In the immortal words of Rodney King "Why can't we all get along?" Message to JMOH and Kenny Powers: We get it, you don't like one another..If you're just sniping at one another take it to pm. No need to derail the thread with name calling like 10 year olds. You are both better than this...
Why? In the few months after the switched from Tanguay to Gresh, the 10-2 show went from finishing comfortably behind Dale and Holley in the ratings to crushing them so bad Dale was essentially fired, and Mutt and Merloni were vomited on us.
I could be misremembering but I don't think this was the case. I thought at the time Dale and Holley were broken up they were the only show leading their time slot on EEI. It was close, and became much closer when Gresh took over for Tanguay, but I don't think D&H were ever getting crushed. Since the show was broken up the mid day slot on WEEI has been though, along with the rest of them.
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2011/02/desparate-weei-shakes-up-lineup
No-I think they reaped the benefits of the Bruins' Stanley Cup run/backlash at EEI for firing Dale in the middle of it and people never really went back.
I think mid-day programming benefits from laziness of listeners (beginning of the show) and anticipation of the afternoon drive show (late in the show). I'd bet that a fair amount of listeners just stick with the station after T & R and another fair amount tune in at 1:00 or so after lunch, not so much to listen to Gresh & Zo, but to have it on for Felger (i contend no one tunes in to hear Mazz).
That's a good nickname, stick with that one. You've already used "adorable" twice. You've filled your "old joke" quota again this week. You're killing it!
This.
I don't see why any of that doesn't mean that time slot can't get higher ratings. Flynn and Zo would be infinitely better then Gresh/anyone else, and the ratings would (I think) eventually reflect that. I understand that TSH has no real reason to let go of Gresh, but it's not like it's going to cost them that much. Anyone with half a brain can see that he isn't anchoring that station like Toucher, Felger, or Rich are. I also think that getting that time slot to dominate the way Toucher/Rich are would be a death knell for WEEI. It's the only time of the day when TSH isn't dominating WEEI. Finish the job and watch 'EEI burn.
I agree. This is the same show that failed miserably in RI. It was unlistenable and I gave it numerous shots. It's ratings are based on being sandwiched between two great shows and the buzz the Bruins created. It also benefits from the fact that EEI immolated the one they had that didn't need a make over. Pure and simple Gresh's success here is simply a matter of being in the right place at the right time.
That's not relevant. They are getting ratings.
Felger failed in Massachusetts a couple of times.
This isn't relavent either. You said, in your opinion, Gresh should be fired and Zo marginalized. I said there is no reason, objectively, TSH would do this. I assume it's because they are likely happy with their ratings in that slot. Gresh and Zo are likely inexpensive and I doubt they care if Suddenly Susan ran for 4 years because of Friends or because there are a lot of Brooke Shields fans out there. Of which I am one. Don't bash Brooke again, fuckface.
Who cares? They aren't on EEI. If Dusty Two Sacks was a Yankee, or Brad Marchand was a Canadien you'd hate him.
Let's hear his measurables than.
EEI's collapse came from hubris. There is little evidence that The Sports Hub will be run the same way. See Tanguay, Gary.
There is no evidence that TSH is repeating anything other than you don't like Andy Gresh.
I think that if I am managing a radio station, why a show is getting the ratings it does is kinda, sorta relevent to programing decisions. But I'm no Mr. Carlson.
Felger failed only once and he did it going up against EEI directly with a grossly inferior signal.
I wouldn't dare besmerch the lovely Ms. Agg...er Shields. Since we are talking about Gresh I believe Veronica's Closet is a far more appropriate comp, douchenozzle.
But I like Dusty and Marshmont when they are on my team. As opposed to Gresh who I wouldn't like no matter where he was which is why I made the comparison. If Gresh and Zo was the filler in a D&C and Big Show sandwich even Gresh wouldn't eat it.
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You call it hubris, I call it complacency, but I think we agree that things like thinking it could just continue to roll Larry Johnson and Bill Burt out with Ordway and win a ratings war killed EEI. They refused to try and change to improve the station until it was too late.
I think that jettisoning a host that was brought in as a stopgap when a clearly better talent emerges is a no-brainer. Keeping Flynn away from your competition is another.
That's ridiculous to suggest---the relevant question is 'would someone else get better ratings?'
I would argue that you could tell that EEI was stagnant. TSH's ratings haven't leveled out yet.
And CHB comes on later mad that no one stuck up for him. I'm ashamed for listening to CHB/Gresh on the radio but they had Heyman coming on to discuss the Sox manager search. Of course there was nothing new there.The Dan Duquette interview today with Gresh & Zolak has a great soundbyte: Dan Duquette actually refers to Shaughnessy as "The Curly Haired Boyfriend".
Yeah, Dan the android GM was hard to listen to at times. At least he stopped referring questioners to redsox.com when he was asked things he didn't want to answer.
It hits close to home with me as well, though more for Kevin Turner nostalgia as I was about 14 during the Bledsoe-Turner-Coates-Brisby era. It creeped me out like when hearing John Stephens died.
Yeah, Perryman passed away last year. I ran against him when I was on the track team in high school and he was the biggest, fastest, and strongest guy in the league. I still can't believe he's gone...
Can't be the all-22 unless he flies to NFL headquarters. The league doesn't allow anyone to leave their office with the all-22, and they can only watch it in the NFL offices.
99% of the listeners have no idea about the -22 film that you guys are talking about though and as mentioned above, I'm sure he gets Stadium Feeds or other internal film that we don't see on the national broadcast since he is part of the Pre and Post Game show.
Teams most definitely have access to the all-22. That is the backbone of all film work they do. In fact, I'd be willing to guess that if any of the local media guys are getting access, it's through the team. Maybe because Gresh and Zo are part of the team's radio broadcast, they are given access at the team facility. Seems like a stretch that they'd do a four hour radio show every day, then head down and spend time at Gillette going over game film though. My guess is the film work they do is watching the TV broadcast on their DVR. Ian Rapoport does that each week, because he usually tweets some notes as he does it.
Toucher & Rich's 98 Mile competion :
Is it because the time of the year? IMO, Gresh is mediocore on football and really fucking awful at everything else. The show is listenable during the football season.
Hahah it's funny. I was listening this morning and Gresh was attempting to talk baseball and I thought to myself. "Oh Gresh, when you talk football I wonder how you could possibly know any less. Then I hear you talk about baseball."
