

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You're being obtuse, although I suppose there are two ways to look at it:

On one hand, he could have meant that half the women who watch hockey only watch it because they like the way the men look.

One the other hand, he could have meant that the main reason (a full 50% of the reason) that all women watch hockey is because the men are good looking.

Convince me of which one is less misogynistic.
You're the one mentally adding the word "only" to the comment to make it seem worse. What's closer to his point is that fewer women would watch if the men were less attractive.

It's like saying more women would watch a movie starring Brad Pitt than the same movie starring an equally good actor who's less attractive. It's not saying some women are there ONLY because Brad Pitt is attractive. Brad Pitt is also a good actor. But some women who are there would not be there if the actor was less attractive.
 

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It’s not at all like saying that, to the point that it’s an utterly non-serious comparison.

What’s the average amount of time a viewer sees the handsome face of a player while watching on TV or attending a game, or is it just enough to know that there’s someone attractive under that visor, such that it’s half the reason the league has female fans?

I mean, this is pretty fucking silly at this point. You don’t have to reflexively defend everything. @kenneycb ‘s wish for the full quote and additional content makes sense, and it seems rather unlikely to be a hanging offense in any event, but come on. It’s pretty plainly dismissive of the notion that women just like hockey for the hockey.

I mean, you don’t get to misrepresent what is reported to have been said to lessen its impact and then scold the next guy for inaccurately presenting it.
 

joe dokes

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What's closer to his point is that fewer women would watch if the men were less attractive.
Even though he didn't say that, I'm not sure that helps him. He shouldn't project his own viewing habits onto women who watch the NHL.
 

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It’s pretty archaic too beyond just the misogyny. Today’s modern woman has more than just 3 channels and some monthly magazines if she wants to see watch men do handsome stuff.
 

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My daugther has her "rookie party" for her college wrestling team which began a discussion of hazing. In the 80s when I played college hoops we had one guy on our team who badly wanted us to emulate the hazing on hockey teams. He went as far as to have some hockey pals come in and tell us what theyhad endured/inflicted on others. Evan at that long ago time we were appalled. All the rituals involved the new players being naked and sexually assaulted, sodomized, etc. There are still some pretty infuential coaches, etc who defend those past actions.