Harry Frazee Revisionism

edoug

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Thanks jose, an interesting read. It is easy to believe the characterizations of Johnson and Ruth but what about Frazee?
He must've had certain amount of talents to just become what he was.* But how much of a victim was he?

*I hate that sentence. It kind of fits what I meant to write. But is lame.
 

shaggydog2000

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Wow, it took the Globe 100 years to write a hit piece about a player once he was out the door. They're usually so much more efficient than that.
 

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Wow, it took the Globe 100 years to write a hit piece about a player once he was out the door. They're usually so much more efficient than that.
I lol'd. They're working their way back through time, next is Tris Speaker from 1915. He had the temerity to drop to a .322 batting average then ask to not take a pay cut! Good riddance.
 

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Wow, it took the Globe 100 years to write a hit piece about a player once he was out the door. They're usually so much more efficient than that.
I lol'd. They're working their way back through time, next is Tris Speaker from 1915. He had the temerity to drop to a .322 batting average then ask to not take a pay cut! Good riddance.
What happens when they hit John I. Taylor?
 

Rough Carrigan

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The Red Sox teams of that time had a lot of talent. But they sold it all away. Yes, not every transaction was technically a pure sale and not every deal was with the yankees but they made several deals of good players for zeroes plus $$$. When the yankees won the World Series in 1923, their starting catcher(Schang), shortstop(Scott), third baseman(Dugan) and right fielder(Ruth) had been recently acquired from the Red Sox as well as 4 of their 5 starting pitchers(Bush, Jones, Hoyt & Pennock). They'd also gotten pitcher Carl Mays from the Red Sox. Though he was deep in Miller Huggins' doghouse by 1923, he'd won 26 games for nyy in 1920 and 27 in 1921.

Anyway, to imagine how things might have turned out for those Sox teams, you can read the scenarios put together by Steve Treder.

The virtual 1916-1925 Red Sox
Part 1, 1916-1919:
https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1916-1925-boston-red-sox-part-1-1916-1919/

Part 2, 1920-1922
https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1916-1925-boston-red-sox-part-2-1920-1922/

Part 3, 1923-1925
https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1916-1925-boston-red-sox-part-3-1923-1925/
 

shaggydog2000

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I lol'd. They're working their way back through time, next is Tris Speaker from 1915. He had the temerity to drop to a .322 batting average then ask to not take a pay cut! Good riddance.
The Shaugnessy article about Rough Carrigan having a nasty laudanum habit is going to be can't miss.