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Only way I see this happening is if one of the starters goes on the DL with a phantom injury (or real).  They have too much committed to the starting 5 to demote/release/bullpen one of them just a few weeks in.  
 

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Even in light of the RS current struggles, I strongly favor leaving prospects in the minors till they almost literally force their way into the majors. There's not enough of a track record for that. The RS have a history of doing the opposite, in the belief that you need to continually challenge prospects. We all know how that's turned out.
 

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I think it's a bit early to think of calling him up now. He's only had 56 innings since he came over in the trade. They've been a great 56 innings, but still. I think you give him and the current rotation 4-5 more starts before you really think about making changes.
 

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I'm ready for the Matt Barnes in the pen era also. We should all just move to Pawtucket until July when all 3 are up.
 

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Can we wait 40 games before making an aggressive move like promoting Rodriguez?  Despite the debacle yesterday and general issues all year, the starting rotation is still sporting a FIP of 3.96 (16th in majors) and xFIP of 3.79 (13th).  A lot of this has been straight up bad luck, as the strand rate for the starters is just 61%, worst in MLB, while the staff has the 9th-worst BABIP at .307.
 
On the plus side, they are 4th in K rate and sport a 2.5:1 K:BB ratio, while also ranking top-10 in groundball rate.
 
The team has the worst gap between FIP/xFIP and ERA in baseball.  How about we give the team another 20 games to see if that normalizes?
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
I'm ready for the Matt Barnes in the pen era also. We should all just move to Pawtucket until July when all 3 are up.
 
Yes, this.
 
I'm also wondering if Owens and/or Johnson would perform well in a major league bullpen.
 

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jscola85 said:
The team has the worst gap between FIP/xFIP and ERA in baseball.  How about we give the team another 20 games to see if that normalizes?
 
You can't normalize overreaction to small sample sizes on a message board.
 

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Is everyone else ready for the Eduardo Rodriguez era?
 
I sure as shit am.
 
18.2 IP 4 ER 1 BB 1 HR 16 Ks. 1.93 ERA and 2.47 FIP.
 
And he's touching 99 on the radar gun.
 
What are we waiting for?
 
For him not to be 22 years old. What is going on around here?
 

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Yes, this.
 
I'm also wondering if Owens and/or Johnson would perform well in a major league bullpen.
Who was the Sox pitching prospect who claimed (proved?) that he could not get warmed up in anything less than a normal starting pitcher's routine?  Was it Buch?  Lester?  Bowden?  My memory tells me it was the mid-00's.
 

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rembrat said:
 
For him not to be 22 years old. What is going on around here?
 
We've lost four of five, two by walkoff and one by eleven. The offense isn't firing on all cylinders and the pitching isn't firing on any cylinders.
 

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Johnson is 24 and has been dominant for the past calendar year.
 
Do you mean the past 12 months? Sorry to pick on you and for being pedantic, but I always see 'calendar year' misused on this site. The calendar year starts on the first of January. The 'past calendar year' doesn't mean the past 12 months. Wikipedia.
 

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jscola85 said:
Can we wait 40 games before making an aggressive move like promoting Rodriguez?  Despite the debacle yesterday and general issues all year, the starting rotation is still sporting a FIP of 3.96 (16th in majors) and xFIP of 3.79 (13th).  A lot of this has been straight up bad luck, as the strand rate for the starters is just 61%, worst in MLB, while the staff has the 9th-worst BABIP at .307.
 
On the plus side, they are 4th in K rate and sport a 2.5:1 K:BB ratio, while also ranking top-10 in groundball rate.
 
The team has the worst gap between FIP/xFIP and ERA in baseball.  How about we give the team another 20 games to see if that normalizes?
It's also interesting to consider whether one reason why the groundball rate isn't translating into outs as much as it should be is all bad luck or if the left side of the infield isn't optimal for the current composition of the pitching staff. Sandoval comes with a good defensive reputation, but he doesn't seem to be playing that well over there so far; and I'll take Thumper's Daddy's advise on Xander's defense.
 

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Johnson is 24 and has been dominant for the past calendar year.  I would think he'd get first crack.
 
I agree in theory, but unfortunately Johnson has not yet been added to the 40-man, while Eduardo is already on it, which complicates the decision making. I would imagine if one of them had to be called up, that Ben would favor the organizational flexibility of not having to cut someone from the 40-man.
 

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It's also interesting to consider whether one reason why the groundball rate isn't translating into outs as much as it should be is all bad luck or if the left side of the infield isn't optimal for the current composition of the pitching staff. Sandoval comes with a good defensive reputation, but he doesn't seem to be playing that well over there so far; and I'll take Thumper's Daddy's advise on Xander's defense.
 
Yeah the Sox were projected to have one of the best defenses in baseball but that has not been borne out so far.  I've actually thought Holt has looked much better than I expected basically wherever they play him.  Sandoval seems to have quick reactions coming in on balls and a strong arm but not huge range.  Reminds me a bit of Mike Lowell in that respect.
 
Bogaerts could be a problem.  Very small sample but per Fangraphs he's only fielded 70% of balls in his zone.  That ranks him bottom-10 among shortstops.  A top-notch SS will typically field 80%+ and that's what X fielded last year at short, so hopefully this normalizes, but if he really is going to only get to 70% of his balls that's Jeterian levels of range.
 

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Yeah the Sox were projected to have one of the best defenses in baseball but that has not been borne out so far.  I've actually thought Holt has looked much better than I expected basically wherever they play him.  Sandoval seems to have quick reactions coming in on balls and a strong arm but not huge range.  Reminds me a bit of Mike Lowell in that respect.
 
Bogaerts could be a problem.  Very small sample but per Fangraphs he's only fielded 70% of balls in his zone.  That ranks him bottom-10 among shortstops.  A top-notch SS will typically field 80%+ and that's what X fielded last year at short, so hopefully this normalizes, but if he really is going to only get to 70% of his balls that's Jeterian levels of range.
I'll preface this by saying that Miley was horrible yesterday, however I think that game winds up being somewhat different of JBJ is in center. That's not a knock on Mookie, he's just not JBJ defensively.
 

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jscola85 said:
 
Yeah the Sox were projected to have one of the best defenses in baseball but that has not been borne out so far.  I've actually thought Holt has looked much better than I expected basically wherever they play him.  Sandoval seems to have quick reactions coming in on balls and a strong arm but not huge range.  Reminds me a bit of Mike Lowell in that respect.
 
Bogaerts could be a problem.  Very small sample but per Fangraphs he's only fielded 70% of balls in his zone.  That ranks him bottom-10 among shortstops.  A top-notch SS will typically field 80%+ and that's what X fielded last year at short, so hopefully this normalizes, but if he really is going to only get to 70% of his balls that's Jeterian levels of range.
 
But by those same numbers, Bogaerts has made 9 OOZ plays. That's a lot for a single month, and doesn't really square very well with the bad BIZ numbers. 
 
That makes me wonder if the stats are having trouble keeping up with expanded shifts. 
 

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But by those same numbers, Bogaerts has made 9 OOZ plays. That's a lot for a single month, and doesn't really square very well with the bad BIZ numbers. 
 
That makes me wonder if the stats are having trouble keeping up with expanded shifts. 
 
That was my first thought as well when I saw the UZR numbers.  I believe UZR disregards all plays where a shift is employed, but now we're almost beyond shifts - to the point where defense adjusts drastically every single plate appearance. So I am curious how they account for all these plays where he's slightly out of position but not fully shifted.  I also wonder how UZR accounts for a ball hit right where the SS is playing when he goes to cover the 2B bag to cover for a steal attempt.  Xander hasn't exactly been nails out there, but he's certainly looked better than I expected after last year's showing.
 

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You do know he has a total of 16 innings of AAA under his belt, right (plus 6 innings in the AAA playoffs), right?
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Yeah and? Pretty much everything I've read said hes the closest SP prospect to being ready before the 2015 season and he's done nothing to hurt his stock. He's ready now. Whether he's any good or not is another question.

At the very least, he's much further along than EdRod and Owens. I don't see him improving much more in AAA.
 

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Yeah and? Pretty much everything I've read said hes the closest SP prospect to being ready before the 2015 season and he's done nothing to hurt his stock. He's ready now. Whether he's any good or not is another question.

At the very least, he's much further along than EdRod and Owens. I don't see him improving much more in AAA.
 
So scouts say he's the closest to being ready and his 16 total AAA innings are enough to convince you of that, but Masterson, Buchholz, Miley and company all have years of MLB experience in getting hitters out consistently, but their 15-25 innings this year is enough to disprove all that?
 
Barring injury (real or phantom) or a double-header situation, we're not seeing Brian Johnson, EdRod or Owens in a big league uniform before Memorial Day.
 

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I don't think they bring up a guy like Johnson or Eduardo to bolster the bullpen in April or May. Maybe in August for a stretch run boost if they are in contention, but for now they only pitch in Boston if the team needs a starter. Until then, keep them in Pawtucket to let them prove they have no business being in the minors and force your hand.
 

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I don't think they bring up a guy like Johnson or Eduardo to bolster the bullpen in April or May. Maybe in August for a stretch run boost if they are in contention, but for now they only pitch in Boston if the team needs a starter. Until then, keep them in Pawtucket to let them prove they have no business being in the minors and force your hand.
You have to allow them to be your first option prior to the deadline to best evaluate your staff and it's needs. I expect Johnson to get his shot prior to July then Eddie would be next man up if necessary before any drastic trading of prospects is made.
 

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Sox called up Wright today. For all this talk of Johnson or Rodriguez, the Sox have a different idea who the "next man up" is, though that could change by summer.
 
They called up Wright to be a reliever. The talk of the next man up is to be a starter.
 

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OK but that's because they don't need a starter. In the hypothetical where they do, the evidence says Wright gets first crack. He was penciled into Kelly's initial start in game 5 before Kelly was able to reclaim the spot.
 
He was penciled into that spot because it was only one start. Wright is longman/spot starter. For more than one start they should/would go to Johnson/Rodriguez.
 

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He was penciled into that spot because it was only one start. Wright is longman/spot starter. For more than one start they should/would go to Johnson/Rodriguez.
 
Also, it's entirely likely the thinking has shifted since Opening Day.
 

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Otis Foster said:
Even in light of the RS current struggles, I strongly favor leaving prospects in the minors till they almost literally force their way into the majors. There's not enough of a track record for that. The RS have a history of doing the opposite, in the belief that you need to continually challenge prospects. We all know how that's turned out.
I heard someone from the Sox, probably Ben C. make a statement early this year, maybe during ST, that they think they've been rushing kids up too fast.
 

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I heard someone from the Sox, probably Ben C. make a statement early this year, maybe during ST, that they think they've been rushing kids up too fast.
 
I took a look at this--it's interesting. If you compare Youk, Pedroia and Ellsbury to Betts, Bogaerts and Bradley, you find that the former group averaged 106 games in AAA before their MLB debut, and 121 games in AAA before they had played 150 MLB games. With the current group, those numbers are 27 and 79 if I'm reading the gamelogs right.