Heyman: Ellsbury to sign seven-year deal with Yankees
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"There's no way I can go play for the Yankees, but I know they are going to come after me hard. It's definitely not the most important thing to go out there for the top dollar, which the Yankees are going to offer me. It's not what I need."
-Jacoby Ellsbury
-Jacoby Ellsbury
CoRP said:
And sign Steven Drew to play SS.
This sucks. I am depressed. The Red Sox got significantly worse at two positions today. Do they plan to use their all important payroll flexibility to improve the Red Sox? Or Liverpool?
No need to improve when we've got cant miss phenoms like Hassan, Castellanos, and Carp.Plympton91 said:
JimBoSox9 said:
Cano will be worth less to us as a third baseman (and *much* less to us as a first baseman) than he will be to some other team as a second baseman. So for the Sox to sign Cano, they'll almost have to seriously overpay for the value they get.
This is also really reactive thinking. "The Yankees took our guy, so let's take their guy." If signing Robinson Cano wasn't a good idea for the Sox three hours ago, then it still isn't.
BSF: that last sentence is the most important. It sucks bad that he's leaving, it sucks more that it's to the MFY. But he helped deliver two World titles to Boston, so thanks to Jacoby.
Damon said pretty much the same thing before heading to NY after the 2004 season.CaskNFappin said:
hferris said:
I'd assume that's part of the nearly $37 million listed under "money owed by other teams to the Yankees."
BosRedSox5 said:
But if you were offered $150,000,000, you damn well would take it, and you'd be nuts if you didn't. Because that is multi-generational wealth which, if sensibly handled, means your kids, grandkids and great grandkids don't have to worry about money.
Different sport and different town, but Ells is simply going down the Damien Woody path: earn your rings one place, make your money another.
EDIT -- It's pretty amusing because if anyone in the you're-dead-to-me crowd had a son in Ells' position, that person would advise that son to sign on with Boras and hold out for the last fucking dollar. But is someboy else's kid does it, then it's high treason.
Plympton91 said:
Really? I mean, I can see this being a thing a year or two ago...but the Sox just won a world series. It's not like they're gonna fire-sale the team ala Marlins.
Sadness enveloping. Really couldn't happen to a nicer guy. But did it have to be the MFY's??? Sure he'll get the standing O upon his first return to Fenway. A VERY long ovation. After that...he's a MFY. Spent some time with him a couple weeks ago. He wanted to come back to Boston. The nicest guy, wish him the best except against us.
YTF said:
I think this is key; most people assumed Jacoby would get at least 6 years, and at least 120 million, and probably most of us thought that Jacoby wouldn't be playing for the Red Sox in 2014. But it still sucks that the place he's going is the MFY.
CaskNFappin said:
Don't forget Vazquez! And Swihart; no single A catching prospect has ever failed to become an all-star!
So subtract Cano and Kuroda and the money from other teams (Wells, Soriano) and they have
~$47,000,000 for third base, second base and two (I think three) starting pitchers plus some relief depth.
It's doable for sure, but not if Cano eats up
most of that.
~$47,000,000 for third base, second base and two (I think three) starting pitchers plus some relief depth.
It's doable for sure, but not if Cano eats up
most of that.
Really? Sox will be competitive over the long run as long the Yankees plan is to just throw big money at marquee 30 somethings. Some years it will work, some it won't, but it's much less dangerous to the Sox than if they ever put together a good young core and then used their payroll advantage to build around it. I'll certainly take the Sox next five years over the Yankees next five yearsPlympton91 said:
Even if the MFY weasel out of paying A-Rod in 2014, chances are he'll be back for at least most of 2015.
In 2015-16-17, they're looking at:
Rodriguez (21 million - 20 million - 20 million)
McCann (18 million - 18 million - 18 million)
Teixeira (22.5 million - 22.5 million - 22.5 million)
Sabathia (23 million - 25 million - 25 million/vesting)
Ellsbury (call it 22 million - 22 million - 22 million)
So roughly $105 million/year for five players. None of whom figure to be good pitchers during that time. If they add Cano, figure there's another $24 million annually on top of that.
The only real dough coming off the books between now and then is Jeter (who'll need to be replaced), Kuroda (who'll need to be replaced).
I can't figure out how they build a pitching staff, especially without minor league chips to trade. Old school power baseball for the knuckle draggers at Der Stade Fasciste.
In 2015-16-17, they're looking at:
Rodriguez (21 million - 20 million - 20 million)
McCann (18 million - 18 million - 18 million)
Teixeira (22.5 million - 22.5 million - 22.5 million)
Sabathia (23 million - 25 million - 25 million/vesting)
Ellsbury (call it 22 million - 22 million - 22 million)
So roughly $105 million/year for five players. None of whom figure to be good pitchers during that time. If they add Cano, figure there's another $24 million annually on top of that.
The only real dough coming off the books between now and then is Jeter (who'll need to be replaced), Kuroda (who'll need to be replaced).
I can't figure out how they build a pitching staff, especially without minor league chips to trade. Old school power baseball for the knuckle draggers at Der Stade Fasciste.
My brain is glad and my heart is sad. Thanks for the memories, Jacoby (ESPECIALLY stealing home against Andy Pettitte), and here's hoping the yanks have overpaid for your decline. Yeah, I know money usually wins out, hey, it's a business, but the MFYs? Oh, well.
When the fuck aren't you depressed or whining about the Sox payroll? Your world must be a dark place.Plympton91 said:
I was thinking this as well and wondering where the Sox could actually improve at this point. I'm starting to think long and hard about Tanaka. Our farm system is stacked, but we don't have any top of the line starting pitching prospects, and the posting fee loading seems to fit our luxury tax concerns. Why hasn't there been more talk about this? Not even a Tanaka thread.Plympton91 said:
beta1296 said:
That sounds beautiful for a girl.
If we had a girl, we were going to name her wheelbarrow.
ivanvamp said:
I get that but the fact that the Sox got significantly worse at two positions TODAY? Flipside of that might be that with the money saved TODAY they may be in a position to get significantly better.
CaskNFappin said:
If you're gonna jump, just get it over with. The water is cold enough this time of year that you'll be well preserved for the funeral even if they don't drag you from the Charles for a few days.
Or, more seriously, the Red Sox have one of the best farm systems in the entire game, including Xander Bogearts, who actually is a phenom, and a replacement for Ellsbury who stands a good chance to be an above average major leaguer in JBJ. They also have one of the best hitters in the minors in Garin Cecchini, one of the best catching prospects in Blake Swihart, another catching prospect in Christian Vazquez who has the tools to be a very good all around catcher starting the year in Pawtucket, and an exciting young guy by the name of Mookie Betts drawing the attention of the big minor league publications and websites. In other words, they stand as good a chance as any team of feeding a couple of superstar players into their major league roster in the next few years... and that's before we get into what is one of the deepest and most exciting crop of pitching prospects in the game.
The future is incredibly bright, even after the loss of Ellsbury.
I'm trying not to hate this.
But I f'ing hate this.
I don't want to root against the guy, but now I have to, and I will, and I will be sad doing so.
So, in sadness, I say, I hope your arms pops off in February, Jacoby.
But I f'ing hate this.
I don't want to root against the guy, but now I have to, and I will, and I will be sad doing so.
So, in sadness, I say, I hope your arms pops off in February, Jacoby.
We could see this one coming but now that it's here...it really sucks. And it's going to continue sucking for a few more years at least. Ellsbury is a great fit for the Yanks and may well be worth the money for them over the next few years. Short porch in right. Big center field to cover. Speed on the bases distracting opposing pitchers. Jeter slapping the ball to right so Jacoby can easily take third...going to be a lot of that kind of thing. Not looking forward to seeing jacoby in pinstripes. One of my favorite Sox players ever....a freakin' Yankee.
This does nothing to change, IMO, the biggest threat in the division - the Rays.
If in another world Ells had gone there (or, hell, even Baltimore), I'd be much more concerned. The Yankees have to improve in about half a dozen additional areas before I get really worried about what's happening in the Bronx.
If in another world Ells had gone there (or, hell, even Baltimore), I'd be much more concerned. The Yankees have to improve in about half a dozen additional areas before I get really worried about what's happening in the Bronx.
YTF said:
Yeah, the Sox got worse at CF today, but only marginally worse at C. The problem is that, as I pointed out in the AJ thread, the Yankees went from Stewart to McCann while the Sox went from Salty to Pierzynski. Quite a nice little switcheroo for New York.
Nonetheless, I think most of us figured Ells was gone anyway, so the fact that he went to NY just sucks, but it doesn't change who the Sox are. Even if they went to battle with the team they have RIGHT NOW, it would still be a very good baseball team. Not as good as last year's, but still very good.
YTF said:
I really don't see how they got significantly worse in replacing a guy who was benched for the 2nd half of the WS. AJP while he isn't a fan favorite on SOSH is a dirt dog. Never thought I would see anyone labeled as a grinder hated on this site.
Let's see if he earns that injury prone moniker that some here have bestowed on him.
That may be the only fun part of this for us during the first 4-5 years of that contract.
That may be the only fun part of this for us during the first 4-5 years of that contract.
And no long term contracts for $20+ million/year to guys on the wrong side of 30 have ever failed to work out well!Plympton91 said:
dcmissle said:
Multi-generational inherited wealth can rot a family out from the inside, if the kids aren't raised right...but I've always been willing to take that risk.
Plympton91 said:
Letting Ellsbury go is about achieving sustainable success, not short-term gains. Wrong sport and wrong team, but to quote Sam Presti, "Like every team in professional sports, our goal is to win a championship. We believe in order for us to achieve sustained success, we first have to put ourselves in position where year-in and year-out we are positioned to be among a handful of teams that believe that if they execute and have a little good fortune along the way can impact the post-season and be the last team standing. We feel that we are amongst that handful of teams currently, but we also want to ensure that our players and organization stay in that position for the foreseeable future. It is essentially trying to improve your odds of achieving your goals by allowing yourself increased opportunities."
ivanvamp said:
Yeah a nice little switcheroo, but they spent a shit ton in $$$ and years for McCann and Ells and still have no left side of the infield and holes in the rotation.
It'd be great to have an emotional dump thread to cut out this sort of noise from this thread.Maureen Adele said:
As much as it sucks to see Ellsbury go to the Yankees I'm very glad the Sox front office didn't go 7 years for him. As much of an albatross as this contract would be for every other team if he doesn't age well or isn't durable, it really won't impact the Yankees. If the ARod/Texeira/CC/Jeter etc. contracts don't limit them, this certainly won't. And I expect them to re-sign Cano and go after SPs.
With that said, I love the potential this team has over the next few seasons with the young talent, solid SP, and payroll flexibility to go after elite talent they deem worthy of long-term commitments. I agree with them that Ellsbury wasn't that guy.
With that said, I love the potential this team has over the next few seasons with the young talent, solid SP, and payroll flexibility to go after elite talent they deem worthy of long-term commitments. I agree with them that Ellsbury wasn't that guy.
For those saying we can't be pissed at Ellsbury for going to NY, since when are we not allowed to have a negative reaction to a long time, very good Sox player going to their biggest rival to make more money? It's his right to take the biggest deal. It's our right to dislike him for it.
And how soon do you think the Yanks' PR machine and their announcers are going to start comparing Ellsbury to Joe Dimaggio? Can't take longer than a day, right?
The funny thing is that every year I buy the "THIS is the year we're sticking to a budget and rebuilding the farm system" song and dance. Sucky he had to go to them but whad'ya going to do?
JimD said:
Exactly. Cashman was quoted over and over as having to replace 400 innings... so he doles out 238 million to McCann and Ells...
If I were a Skanks fan I would be furious at Cashman for giving this kind of money to two players while at the same time missing the chance to snatch up Fister from Detroit.
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