Simmons acknowledged as much recently, either in his podcast or an interview. That with his comments he put his staff in a bad and stressful position where they had to worry about the future of the site.Dehere said:Simmons by every account was a much-loved boss for his support of the work itself, but part of running a company is protecting the people who work for you and let's be honest, he put his whole staff in a very precarious place when he dared Skipper to suspend him.
Van Everyman said:Not sympathy really -- just that this is a guy who started as a writer for Rolling Stone out of college and who now has absolutely has become Bagdhad Bob. These kinds of situations have a way of making everyone a loser in some aspect.
Edit: Just to be clear: I just don't think John Skipper, Columbia Journalism Graduate, set out to work for a company where he would be pushing out all their best journalistic talent.
I don't agree with this. Lots of content is profitable without attracting significant amounts of traffic. I don't think Vice (as just one example) gets a ton of traffic, or at least not a lot more than Grantland. In spite of this, it's an pretty valuable property. It's not just page views, it's who is viewing the page. I would guess that the average person reading Grantland has more expendable income than the average person reading ESPN. I never understood why Subway was the big sponsor for Grantland - it should have been a brand looking searching for a specific audience of mostly young men and women with money, not a brand who wants to reach everyone.Dehere said:Thirded. This is the nature of the content creation business. Grantland never generated enough readership or revenue to survive without being subsidized by the profitable parts of the company. That can't go on forever. Shows get canceled, sites get shuttered. It happens.
Simmons by every account was a much-loved boss for his support of the work itself, but part of running a company is protecting the people who work for you and let's be honest, he put his whole staff in a very precarious place when he dared Skipper to suspend him.
Hagios said:I've been wondering if the ESPN shakeups are about more than cost cutting in the face of cord cutting. It seems to be a power struggle over whether ESPN is a collection of broadcasting stars, or whether ESPN is the product and brand comes first, and they can plug-in available broadcasters as needed. For a while it seemed to go the talent route, but now it's heading back towards plugging in talking heads. I don't care much either way, but the dynamic is interesting.
Three sources told The Big Lead that The Undefeated, which recently got a new editor – 58-year old Kevin Merida from the Washington Post – will be bolstering its staff from less than 10 (which it had under Jason Whitlock) to 32 in the coming months.
Whitlock and Simmons were writers who appeared on TV (“talent”) and had independent voices; Merida is a newspaper guy who will tug The Undefeated closer under the corporate umbrella.
Maybe ESPN3 isn't a trickle-up incubator... It might be a cheat trickle-down.Hagios said:I've been wondering if the ESPN shakeups are about more than cost cutting in the face of cord cutting. It seems to be a power struggle over whether ESPN is a collection of broadcasting stars, or whether ESPN is the product and brand comes first, and they can plug-in available broadcasters as needed. For a while it seemed to go the talent route, but now it's heading back towards plugging in talking heads. I don't care much either way, but the dynamic is interesting.
Van Everyman said:Here's another counter-perspective:
Imagine being John Skipper. You were Simmons' biggest champion for 15 years. At a time when people were wondering where the WWL was headed after its first initial run of talent had dispersed, you were the muscle behind Simmons' building this amazing empire that, in turn, helped the ESPN brand grow and mature. And you got credit for that.
In less than a year's time, it's all gone. You have chased out your partner and torn almost all of what you built together down. And pretty much everybody hates you for it and holds you responsible.
I'm sure Skipper is well paid for his work but jeez.
I'm with you. I've really stopped listening/following any kind of traditional sports analysis and commentary on the web or talk radio. I know there are plenty of places out there but Grantland was a great centralized space for articles and podcasts.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:Good call on The National JMOH, even if Grantland's content was miles better (and focused on different topics). For a while there, Grantland was a key destination for mostly excellent pop culture analysis and great long-form articles on sports and life. I will certainly miss it...it was made for people like me.
Talent is under contract and can't be laid off. However, when his contract is up they may choose not to renew.OilCanShotTupac said:Also, if the WWL wants to a) cut costs, and b ) de-emphasize individual talent, I would think that both goals could be met by cutting loose the ample, sweaty ass of Chris Berman?
That is what I am hoping for. But I imagine that Andy will have offers from several different places.ElUno20 said:I know this is selfish but does this open the door for some reunions? Can andy and chris get back together to give me an hour a week?
Wingack said:That is what I am hoping for. But I imagine that Andy will have offers from several different places.
Beomoose said:So how long until they attempt scrub the 30 for 30 archives from the face of the earth?
Also, 538 folks have to be putting their CVs in order this weekend, right?
I am not a fan of his TV reviews but somebody should give Greenwald an interview show because he's proven to be a tremendous interviewer in his podcasts. He could pull off a James Lipton-like half-hour to an hour one on one show.
His last couple of interviews, Andre Holland, Noah Hawley and Aya Cash have been terrific. Especially the one with Andre Holland (who is a terrific actor). I do miss the HP podcast coming out every Monday and he and Chris Ryan talking about the Sunday shows even if a lot of what Andy would say would be infuriating sometimes. Now though, he and Chris Ryan could link up again. So we will see. Or Greenwald and Alan Sepinwall maybe...
Chris Connelly finally speaks: http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/11/01/grantland-chris-connelly-interview-bill-simmons-espnClears Cleaver said:
JBill said:Chris Connelly finally speaks: http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/11/01/grantland-chris-connelly-interview-bill-simmons-espn
According to him at least, the departing editors gave two weeks notice. I'm sure it put the remaining staff in a tough position having to cover their work, but I don't think that was the death blow to Grantland. If Skipper and ESPN wanted Grantland, it would still be here.
Kliq said:Grantland was my go-to site if I was sitting down and eating by myself and I needed something to read for 10-15 minutes on my phone. Particularly on a Monday morning, I just feel lost.
Uh oh, how many minutes before we hear from an offended Bob Ley and the ESPN The Magazine reporters.Mooch said:Former ESPN ombudsman Robert Lipsyte crushes ESPN on the demise of Grantland and the death "sports journalism" at the Worldwide Leader:
He certainly hits on a lot of points here, namely: ESPN has devolved into a constant parade of provocation in an effort to generate clicks/viewers through "lowest common denominator" programming and shuttering Grantland was exhaling their final gasp of respectability.
I doubt he thinks that. Simmons did it without any real evidence to back it up, based on mostly how he felt. Of course why it was ridiculous to suspend him is that ESPN has no journalistic integrity and runs similar opinion and rumor based content for 50% of their content if not more. To someone like Lipsyte, Simmons was wrong, even if almost everyone else at ESPN is similarly wrong every day.edmunddantes said:Or even dug into the idea of Simmon's was right in calling Roger a liar per Ray Rice judge, and now even more confirmed with the lies about Brady's testimony.