Hockey "Culture" and Sexual Assault

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Cheveldayoff and Quenneville should be gone from their jobs. Both originally denied knowlege of the allegations until June 2010. The investigation seems pretty clear that both were involved in senior meetings soon after the allegations were made. Quenneville in particular seems to have played a role in the "hockey team first, sexual assualt second" decision making process.

View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1453072759131676674?s=20


View: https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453072361956249602?s=20
 

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Cheveldayoff and Quenneville should be gone from their jobs. Both originally denied knowlege of the allegations until June 2010. The investigation seems pretty clear that both were involved in senior meetings soon after the allegations were made. Quenneville in particular seems to have played a role in the "hockey team first, sexual assualt second" decision making process.

View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1453072759131676674?s=20


View: https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453072361956249602?s=20
Yeah, he's gone. I don't expect to see him behind the bench at least by Sunday's game against the Bruins if not tomorrow's. He'll resign before meeting with Bettman.
 

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That was a very tough read. The senior team guys like McDonough, Bowman, and Quenneville all seem to have severe memory problems or are liars of the highest order.
 

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General timeline here:

- May 8/9 2010- John Doe assaulted by Aldrich
- May 23. 2010- Chicago VP of Hockey Administration, Al McIssac is made aware of the allegations. He sends John Gary (mental skills coach and team counselor) to talk to John Doe. Gary hears a troubling story and believes John Doe. Not sure exactly what he did next, but the assumption is he reports back which leads to...
- May 23, 2010- In the immediate aftermath of winning the WCF (within an hour or so) a meeting occured between senior management about the allegations. Those present were John McDonough (tem president), McIssac, Bowman (GM), Cheveldayoff (AGM), Quenneville, John Gary, Jay Blunk (EVP). They discuss what to do. Overwhelming theme is Stanley Cup takes precedent, we don't need bad PR now, don't need to disrupt team chemistry. Sounds like the recollections of this meeting differed quite a bit. This is where Bowman says McDonough ended the meeting saying he'd take care of it.
- Aldrich is allowed to remain with the team. On June 10th he allegedly made a sexual advance on a Blackhawks intern during team Stanley Cup celebrations.
- June 14th, McDonough informs Human Resources of the allegations and the 5/23 meeting.
- June 16th Aldrich meets with HR and is given the choice between undergoing an investigation or resigning. Aldrich resigns, and essentially dictates the terms of his separation including his day with the Cup.
 

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Quenneville needs to be fired, or Bettman needs to suspend him indefinitely. Under no circumstances should he be standing behind the bench of a NHL team this year, or anytime soon. Not only did he lie about knowing, he gave Aldrich a fucking glowing recommendation after Aldrich has already resigned!

It would be nice if the NHL really dug into that organization, because I doubt this is the only instance sweeping things under the rug...any organization where "veteran leadership" consists of Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews isn't exactly going to be embracing "hockey is for everyone".
 

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What have Kane and Toews done to suggest that not to be the case? The closest thing to controversy I can find on Toews is an underage drinking charge from North Dakota. Kane had a sexual assault charge in Buffalo that the DA later deemed to be a hoax, punched a cab driver when he was 20, and liked to party in his early 20s.
 

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What have Kane and Toews done to suggest that not to be the case? The closest thing to controversy I can find on Toews is an underage drinking charge from North Dakota. Kane had a sexual assault charge in Buffalo that the DA later deemed to be a hoax, punched a cab driver when he was 20, and liked to party in his early 20s.
The poster may be suggesting that there is more about Kane and Toews that was not brought to light by the scummy Blackhawks. At least that was my take.
 

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What have Kane and Toews done to suggest that not to be the case? The closest thing to controversy I can find on Toews is an underage drinking charge from North Dakota. Kane had a sexual assault charge in Buffalo that the DA later deemed to be a hoax, punched a cab driver when he was 20, and liked to party in his early 20s.
It's all rumor and I can't point to any source because this is just what I've heard from folks more deeply connected into the hockey world than I am, but I have not heard great things about Kane and Toews as leaders or about the culture in Chicago more generally. Given the blind eye the organization turned here, and the behavior of members of the organization towards the victim afterwards, I get a distinct "Washington Football Club" impression, and I'd like the league to ensure that the team hasn't turned a blind eye towards homophobic or misogynistic behavior given the league's professed goals.
 

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There was scuttlebutt from somewhere when Kane was accused of sexual assault that Toews was a fellow horndog. There are few good rumors.
 

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It's all rumor and I can't point to any source because this is just what I've heard from folks more deeply connected into the hockey world than I am, but I have not heard great things about Kane and Toews as leaders or about the culture in Chicago more generally. Given the blind eye the organization turned here, and the behavior of members of the organization towards the victim afterwards, I get a distinct "Washington Football Club" impression, and I'd like the league to ensure that the team hasn't turned a blind eye towards homophobic or misogynistic behavior given the league's professed goals.
It was mentioned in the investigation findings that Blackhawks players called John Doe derogatory words in training camp and asked him if he missed his boyfriend Brad. We don’t need to speculate that the locker room was toxic. It’s all right there.
 

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There was scuttlebutt from somewhere when Kane was accused of sexual assault that Toews was a fellow horndog. There are few good rumors.
Mentioned this years ago, but my ex knew Kane well, until he cheated on her BFF with an underage (16/17 year old) girl.
 

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Hard to blame them. It's Bettman's problem not theirs. Not yet anyway. Anything they say now would get picked apart and analyzed and condemned. No need to get their hands dirty yet.
 

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It was mentioned in the investigation findings that Blackhawks players called John Doe derogatory words in training camp and asked him if he missed his boyfriend Brad. We don’t need to speculate that the locker room was toxic. It’s all right there.
It’s cool though, Brent Sopel went to Pride one year

The NHL should fire everyone from that organization into the sun. That Quenneville and Cheveldayoff haven’t resigned out of shame is astounding on its own.
 

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Hard to blame them. It's Bettman's problem not theirs. Not yet anyway. Anything they say now would get picked apart and analyzed and condemned. No need to get their hands dirty yet.
At the very least, they should suspend him with pay until the meeting/ruling of the commissioner if they are going to take a hands off approach.

The right thing to do would be to fire him, but it doesn’t appear that is on their radar.
 

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At the very least, they should suspend him with pay until the meeting/ruling of the commissioner if they are going to take a hands off approach.

The right thing to do would be to fire him, but it doesn’t appear that is on their radar.
Fair enough. I would think they would like him to go away without having to pay him.

Side note: I remember the goalie named Tim Cheveldae. Is it weird now there is a guy name Tim Cheveldayoff? Not funny but odd.
 

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I just still don’t understand why they didn’t just fire the video guy immediately when they first heard the allegation. It makes you wonder what they were worried about him saying about some of the more high profile members of the organization that he may have spent time reviewing video with.
 

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I just still don’t understand why they didn’t just fire the video guy immediately when they first heard the allegation. It makes you wonder what they were worried about him saying about some of the more high profile members of the organization that he may have spent time reviewing video with.
Instead of firing him they gave him a Stanley Cup ring, a day with the Cup, he went to the parade, and Q gave him a glowing recommendation (that he now doesn't remember writing), all after being told what the guy did. It boggles the mind.
 

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I just still don’t understand why they didn’t just fire the video guy immediately when they first heard the allegation. It makes you wonder what they were worried about him saying about some of the more high profile members of the organization that he may have spent time reviewing video with.
They didn't want a distraction, both publicly and internally, before and during the Stanley Cup. Simple as that. They were made aware of the allegations the day of game 4 of the WCF. That's when the power meeting occured to discuss the matter, less than an hour after they swept San Jose. They were probably high on the win and intoxicated. Bad recipe for decision making. Unclear exactly what happened, but it seems like the consensus was to get through the Cup and then McDonough would handle it. They won the Stanley Cup in Philly on 6/9. On 6/14, McDonough informed HR of the allegations and 2 days later is when HR approached Aldrich with the leave or be investigated offer.

It was all about the Cup. That was their priority. The period of inaction spans the Cup and immediate celebrations.

Quenneville's meeting with Bettman is tomorrow in NYC.
 

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Instead of firing him they gave him a Stanley Cup ring, a day with the Cup, he went to the parade, and Q gave him a glowing recommendation (that he now doesn't remember writing), all after being told what the guy did. It boggles the mind.
I expect any team from Florida to Florida the crap out of this. That means their undefeated start is more important than victim rights, the integrity of the league, their team and the game, and doing the right thing.

They are cowards, and I expect them to say they admonish Q for what happened, but he's moved on, it was a long time ago, and they are moving forward "in a positive direction".

They all should be fired or resign, but they won't, and Bettman won't push them.
 

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From today's The Athletic:

“The Director of Human Resources stated when interviewed that she could not recall informing McDonough or MacIsaac about Aldrich’s departure, but assumed she informed each of them and believed she personally informed Quenneville,” the report stated. “When interviewed, McDonough stated that he was not aware of when or why Aldrich left the Blackhawks, and stated that he assumed it was a coaching decision. MacIsaac stated when interviewed that he was not involved in the decision regarding Aldrich’s separation and did not know whether Aldrich was terminated or left on his own accord. Quenneville stated that he was not involved in discussions about Aldrich’s separation and he did not know the circumstances of Aldrich’s separation.”

That about sums it up.

https://theathletic.com/2915605/2021/10/26/greenberg-blackhawks-were-guilty-of-indifference-cowardice-during-stanley-cup-run/
 

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Quenneville, asked today, stuck to his initial statement from this summer that said he had no knowledge of the situation until after Aldrich left.

View: https://twitter.com/mattyports/status/1453369866405269508?s=20


The report clearly contradicts his statement. I'm guessing he'll feign ignorance (forgot about the meeting it was 11 years ago, took place in the aftermath and haze of victory, had a few beers, etc.) and pass the buck to his superiors, like what Bowman is doing. Bettman gives him a token fine and suspension, sends him on his merry way.

Hope I'm wrong. The report clearly identifies him as someone who pushed to sweep this under the rug, when then enabled Aldrich to abuse another member of the organization. Quenneville should be out of hockey.
 

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Quenneville, asked today, stuck to his initial statement from this summer that said he had no knowledge of the situation until after Aldrich left.

View: https://twitter.com/mattyports/status/1453369866405269508?s=20


The report clearly contradicts his statement. I'm guessing he'll feign ignorance (forgot about the meeting it was 11 years ago, took place in the aftermath and haze of victory, had a few beers, etc.) and pass the buck to his superiors, like what Bowman is doing. Bettman gives him a token fine and suspension, sends him on his merry way.

Hope I'm wrong. The report clearly identifies him as someone who pushed to sweep this under the rug, when then enabled Aldrich to abuse another member of the organization. Quenneville should be out of hockey.
I'm no lawyer but this must be a legal tactic. "I don't remember". This is going on right now in LA over Kobe Bryant's widow's lawsuit against the sherriff's department sharing cell phone photos of the crash victim's. When questioned, no one remembers anything, don't remember what I was told, don't remember who told me, or didn't tell me. It must be effective.
 

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I just still don’t understand why they didn’t just fire the video guy immediately when they first heard the allegation. It makes you wonder what they were worried about him saying about some of the more high profile members of the organization that he may have spent time reviewing video with.
It seems pretty clear that Q liked the guy and wanted to keep him. He wrote him a recommendation, he said he didn't want a distraction during their cup run. This guy shouldn't work another day in the NHL. None of them should. I expect very few consequences, though. This is the NHL.
 

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It sucks for the victim, but there's enough details in the report where people can ID him fairly quickly through a hockeydb search.
 

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It sucks for the victim, but there's enough details in the report where people can ID him fairly quickly through a hockeydb search.
yup - check out the names on this list - seems people are already doing that

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Watching this interview now in Canada. Holy shit the courage Kyle Beach is showing is incredible. God bless this guy. I hope he finds peace and comfort.
 

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Bring everyone down that was in that organization when that happened. Every single one. What they did to turn their back on Kyle Beach is beyond anything I can comprehend. If that’s my son, im suing the shit out of the Blackhawks and the NHL.
 

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Concise local reporting on Beach’s statement & fall out within the Blackhawks org.

Did Coach Q know?

Earlier this year, Quenneville released a statement claiming he first learned of Beach’s allegations through the media this year. But the team’s internal investigation revealed he and others recalled a 2010 meeting to discuss the incident in which Quenneville appeared agitated and angry about the allegation and he didn’t want it to upset the team’s chemistry going into the Stanley Cup finals.
 

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Everybody involved in this coverup has gotta get the black mark. Complete banishment from the league permanently. I sincerely doubt Bettman has the guts to do that but that is absolutely what should happen.
 

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Sounds like Q is done. Absolute shit stain move by the panthers to have him behind the bench tonight. Jonathan Toews telling on himself too. What a bunch of horrible pieces of shit.
 

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Maybe Q is being truthful when he says he doesn't remember any meetings. (I doubt it, but let's play along.)
So what? All that means is that he can't deny the recollections of others that say he was at meetings and said and did those things.
"I don't remember" is only good if no one else remembers.

Toews can fuck right off:

"To me, Stan and Al, make any argument you want, they're not directly complicit in the activities that happened," Toews said. It’s obviously a tough day, regardless of mistakes that may have been made, for someone like Stan, who has done so much for the Blackhawks — and Al as well — to lose everything they care about and their livelihoods as well.I don’t understand how that makes it go away, to just delete them from existence and (say), ‘That’s it, we’ll never hear from them again.’”
 
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