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Personally I'd rather he hit second, at least when there's another credible leadoff guy available (Kike'). I'd rather he had the opportunity to follow someone that has a fairly good chance of getting on base every time he comes to bat rather than following the #9 hitter
 

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This has to be his first sniff at free agency, so I'm guessing he'll entertain offer. That said being here has given him some insight into the players and organization, so good or bad he does have that to consider. Would we want him to? I'd be more than OK with him being here, but it depends on if he's got a position to play, if JDM is still here and the $$ and years of the contract.
 

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He was a free agent last year, wasn’t he? Resigning really seems to depend on what position they think he can play, what happens with JD, and obviously what kind of contract he is looking for. I think JD opts out but if he doesn’t, where does he fit? If he can play a competent 1b, opens up more options.
 

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Do we have any idea of Scwarber would re-sign in Boston? Would we want him to?
Yeah, I would want him to re-sign. The guy is a crazy good hitter. Obviously he's been hot, but watching his command of the zone, and his ability to hit the ball the other way when he needs to ...if he can rotate between first, left, and DH ... would be lovely to have him stick around.
interested to know how other folks feel.
 

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Do we have any idea of Scwarber would re-sign in Boston? Would we want him to?
Depends on the money and depends on the money.

I like him more than JD going forward but I wouldn't give him the JD contract. 3/50? 4/60? I dunno. Not 5/110.
 

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Yeah, I would want him to re-sign. The guy is a crazy good hitter. Obviously he's been hot, but watching his command of the zone, and his ability to hit the ball the other way when he needs to ...if he can rotate between first, left, and DH ... would be lovely to have him stick around.
interested to know how other folks feel.
I would love to have him back. You can't have enough hitters like him. Patient with power and can hit for average? Definitely try to re-sign him. It may free up Verdugo to be used in a possible trade for pitching. Your OF could be Schwarber/Duran/Renfroe with Kike rotating in there at CF.
 

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I would love to have him back. You can't have enough hitters like him. Patient with power and can hit for average? Definitely try to re-sign him. It may free up Verdugo to be used in a possible trade for pitching. Your OF could be Schwarber/Duran/Renfroe with Kike rotating in there at CF.
Or Duran if other GMs prefer him over Verdugo.
 

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The determining factors regarding whether the Sox want to sign him are what Martinez does and how much money will be added to the payroll. That being said I'm a huge fan of players with very good OBP skills who also hit for power and can play multiple positions with at least an average skill level. At the most basic level a hitters job is to keep the line moving while seeing as many pitches as possible. Waste the pitcher and give your teammates looks at as many pitches as you can.

I would like him signed.
 

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The determining factors regarding whether the Sox want to sign him are what Martinez does and how much money will be added to the payroll. That being said I'm a huge fan of players with very good OBP skills who also hit for power and can play multiple positions with at least an average skill level. At the most basic level a hitters job is to keep the line moving while seeing as many pitches as possible. Waste the pitcher and give your teammates looks at as many pitches as you can.

I would like him signed.
It will also determine how the CBA negotiations go and if they end up imposing a lower CBT threshold level. If the CBT threshold comes down to where MLB wants it($180 million) or near there, the Sox will be right up against the tax. Currently, Cot's has them at $136,725,000 and that is not including arbitration raises. Devers, Renfroe, and Verdugo should get hefty raises or in Devers' case a huge extension. What originally would be a ton of room in which to work with may shrink considerably depending on how those negotiations go.
 

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He was a free agent last year, wasn’t he? Resigning really seems to depend on what position they think he can play, what happens with JD, and obviously what kind of contract he is looking for. I think JD opts out but if he doesn’t, where does he fit? If he can play a competent 1b, opens up more options.
Yes, you are correct. He was non tendered in his final arbitration year with Chicago, putting him on the market a year earlier than he would have been and then Washington signed him to a one year $7 MIL deal with a mutual $11 MIL option for next season and a $3 MIL buyout.
 

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I would love to have him back. You can't have enough hitters like him. Patient with power and can hit for average? Definitely try to re-sign him. It may free up Verdugo to be used in a possible trade for pitching. Your OF could be Schwarber/Duran/Renfroe with Kike rotating in there at CF.
If possible, with an off season to work at it, I'd rather see Schwarber as a 1B/DH who has the ability to go into the outfield ONLY when needed. Duran is young and may improve, but ATM, I'm not getting the warm fuzzies with Schwarber and Duran playing side by side in the outfield. I also like the idea of Schwarber being around some of the younger guys on this team and perhaps share some of his hitting approach with them. I know that JD has been credited with helping out teammates, IIRC Devers has given him a great amount of credit for the success that he's been having. Right now this team desperately needs to learn some plate discipline.
 

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Yep. Sox payroll obligations for next year are pretty steep

Sale 25.6
Bogaerts 20.0
Eovaldi 17.0
Price 16.0
Barnes 9.4
Hernandez 7.0
Sawamura 1.5

thats $96M for 6 players. If JD picks up his option ($22m) you are up to close to $120M, before you deal with arbitration for Devers, Verdugo, Renfroe, Pivetta, Taylor, Plawecki, and Arroyo. Vazquez has a $7m option. You’ve got a few pre arb guys in Dalbec, Whitlock, Houck, Davis but you have a lot of holes and not a lot of players who appear ready to fill those holes at low salaries.

Sox are going to have to blow past the CBT threshold to even bring the same team back.
 
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Schwarber’s approach with the Sox has been great, but he’s a career .340 obp guy. If you give him a 5 year, $75m type deal he’s really got to be the guy he’s been this year. Given the teams other holes and salary commitments / payroll parameters going forward, I think it’s going to be difficult to bring him back unless he can play first and you can turn Dalbec into some cheap pitching.
 

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Does Schwarber want to play 1B? Will that be a factor for him in deciding where he wants to play next?

Not snark, just a question that I think may already have been asked of him by Boston media already. I'm curious if that is something that he actually wants to do.
 

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Does Schwarber want to play 1B? Will that be a factor for him in deciding where he wants to play next?

Not snark, just a question that I think may already have been asked of him by Boston media already. I'm curious if that is something that he actually wants to do.
I would think if he doesn't want to play 1B, he would have said no when they asked him to try (and he's managed a start there without incident so far). That doesn't rule out him deciding after experiencing it that he doesn't want to do it any more. I''d say it's too early to make that call one way or the other.
 

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That is certainly possible, but I think a lot of players under contract will be a good soldier and try to do what the team wants them to do even if it isn't their preference. What I was wondering is there was an interview or something where he expressed that preference or a desire to play the position.
 

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Schwarber’s approach with the Sox has been great, but he’s a career .340 obp guy. If you give him a 5 year, $75m type deal he’s really got to be the guy he’s been this year. Given the teams other holes and salary commitments / payroll parameters going forward, I think it’s going to be difficult to bring him back unless he can play first and you can turn Dalbec into some cheap pitching.
His barrel rate and ability to control the strike zone have so improved that I don’t find his career OBP mark to be all that indicative of the type of hitter going forward.

Others have noted this but Schwarber has excelled against pitches high in the strike zone this year (.409 wOBA). Most major league hitters have trouble there (league average .251 wOBA), and some of our regulars (JDM, Devers, Dalbec) have really gotten eaten up by them.

He seems to me like a strong bet to remain an elite hitter in his age 29-32 seasons. I think Bloom should do whatever he can to keep him here. The clearest path is trading Dalbec and letting Schwarber handle first a year before shifting to DH in ‘23. But I think I’d rather trade Verdugo, who’d get a better return and would open left field for Bogaerts in 2023.
 

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His barrel rate and ability to control the strike zone have so improved that I don’t find his career OBP mark to be all that indicative of the type of hitter going forward.

Others have noted this but Schwarber has excelled against pitches high in the strike zone this year (.409 wOBA). Most major league hitters have trouble there (league average .251 wOBA), and some of our regulars (JDM, Devers, Dalbec) have really gotten eaten up by them.

He seems to me like a strong bet to remain an elite hitter in his age 29-32 seasons. I think Bloom should do whatever he can to keep him here. The clearest path is trading Dalbec and letting Schwarber handle first a year before shifting to DH in ‘23. But I think I’d rather trade Verdugo, who’d get a better return and would open left field for Bogaerts in 2023.
Why are they trading probably their best cost-controlled young talent to open up a position for a guy that has never played that position who might not even still be on the team? Unless you get a crazy offer Verdugo is pretty untradable to me.
 

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Why are they trading probably their best cost-controlled young talent to open up a position for a guy that has never played that position who might not even still be on the team? Unless you get a crazy offer Verdugo is pretty untradable to me.
Because this year anyway, he’s been a platoon hitter (.534 OPS vs. LHP) with a 50% groundball rate and power numbers better suited for a middle infielder (.143 ISO, which ranks 42nd among 52 qualified outfielders).

If it weren’t for the extra arb year, there’s a case to be made that Renfroe is our best cost-controlled young talent. Verdugo is a good player, but I think we need more offense out of whoever’s playing left field in Fenway. I’m not wild about Duran, but he seems like a likelier fit in LF than CF (if he’s not traded), and like a lot of folks on this board I think LF could be a long-term option for keeping Bogaerts in town.

Verdugo arrived as a guy who could hit both lefties and righties equally. He hasn’t been that guy this year. If Bloom thinks that’s irreversible, then he should absolutely be traded.
 

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Because this year anyway, he’s been a platoon hitter (.534 OPS vs. LHP) with a 50% groundball rate and power numbers better suited for a middle infielder (.143 ISO, which ranks 42nd among 52 qualified outfielders).

If it weren’t for the extra arb year, there’s a case to be made that Renfroe is our best cost-controlled young talent. Verdugo is a good player, but I think we need more offense out of whoever’s playing left field in Fenway. I’m not wild about Duran, but he seems like a likelier fit in LF than CF (if he’s not traded), and like a lot of folks on this board I think LF could be a long-term option for keeping Bogaerts in town.

Verdugo arrived as a guy who could hit both lefties and righties equally. He hasn’t been that guy this year. If Bloom thinks that’s irreversible, then he should absolutely be traded.
Renfroe will be 30 years old by next year, he's not young. He's also having a worse year than Verdugo and has a worse track record. Verdugo has played 3 years as at least a semi regular player and all 3 are better than any year Renfroe has had in his 5 year career, it's great that they got him for nothing and he's having a very good year, but I don't see any case for him being better than Verdugo over the next several years.
 

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Verdugo and Renfroe are both arb eligible, so while they are under team control, they aren’t really cost controlled. They will both get big raises this year.

Verdugo seems like a candidate for a long term deal…Renfroe will prob be here one more year, tops…Assume they will want Duran playing regularly….

Could certainly envision Verdugo being traded for young pitching but it’s not as if the Sox are flush in OF prospects ready to step in.

No one on the roster is locked up for more than a few years so anything could happen….
 

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Verdugo and Renfroe are both arb eligible, so while they are under team control, they aren’t really cost controlled. They will both get big raises this year.

Verdugo seems like a candidate for a long term deal…Renfroe will prob be here one more year, tops…Assume they will want Duran playing regularly….

Could certainly envision Verdugo being traded for young pitching but it’s not as if the Sox are flush in OF prospects ready to step in.

No one on the roster is locked up for more than a few years so anything could happen….
Verdugo Duran Renfroe is a very viable 2023 outfield, Hernandez will be a free agent by then or he could end up at 2nd depending on if Downs looks like he could be a contributor by then.
 

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Verdugo Duran Renfroe is a very viable 2023 outfield, Hernandez will be a free agent by then or he could end up at 2nd depending on if Downs looks like he could be a contributor by then.
I'm hesitant to pencil Duran in for 2023 until he shows more than he's shown so far. Shit, I don't want him presumed to be in the 2022 lineup yet.
 

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Verdugo and Renfroe will be a lot more expensive in ‘23, though. As will everyone else on the team…that’s kind of the challenge with having a bunch of guys in short term deals or in arb; you have to pay a lot more to keep them.

The team is in desperate need to integrate cheap pre arb players so you really have to hope Duran and others are productive players or else the payroll skyrockets and / or we are stuck with the depth issues we had this year.
 

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I like his play in LF at Fenway. But he was pretty bad on occasion in Cleveland. I am wary of his playing first base. I prefer someone with more stretch than I think he's made for. If JDM leaves, I can see him as a combination LF (Fenway) and DH (away).
Last night, during his interview with Webster, I really got to like him as a teammate. He went down a list of important contributions by his teammates, even saying, don't forget how important the walk by Shaw. He knows how to appeal to Boston fans all right.
 

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Give him 5/120 to DH/1B/LF. Just do it. The guy is just a goddamn monster. He's built for Fenway, and he's basically a secondary hitting coach apparently.
I'm warming to this (though I suspect the cost might not be quite so high). Just make it work with one year of JD and then DH will always be there for him.
 

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I'm warming to this (though I suspect the cost might not be quite so high). Just make it work with one year of JD and then DH will always be there for him.
I think Bloom is confident enough to move JD for peanuts (or a better snack if he pays some of the freight) if he thinks that having both is unworkable.
 

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I think Bloom is confident enough to move JD for peanuts (or a better snack if he pays some of the freight) if he thinks that having both is unworkable.
Must sign him. He’s been my favorite non-Sox player since he came up. He’s Papi, Jr. I think he’s going to get better.
 

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I love the guy but I'm still cautious. He's been a tantalizing but disappointing hitter with craptastic defense up until this season... with the craptastic defense unimproved.
There are issues with Devers, Dalbec and X along with a potential All Star in Casas all with limited defense. I just don't know how to juggle that mess without a (mostly) full time DH.
Been discussed around here often but long term solution is likely to keep everything as is in '22... hope that Dalbec can put up a consistent .800+ OPS 30HR season and would make for a good trade after '22. Add Casas to 1B and then figure out the Casas/Devers/Schwarber platoon with X moving to 3b?
There's too many variations to go into and it has to get considered- along with considerations that this could be an outlier season for Schwarber or something that is permanent (or at least permanent for 4-5 more seasons....).
But right now, as it is... yeah... I want that guy on our team and I'd like to see JDM- ideally option picked up then traded.
 

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I hope they find a way to keep him. Fun player to watch. Always clutch in the playoffs, and a sure fire 40+ HR guy if he stays healthy all year.
 

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He also seems like the kind of guy who can keep other guys loose. I think that can be a fairly important aspect of clubhouse leadership.
He does seem to have that Napoli-Moreland vibe. Trotsky has a point, though, it's not just a binary him-or-JD question, even if you think his bat will keep playing.
 

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I don’t know another midseason acquisition that took to Boston as well and as quickly as Schwarber, not even Eovaldi.

I hope he returns for the Tampa series, but it’s possible JDM may have played his last game in Boston. Either way, I hope Bloom offers Schwarber a contract tomorrow if he hasn’t already.
 
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I don’t know another midseason acquisition that took to Boston as well and as quickly as Schwarber, not even Eovaldi.

I hope he returns for the Tampa series, but it’s possible JDM may have played his last game in Boston. Either way, I hope Bloom offers Schwarber his own 5/$110M contract tomorrow, if he hasn’t already.
Jake Peavy comes to mind.
With JD’s injury, had Bloom not picked up Schwarber last night’s lineup would not have been quite as strong.
 

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Jake Peavy comes to mind.
With JD’s injury, had Bloom not picked up Schwarber last night’s lineup would not have been quite as strong.
Steve "2018 World Series MVP" Pearce would like to be added to this conversation.
The guy was a Red Sox for only a couple of weeks and already had more HR against the MFY than probably even he himself can remember now...
 

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Some guy named Orlando comes to mind too.
Steve "2018 World Series MVP" Pearce would like to be added to this conversation.
The guy was a Red Sox for only a couple of weeks and already had more HR against the MFY than probably even he himself can remember now...
I’m not talking about guys who merely performed well for us in August and September.

It’s a little subjective, but I’m wowed by how quickly Schwarber acculturated to Boston. His comment the day after he was traded that Fenway was one of the last “real ballparks” left; his postgame press gaggle after his costly error; Cora praising him as a major clubhouse influence after just two weeks of games; his work helping a player he ostensibly was brought in to replace; Devers leaping into his arms like a bear cub after the Game 162 win; this tweet:

View: https://twitter.com/kschwarb12/status/1444820057134145543?s=21


Maybe this is all posturing for his next contract (it doesn’t hurt), but he just seems like a guy who really wants to stay here. And man he’s a great fit.
 

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I’m not talking about guys who merely performed well for us in August and September.

It’s a little subjective, but I’m wowed by how quickly Schwarber acculturated to Boston. His comment the day after he was traded that Fenway was one of the last “real ballparks” left; his postgame press gaggle after his costly error; Cora praising him as a major clubhouse influence after just two weeks of games; his work helping a player he ostensibly was brought in to replace; Devers leaping into his arms like a bear cub after the Game 162 win; this tweet:

View: https://twitter.com/kschwarb12/status/1444820057134145543?s=21


Maybe this is all posturing for his next contract (it doesn’t hurt), but he just seems like a guy who really wants to stay here. And man he’s a great fit.
There's a big difference to be "apart" of something and "a part" of something. I'm suspicious!!!
 

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I love the guy but I'm still cautious. He's been a tantalizing but disappointing hitter with craptastic defense up until this season... with the craptastic defense unimproved.
There are issues with Devers, Dalbec and X along with a potential All Star in Casas all with limited defense. I just don't know how to juggle that mess without a (mostly) full time DH.
Casas is, and will be, a fine first baseman. If he were still playing third, he'd be limited. And at his size he shouldn't be playing the OF. But he's actually a good 1B. And his arrival turns Dalbec into a hugely valuable trade chip. Especially as Casas would be both an offensive and defensive upgrade. That's a win win in my book. The more interesting problem is where do you play Jordan as he blazes his way through the minors?