Hey, How About They Trade Pedroia!

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Along the lines of improving run differential without chasing increasingly scarce RH sluggers, I see the team's defense as another area of significant improvement. Although runs will be hard to come by, this is potentially a great defensive team:

C Vazquez
1B Napoli
2B Pedroia
SS Marrero
3B Bogaerts
LF Betts/Nava
CF Bradley/Betts
RF Victorino/Betts/Holt
Maybe it's a pipe dream, but picture the same 2015 line-up w/ Pedroia (& possibly another piece (or multiple) such as Barnes or Middlebrooks or Buchholz) traded for a corner slugging RH outfielder, preferably RF. Betts takes over secondbase. Victorino, Nava and Holt battle it out for LF or RF depending on what corner OF is filled by THE trade. Holt becomes the super utility as he's done this year and is your first choice to start when the inevitable injuries occur. Cecchini converts to LF full time in Pawtucket. What happens to Middlebrooks, Doubront and Buchholz?
 
For Starters ideally you have Lester, Lackey (another discussion), FA signing, De LA Rosa, and whichever top pitching prospect is ready among Ranaudo or Webster, whichever one loses the battle becomes part of your pitching depth while pitching as a starter in Pawtucket. Keep Doubront as a swing man for more depth perhaps? Owens and Johnson ideally are both a year behind.
 

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Maybe it's a pipe dream, but picture the same 2015 line-up w/ Pedroia (& possibly another piece (or multiple) such as Barnes or Middlebrooks or Buchholz) traded for a corner slugging RH outfielder, preferably RF. Betts takes over secondbase. Victorino, Nava and Holt battle it out for LF or RF depending on what corner OF is filled by THE trade. Holt becomes the super utility as he's done this year and is your first choice to start when the inevitable injuries occur. Cecchini converts to LF full time in Pawtucket. What happens to Middlebrooks, Doubront and Buchholz?
 
For Starters ideally you have Lester, Lackey (another discussion), FA signing, De LA Rosa, and whichever top pitching prospect is ready among Ranaudo or Webster, whichever one loses the battle becomes part of your pitching depth while pitching as a starter in Pawtucket. Keep Doubront as a swing man for more depth perhaps? Owens and Johnson ideally are both a year behind.
Just curious, why would you want to trade Pedroia? and why would you let Holt battle it out for a starting position? To me Holt needs to be starting.
 
Pedroia is too good to get rid of and he isnt demanding max pay.  Why not see if Betts can handle short or see if he pans out in the OF or see if Holt can play third with X at SS.  I told my wife early in the season that Holt looks like a top notch batter in the league (due to his batting approach).  This was during his first callup.  Really excited about his season so far. 
 
To keep with the thread I would, at this point in the season, I would try to trade Douby and Breslow. 
 

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Pedroia's defense is every bit as amazing as jbj's and saves countless runs. This speculation about trading him seems to assume that's easily replaced. If it were, there would be zero market for Pedroia.
 

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Pedroia's defense is every bit as amazing as jbj's and saves countless runs. This speculation about trading him seems to assume that's easily replaced. If it were, there would be zero market for Pedroia.
I'm all for blowing up the 2014 Sox. But Pedroia is not an option to be moved, he is the identity of this team. It's ridiculous to think that Mookie Betts can step right in and replace him. Pedroia also has one of the best contracts in baseball when you compare him to his peers.

This team is not going to become the Houston Astros and go small payroll the next few seasons much to the chegrin of a few posters here. I want to see what the "kids" can do as well but don't think for a second this team wouldn't deal most of those "kids" for a shiny new toy named Stanton. The Boston Red Sox will never fall out of the top 10 in payroll the market is too big and the prices to go to the game are too high.
 

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Maybe it's a pipe dream, but picture the same 2015 line-up w/ Pedroia (& possibly another piece (or multiple) such as Barnes or Middlebrooks or Buchholz) traded for a corner slugging RH outfielder, preferably RF. Betts takes over secondbase. Victorino, Nava and Holt battle it out for LF or RF depending on what corner OF is filled by THE trade. Holt becomes the super utility as he's done this year and is your first choice to start when the inevitable injuries occur. Cecchini converts to LF full time in Pawtucket. What happens to Middlebrooks, Doubront and Buchholz?
 
For Starters ideally you have Lester, Lackey (another discussion), FA signing, De LA Rosa, and whichever top pitching prospect is ready among Ranaudo or Webster, whichever one loses the battle becomes part of your pitching depth while pitching as a starter in Pawtucket. Keep Doubront as a swing man for more depth perhaps? Owens and Johnson ideally are both a year behind.
So what happens in 2016 when Vic is gone, Nava is 33 and showing age related decline while hitting his arb years, and Holt is exposed as just a good utility guy?
 
And who is the slugging RH corner OF we can get so easily by trading Pedroia, but not via any other kind of trade?  Stanton?  If the Sox wanted him they would be able to get him with farm hands already in-house.  I'm sure a package of Swihart + Owens would get the ball rolling and given that Swihart is following Vazquez and Owens is following the Pawtucket quartet it would result in a better Red Sox 25 man roster.
 
As for Betts, I'll reiterate a point I've mentioned on this forum before.  The Red Sox gave JD Drew $15M per to play RF.  They're paying Victorino $13M per.  It is pretty clear that the organization sees a RF with center field range, a good arm, and the potential to post an OPS north of .750 as an incredibly high value player.  Under that premise I don't see how Betts loses a cent of value to this organization as it's long term right fielder (same for Bradley if he winds up there instead) versus playing 2B, CF, etc..  Fenway has unique dimensions and the Sox clearly look to establish a home field defensive edge in RF as a result.
 
The club's offense depends on if the young guys start hitting and to what degree.  One slugging corner OF isn't going to fix the problems with this team if Bogaerts, Bradley, etc. continue to be black holes.  The Red Sox with Pedroia right now rank 3rd in WAA league-wide at 2B.  The only other positions where the club is even in the top half right now is 1B (7th) and DH (15th).  This team has plenty of holes to fill without creating another one by inviting transition at the one constant they have, and signed long term at a bargain price no less.
 
Honestly, I wish the Sox had given Pedroia a full no-trade clause with his extension just to put ideas like this to rest once and for all.  Competitive clubs do not dump the face of their franchise signed well below market rate giving top of his position production in some crazy shuffling of the deck chairs move to fix a different hole.
 

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Pedroia's defense is every bit as amazing as jbj's and saves countless runs. This speculation about trading him seems to assume that's easily replaced. If it were, there would be zero market for Pedroia.
Either I'm not communicating well or a few others are reading what they want to. It's because Pedroia still has value that I'd like to trade him, it's the most likely way to get value back, trade something of value. This team going forward needs offensive help and the OF is the best place to start ( yes 1B too)  The team is at least two years away from contending. Here's Pedroia's OPS+ year by year from 23 YO, 112,123,110,127,131,114,116, and at 30 YO-103. That is a bell shaped curve there. He's a small man who plays all out and now that he's on the wrong side of 30 why does anyone expect the return of 120+ OPS Pedroia, the one that we have not seen in 3 years? Does that mean he's not a good player? Of course not but he's no longer 27 YO Pedroia which appears to be the perception by many here. Why not take advantage of that and use an organizational strength and cover an organizational (not team) weakness and that means there is no help coming from within, therefore the answer lies from without. This is common sense, binkies be damned. This team because of all the rookies likely will not contend for a few years and by then 33 YO Pedroia clearly will even be less likely to be 27 YO Pedey. So maybe we keep him around another year to better align his value with the rise of the team back into contention. We root for the uniforms not the names no matter how much some of us fool ourselves.
I never said Mookie would replace Pedroia right away, however Mookie's best position in the minors was second base, per soxprospects, " Excellent instincts and profiles as a plus defender at second base".  and to reach Pedey's offensive level he needs an 103 OPS+, the bar is not as high as you think. It solves two problems at once. Fodder for those who think.
 

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There continues to be no way the Red Sox will trade Pedroia, I don't understand why you keep beating your head against this brick wall. 
 

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The problem isn't that people don't understand what you are saying they just don't agree that what you are proposing is a realistic scenario.
In a fantasy league it might happen but not in the real world.
 

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I'm not communicating well.
Couldn't agree more.
 
The idea of trading Pedroia might have some ancillary, somewhat-exciting possibilities attached to it. That said, there is a nearly non-existent chance it will come to pass, for good reasons having to do with on-field concerns and off. The discussion of it feels sort of pointless and wrongheaded, especially when there are very many permutations that actually have a chance of happening.
 

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Couldn't agree more.
 
The idea of trading Pedroia might have some ancillary, somewhat-exciting possibilities attached to it. That said, there is a nearly non-existent chance it will come to pass, for good reasons having to do with on-field concerns and off. The discussion of it feels sort of pointless and wrongheaded, especially when there are very many permutations that actually have a chance of happening.
Way to take it out of context, read the original post. Many, myself included, thought they would never trade Nomar. Everyone is tradeable, everyone. His team friendly deal increases the possibility of a trade. If the team wants to build the next great Sox team than can contend for many teams years to come then utilizing by trading their older valuable assets can speed the process up without decreasing their long term assets, thus keeping the window of contention open longer. Now why wouldn't you want to do that? 
 

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Way to take it out of context, read the original post. Many, myself included, thought they would never trade Nomar. Everyone is tradeable, everyone. His team friendly deal increases the possibility of a trade. If the team wants to build the next great Sox team than can contend for many teams to come then utilizing by trading their older valuable assets can speed the process up without decreasing their long term assets, thus keeping the window of contention open longer. Now why wouldn't you want to do that? 
His team friendly actually decreases the likely hood of a trade, by a fair bit actually. 
 

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Way to take it out of context, read the original post. Many, myself included, thought they would never trade Nomar. Everyone is tradeable, everyone. His team friendly deal increases the possibility of a trade. If the team wants to build the next great Sox team than can contend for many teams to come then utilizing by trading their older valuable assets can speed the process up without decreasing their long term assets, thus keeping the window of contention open longer. Now why wouldn't you want to do that? 
 
Which is why if you look at his entry in Cot's, you'll see: limited no-trade protection
 

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Way to take it out of context, read the original post. Many, myself included, thought they would never trade Nomar. Everyone is tradeable, everyone. His team friendly deal increases the possibility of a trade. If the team wants to build the next great Sox team than can contend for many teams to come then utilizing by trading their older valuable assets can speed the process up without decreasing their long term assets, thus keeping the window of contention open longer. Now why wouldn't you want to do that? 
When you frame it in a way that makes someone look stupid by arguing such a point, then yes I would want to do that...in reality, Pedroia IS the centerpiece of the next great Sox team....He still produces....He IS a winner...a dirtdog...the poster boy of every franchise. When the all-time best closer on the rival team says he would pick you to be on his team over every 2nd baseman that has played behind him, then you keep that guy.  Why would you trade that piece away for unproven commodities?
 

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His team friendly actually decreases the likely hood of a trade, by a fair bit actually. 
More teams can afford him and assuming the Sox are rebuilding, he's one of the few valuable chips we have right now. He will be at the tail end of his prime when in a best case scenario we contend again. In that context how can your premise be correct because that is the parameters I'm going with here.
 

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More teams can afford him and assuming the Sox are rebuilding, he's one of the few valuable chips we have right now. He will be at the tail end of his prime when in a best case scenario we contend again. In that context how can your premise be correct because that is the parameters I'm going with here.
 
They aren't rebuilding, at least not in the sense that they're 2-3 years away from being a contender and having a player in his prime right now is a waste.  The rebuilding of this team started with the Punto trade in 2012.  That rebuilding process didn't end with the championship last year.  The championship was a fortunate and unplanned by-product of the way they went about the rebuilding process.
 
This team can be a World Series contender next year.  It isn't going to take a lot to get there, either.  They just need to have a fair number of the young players progress as hoped, the incumbents to perform at or above career norms (which most aren't doing this year) and fill the gaps with the right veteran acquisitions.  Its the formula that led to the title last year, no reason it can't work again.  Trading the franchise cornerstone isn't something that fits that formula.
 

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More teams can afford him and assuming the Sox are rebuilding, he's one of the few valuable chips we have right now. He will be at the tail end of his prime when in a best case scenario we contend again. In that context how can your premise be correct because that is the parameters I'm going with here.
Because he's on a very cheap contract that you can still build around, for one. 
 
Secondly, the Red Sox are not going to rebuild, I don't even understand why you think that's likely. They have a HUGE chunk of talent in AAA and AA. Calling those players up, or trading them for MLB proven talent is a much more likely route than burning the roster to the ground. 
 

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Because he's on a very cheap contract that you can still build around, for one. 
 
Secondly, the Red Sox are not going to rebuild, I don't even understand why you think that's likely. They have a HUGE chunk of talent in AAA and AA. Calling those players up, or trading them for MLB proven talent is a much more likely route than burning the roster to the ground. 
I would go a step further. It's a mistake, in my view, to think they've scrapped or deviated from a plan. All that's happened is that one element of the plan has accelerated. They're not bagging 2015.

I am as much a proponent of going younger as anyone. But some of these guys are going to be traded for youngish veterans. You could print money on it -- that's how safe and sure a bet it is.
 

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When you frame it in a way that makes someone look stupid by arguing such a point, then yes I would want to do that...in reality, Pedroia IS the centerpiece of the next great Sox team....He still produces....He IS a winner...a dirtdog...the poster boy of every franchise. When the all-time best closer on the rival team says he would pick you to be on his team over every 2nd baseman that has played behind him, then you keep that guy.  Why would you trade that piece away for unproven commodities?
Who said I was trading away for an unproven commodity? that's on you. I would not trade him to trade him, I like Pedey too. He has value, plays excellant defense and is still above average offensively. I'd even bet he has a year or two left in him that bucks his downward offensive trend. The Sox have a black whole in the OF and there is nothing on the horizon down on the farm. We have an abundance of infield talent and a dearth of it in the outfield. The OPS+ evidence I provided showed a multi-year downward trend while you provide anecdotal evidence, sorry but that is fan boyish and this is the real world.
 

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They aren't rebuilding, at least not in the sense that they're 2-3 years away from being a contender and having a player in his prime right now is a waste.  The rebuilding of this team started with the Punto trade in 2012.  That rebuilding process didn't end with the championship last year.  The championship was a fortunate and unplanned by-product of the way they went about the rebuilding process.
 
This team can be a World Series contender next year.  It isn't going to take a lot to get there, either.  They just need to have a fair number of the young players progress as hoped, the incumbents to perform at or above career norms (which most aren't doing this year) and fill the gaps with the right veteran acquisitions.  Its the formula that led to the title last year, no reason it can't work again.  Trading the franchise cornerstone isn't something that fits that formula.
It seems to me they are rebuilding, even though they would never admit it, but I readily admit that whatever they are planning they have contingencies to alter their plans based on multiple factors. I don't disagree with anything you said as it's every bit as valid just a different plan/vision.
 

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It seems to me they are rebuilding, even though they would never admit it, but I readily admit that whatever they are planning they have contingencies to alter their plans based on multiple factors. I don't disagree with anything you said as it's every bit as valid just a different plan/vision.
Working in good young players is not rebuilding, so I'm not seeing the leap there that you are.
 
EDIT: Also, why not Papi while you're at it? Would you trade David Ortiz?
 

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It seems to me they are rebuilding, even though they would never admit it, but I readily admit that whatever they are planning they have contingencies to alter their plans based on multiple factors. I don't disagree with anything you said as it's every bit as valid just a different plan/vision.
 
You seem to have trouble with some of the terminology that frequently gets used here.  Rebuilding is not what the Sox are doing, just like lottery tickets are not reclamation projects.  The Red Sox have been very public about trying to transition to a new core while remaining competitive.  That means hanging on to valuable veteran assets and team leaders will be vital to the success of that middle of the road approach.  You may disagree with the front office about whether this is a wise course of action or not, but it is very clearly not a team that is rebuilding.
 
If you ask anyone in the front office and they were to answer honestly, I doubt any of them would agree that they aren't likely to contend for 2 or 3 more years.  There is a very real possibility that they could contend in 2015 and I'd be surprised if they weren't a playoff team in 2016.
 

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Trading Pedroia without his consent would torpedo goodwill for the Sox among players around MLB (and within the organization). That's not necessarily an insurmountable problem, but it's not wise to grab a fistful of nettles if you don't really have to.
 

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There should be a built in script that auto bans anyone who suggest they trade Dustin Pedroia. He's the crown jewel of this franchise and the guy they want all their up and coming farm hands to emulate.
 

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This is not the Oakland Athletics. They have zero margin for error on maximizing the value of every asset ever to remain competitive. The Red Sox do.
 
The premise of your argument is not entirely un-sound from a "could this potentially be the maximum value that the team could ultimately reap from this player?" The answer is of course that you might well be right. You might well also be very, very wrong. This team doesn't need to make those kinds of bets.
 
You're also ignoring the fact that the business of baseball is in fact about people. Much like the Lester discussion, the Red Sox brand name means more and would make me feel better (selfish, I know) if it was not simply a heartless mercenary business. It helps me feel better not rooting for the Yankees. Nomar was traded after he made it known that he wasn't happy here. Pedroia bleeds red sox red.
 
You could also argue that every time you trade a guy on a team friendly contract, you make it that much less likely that anyone will ever do that again.
 
You could also argue that this guy sets a fantastic example for the kids coming up and that every successful team needs guys like that to be leaders.
 

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Additionally, they've worked very hard to create a clubhouse culture that is all about close bonds both with teammates and the city.  Look at how sad Peavy is about the realization that he's going to be traded.  That mentality is driven by players like Pedroia.  If you want the next core of the team to also operate that way, you don't trade the prime example of a superstar who loves it there so much he took a discount to ensure he could finish his career in Boston.
 
I mean, what reason would any of these kids have to want to sign long term at anything less than full market value if the fan favorite former MVP who did it before them got traded shortly after the ink on his new contract was dry?
 

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Trading Pedroia without his consent would torpedo goodwill for the Sox among players around MLB (and within the organization). That's not necessarily an insurmountable problem, but it's not wise to grab a fistful of nettles if you don't really have to.
 
Exactly. Pedroia took a huge hometown discount to stay here and help the Red Sox win as many championships as possible. Dealing him would be absolute PR suicide. We're not the Yankees. Players don't just come here for the money. They come to Boston because the organization is well run, the ownership is respected and after years of just bringing in mercenary ballplayers, they're seen as a player friendly team. Dealing Pedroia absolutely tanks that. 

Even if that weren't a factor, which it most definitely is, what possible reason would there be to trade him? He's the total package. He's an absolutely terrific defensive second baseman and his bat is much better than average for his position. Despite the fact that his bat has flagged a bit, he still managed a 6.6 WAR (BBref) which is damned close to what he achieved in his MVP season. He's an elite talent who's hugely popular among the fans, the media and his teammates. 

Trading Pedroia would be absolutely mental. It doesn't even bear discussing IMO.
 

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There should be a built in script that auto bans anyone who suggest they trade Dustin Pedroia. 
 
Breaking it out into its own thread is a more deserving treatment
 

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If you trade a guy who gave you a hometown discount, how would you expect anyone else to ever do that again, until there is a new administration
 

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I wonder what they could get for the post-career rights to the memory of Ted Williams and Yaz too, both of whom were churlish in the extreme and are clearly beyond their prime. Maybe the Padres or the Yanks would give us a decent middle reliever or OF prospect for the numbers 8 and 9 up in the RF plus the statues. I mean what good are they really doing the current team? Any objection would be purely fanboyish sentimentality divorced from the 'real world'.
 

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I feel like the perceptions of the 2014 and future Red Sox teams are colored more by last years WS run than they should be. No one including most sane people on this board predicted what we saw last year after the debacle of Valentine in 2012. The Sox had nearly every thing go in their favor last year that possibly could and like the guy at the roulette table who has hit red 8 spins in a row, many are looking for that 9th red number to come up on the wheel instead of realizing that we overachieved last year (with a great result that I'd not trade obviously) and that this year's results are what we "should" have seen last year - the bridge year as it were. The core of this team (Pedroia, X, JBJ, Papi etc) aren't going anywhere if this team has the master plan we all think they do and will be contending next year and the year after as planned. 
 
Last year's WS win shouldn't change the plan or force us to reset the clock in anyway. 
 
No one is going to trade Pedey.
 

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The problem isn't that people don't understand what you are saying they just don't agree that what you are proposing is a realistic scenario.
In a fantasy league it might happen but not in the real world.
 
Just which post(s) of which recent thread(s) you were referring to?   
 

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that's why I said different administration even know the ownership is the same here but Cherrington is general manager now Arroyo was under Theo sorry voice to text program
 

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Why would you trade a guy who has much greater value to you than he would to any potential trade partner. 
 

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Just ask Arroyo
 
If Arroyo were a high-profile established veteran with a Cy Young on his resume and had become the face of the franchise, the comparison would be more apt. Plus, the contract he signed (while he could have gotten more) also made him a multi-millionaire for the first time. It just doesn't have the same resonance of ill treatment.
 

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I'd honestly stop watching this team for a good half decade at least if they traded Pedroia.
 

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Watch this sketch and replace "My mom is a MILF" with "I think we should trade Dustin Pedroia."
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdXry79EifM
 

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Because he's on a very cheap contract that you can still build around, for one. 
 
Secondly, the Red Sox are not going to rebuild, I don't even understand why you think that's likely. They have a HUGE chunk of talent in AAA and AA. Calling those players up, or trading them for MLB proven talent is a much more likely route than burning the roster to the ground. 
 
The Red Sox are on track to build a winner for 2015 and try to win the World Series in 2015.  I'm not sure what Pedroia trade makes that more likely, just like I don't see how letting Lester walk would make that more likely.
 
AJP/Vazquez was a first step to improving our chances of winning in 2015, not the start of any major rebuild.  We have so much youth, and can get a clear idea in the second half which are ready to be big contributors in 2015, and which are role players/trade chips/also rans.  Improving the back end of our rotation and finding an impact bat on a shorter contract or via trade are definitely important.  I think Peavy has little 2015 value in the AL East and will be traded, but I think Koji, etc have definite 2015 value and will be kept.
 
So any deal you propose, make sure it conceptually makes us better in 2015 as well as the long run, and I'm pretty sure that Pedroia at his current contract is not somehow overvalued by a potential trade partner enough to give us an imbalanced haul in return.
 

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I wonder what they could get for the post-career rights to the memory of Ted Williams and Yaz too, both of whom were churlish in the extreme and are clearly beyond their prime. Maybe the Padres or the Yanks would give us a decent middle reliever or OF prospect for the numbers 8 and 9 up in the RF plus the statues. I mean what good are they really doing the current team? Any objection would be purely fanboyish sentimentality divorced from the 'real world'.
See, now this is some outside-the-box thinking. I'll go a step further--what about the rights to Fenway--or even Boston itself? Domestic travel has improved leaps and bounds; we're not contending for a few years, who's to say we can't pry a nice handful of lottery tickets (would need to be in multiples of three, obviously) from a team looking to tap into that rich history? So we'll play some road games the next few years--that's stopping anyone? (Fanboys, maybe)
 

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Trading Pedroia would be absolutely mental. It doesn't even bear discussing IMO.
 
Well, what about the age of some of their starting position players? Ortiz will turn 39 before the end of the year and he's really their only power bat. Napoli, second on the team with 10 HR, will turn 33 in October. Victorino will be 34 before the year is up and he is having problem's coming back from an injury. Gomes will be 34 this years. Nava will turn 33 before next season starts.
 
If Pedroia is as great as the vast majority on this board think he is then other clubs might also feel the same and be willing to give up quite a bit for him, a whole lot more than they could get for Napoli or Gomes or Drew or Victorino or Nava. Get a lot for him before the inevitable decline in performance that aging brings on.
 
Home-twon discounts are the Red Sox fault. They can afford to pay the going rate. So why do they keep spending millions of dollars on aging free agents and patchwork signees? Get young, with a low payroll, then play the free agent market as needed. Don't bild your club through it.
 

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They better trade him to a Japanese team, otherwise the guy will absolutely burn Fenway to the ground every time he's in town. Maybe literally.
 

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OttoC said:
 
Well, what about the age of some of their starting position players? Ortiz will turn 39 before the end of the year and he's really their only power bat. Napoli, second on the team with 10 HR, will turn 33 in October. Victorino will be 34 before the year is up and he is having problem's coming back from an injury. Gomes will be 34 this years. Nava will turn 33 before next season starts.
 
If Pedroia is as great as the vast majority on this board think he is then other clubs might also feel the same and be willing to give up quite a bit for him, a whole lot more than they could get for Napoli or Gomes or Drew or Victorino or Nava. Get a lot for him before the inevitable decline in performance that aging brings on.
 
Home-twon discounts are the Red Sox fault. They can afford to pay the going rate. So why do they keep spending millions of dollars on aging free agents and patchwork signees? Get young, with a low payroll, then play the free agent market as needed. Don't bild your club through it.
I mean, it is some seriously twisted logic to type out "Home-town discounts are the Red Sox fault."
 
You're also completely ignoring that the FO is doing that very thing you suggested, even without trading Pedroia. Xander, JBJ, Rubby etc, etc. Supplementing in a new core, with FA signings around them. Has it back fired tremendously this season? Yes, nobody is denying that. But I'm still not understanding why the hell people keep making this leap that the Red Sox NEED to trade Pedroia because REASONS.
 

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You know, one of the first things said to me when I became a member was think about what you're about to post before posting it and make sure it's worthwhile. It seems that some people never got that advice or chose to ignore it.
 
Seantoo, Pedroia is the cornerstone of the franchise--the GM and owner want to build a club based on the best aspects of Pedroia--they have explicitly said so in the past when they made him the exception to the rule on long term contracts. He's a franchise player worth much more to the Red Sox than any other organization.
 
Otto C, if you're worried about getting a lot for a player before the 'inevitable decline' begins, why even bother drafting any? Do you ever buy a new car despite the depreciation factor?
 
God, my head hurts.
 

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A few points, and I want to first go on the record in saying I think of Pedroia as our generation's Pesky, the guy will still be coming to Fenway everyday in that jersey when he is 87. No way the Sox can trade him
 
Most fans would be devastated if they trade him.  Not only is he the heart and soul of the team, he's one of the most relatable players in baseball, hell most of sports.  He allows fans to connect on a level that he could just as easily be the guy sitting next to you on the bar stool rooting like crazy 
 
He is also more valuable to us also in that he rakes at Fenway.  Career at Fenway he is hitting .314, road .287(cant seem to find OBP/SLG).  Playing 81 games at Fenway increase his value.
 
On the previous point, does anyone really think a team would offer enough value for him?  I honestly cant see them getting enough in return to warrant the discussion since his value is so high to the RS both on and off the field, but much lower to other teams due to his splits.
 
As people have said, he is a great mentor and leader for the young guys, he plays the game the right way and hard.  He controls the tone of the team and locker room, and I'd imagine he keeps it fairly grounded
 
And all the other points people are making....
 

BosRedSox5

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Also, I don't think that those splits are that big of a deal. That's not like Dante Bichette's Coors splits or anything. Most guys hit a little better at home than on the road. I think it's a comfort thing. 
 

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My head hurts reading this thread.

But I'd pity the poor soul who has to tell Pedroia he was traded. That wouldn't end well.