Gordons Production

What will Gordons 2018 Production be?

  • Never takes a game snap.

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • <5 Catches

    Votes: 12 7.6%
  • <20 Catches

    Votes: 34 21.7%
  • <40 Catches

    Votes: 62 39.5%
  • <60 Catches

    Votes: 26 16.6%
  • >60 Catches

    Votes: 21 13.4%

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Well, I voted for <5 catches, so one more and I'm proven wrong. Happy to be so.

Small sample size and all, but Gordon is leading the team in the receiver version of the ANYA stat, at almost 14 yds per attempt.

The maddening thing is one fuckup by Gordon and it all goes away.
Indeed. It always surprises me when a TV talking head (and Al Michaels did it last night) says something like "if he can manage to stay away from any more suspensions. . . ." Do they not realize that the next strike is it for Gordon, as in, expulsion?
 

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On the highlights he is obviously bigger and often appears faster than all the other receivers, especially when he's blocking a DB out of the play. Seems like a man among boys physically - hopefully that turns into a few dominating performances catching the ball as well.
 

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His hands are pretty ridiculous as well. Not to many guys - vintage Brandon Marshall and DeAndre Hopkins come to mind - flat out catch footballs like he does.
 

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Question: Let's assume that he manages to finish the season without incident. He then goes to Jamaica (or Colorado) for an extended vacation, coming back super-relaxed. Can he be thrown out of the league for indulging legally in the off-season? If so, what a messed up rule this is.
 

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Question: Let's assume that he manages to finish the season without incident. He then goes to Jamaica (or Colorado) for an extended vacation, coming back super-relaxed. Can he be thrown out of the league for indulging legally in the off-season? If so, what a messed up rule this is.
Yes.
 

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And if he spends the off-season physically abusing his girlfriend ala Ray McDonald instead of taking a little ganja, then what happens?

I’m guessing the punishment would be different than the one Ray received
Don't know.

Do know that the legality of the substance where consumed has no bearing on the restrictions that bind him. Gordon is, or at least for a period was, prohibited from consuming alcohol.

The only rhyme or reason to these rules is the NFL's conception of public relations.

Being in *the program* in the NFL really sucks.
 

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I doubt Brady allows weed at his off season receiver retreats and Im sure Gordon will be on the list next year.
 

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His hands are pretty ridiculous as well. Not to many guys - vintage Brandon Marshall and DeAndre Hopkins come to mind - flat out catch footballs like he does.
I really thought he was catching the one he was tackled in the end zone for (drawing the DPI). The live camera angle made it look like he might've caught it, until you saw it spin away towards the back of the endzone.
 

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Feels like 80% of the throws to Gordon are on slants. I wonder how quickly that will change.
 

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Don't know.

Do know that the legality of the substance where consumed has no bearing on the restrictions that bind him.
Also (referring to the earlier post) weed isn't legal in Colorado. It's not against state law, but it's still (stupidly, IMO) against federal law. Nobody would claim that treason against the federal government is legal just because the state it's in doesn't have a law against it, but people overstate the reach of state relaxations of marijuana laws.
 

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What has impressed me about Gordon to date isn’t the slants or even his exceptional hands — both of which I expected— but rather his blocking in the run game. That is all about commitment and sacrifice, two words that it would be nice to apply to his recovery from his addictions.
 

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6 games in and to date Gordon has 18 catches for 283 yards (15.7 ypc) with 2 TDs. He's catching 58.1% of his targets (a career best).

He seems to be most effective on slant routes where he can use his size to shield off defenders. He's gotten behind the defense on a few go-routes and he's shown good effort as a blocker.

On the flip side, he hasn't looked very sudden or explosive thus far. How much of that is hamstring related (whether it's injured or he's running a little tentatively for fear of re-aggravating it) or a guy still trying to get his legs under him, who knows. It's also possible that all the time away has zapped some of his athleticism. Time will tell.

Overall, he's been fine and better than the other complimentary options they've run out there. But 6 games in, he looks a little more like Michael Crabtree than JOSH GORDON! I'm really hoping the bye week will help with any physical limitations he may be going through and get him back to being more dynamic. I also wouldn't mind seeing them use him a little more in goal-to-go situations as a fade/jump ball type option.
 

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6 games in and to date Gordon has 18 catches for 283 yards (15.7 ypc) with 2 TDs. He's catching 58.1% of his targets (a career best).

He seems to be most effective on slant routes where he can use his size to shield off defenders. He's gotten behind the defense on a few go-routes and he's shown good effort as a blocker.

On the flip side, he hasn't looked very sudden or explosive thus far. How much of that is hamstring related (whether it's injured or he's running a little tentatively for fear of re-aggravating it) or a guy still trying to get his legs under him, who knows. It's also possible that all the time away has zapped some of his athleticism. Time will tell.

Overall, he's been fine and better than the other complimentary options they've run out there. But 6 games in, he looks a little more like Michael Crabtree than JOSH GORDON! I'm really hoping the bye week will help with any physical limitations he may be going through and get him back to being more dynamic. I also wouldn't mind seeing them use him a little more in goal-to-go situations as a fade/jump ball type option.
If I had to name one weakness of Brady, it would be the end zone fade/jump ball. He just never seems to get it in that sweet spot where his target, especially a tall one like Gronk, can be the only one to catch it.
I don't think Gordon's success on slants is as much about his size shielding off defenders as it is about his hands being able to snatch the ball out of the air out away from his body. I think he has the best catch radius of anyone on the team whose name isn't Gronk.
 

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31 catches for 547 and 2 TDs in 8 games. Projects to 62 for 1,094 and 4 TDs in 16 games.

However, he only got 18 snaps in each of his first two games. In the six games since he is at 27 catches for 465 yards, which would project to 72 catches for 1,240 yards in 16 games.
 

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After today's game, Gordon has 34 catches with 4 games to go. Exceeding every (cautious) expectation I've had for #10.

It'd be great to get him signed for a multi-year contract. He says NE "feels like home":

 

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I assume that the Pats will be interested in re-signing him, that he'd be interested in staying here, and that it will forever be a tightrope, and that for reasons both parties understand, he simply cannot command a big salary, or if he does, it will be structured in such a way that if he gets that last strike from the NFL, it won't cripple their payroll from a cap perspective.
 

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If he comes back, he's gonna come back as something of a fan favorite, so he'll get some opportunities to augment his income a bit here and there.

And you can see from that interview, he just comes across as a nice guy, who seems to get it (which is hard to say knowing his history).
 

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If he comes back, he's gonna come back as something of a fan favorite, so he'll get some opportunities to augment his income a bit here and there.

And you can see from that interview, he just comes across as a nice guy, who seems to get it (which is hard to say knowing his history).
I must say that the cheers when he scores or makes a big play do seem to be louder on tv. I haven’t been to a game of his this year but maybe there are posters here who can confirm this. It would be such a success story if he can finish this year regardless of his production (which has been quite good).
 

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And you can see from that interview, he just comes across as a nice guy, who seems to get it (which is hard to say knowing his history).
Being an addict doesn't preclude "getting it" about addiction and its consequences.
 

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Being an addict doesn't preclude "getting it" about addiction and its consequences.
Yeah, I know.

But this being SoSH, I feel like if I didn't put disclaimer on there, someone would say something in other direction :)
 

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I must say that the cheers when he scores or makes a big play do seem to be louder on tv. I haven’t been to a game of his this year but maybe there are posters here who can confirm this. It would be such a success story if he can finish this year regardless of his production (which has been quite good).
Only game I've been to in person this year was last week's game at MetLife against the Jets. There were TONS of Pats fans there and Gordon got as big an ovation as anyone not named Brady. He's incredibly popular. People love a redemption story.
 

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Gordon so far in 9 games for NE:

57 targets, 34 rec (59.6%), 605 yds, 17.8 ypc, 3 td

His numbers, projected over a 16-game season, would be:

101 targets, 60 rec, 1076 yds, 5 td

I thought he looked faster yesterday after the catch. Seemed to have a little more explosiveness. And the guy is an absolute beast. Great hands and so strong.
 

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Yeah, I know.

But this being SoSH, I feel like if I didn't put disclaimer on there, someone would say something in other direction :)
Totally. As you put it, that's hard to say (about most addicts) - but not impossible. He's not in denial, and seems to be doing something about it that's working. Or, the Pats have a "buddy" following him around 24/7 as a condition of employment.

I wish you luck in snark-proofing your future posts. Me, I've given up :)
 

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Can’t begin to understand how difficult, or easy, it has been for him to maintain sobriety (as far as we know) while transitioning to this very bright stage. Assuming everything continues to go well, nothing that happens after this year would surprise me. He could go for the most lucrative deal (some team is likely to exceed the Pats’ offer) or he could decide this is where he wants to be.

All I sense is that but for Gordon, we’re probably not having a season — as we define a season around here. Picking him up was a brilliant move.
 

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All I sense is that but for Gordon, we’re probably not having a season — as we define a season around here. Picking him up was a brilliant lucky move.
 

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If picking up Gordon was a "lucky" move, then the move proves the hypothesis that luck is a byproduct of design and hard work.
 

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Gordon so far in 9 games for NE:

57 targets, 34 rec (59.6%), 605 yds, 17.8 ypc, 3 td

His numbers, projected over a 16-game season, would be:

101 targets, 60 rec, 1076 yds, 5 td

I thought he looked faster yesterday after the catch. Seemed to have a little more explosiveness. And the guy is an absolute beast. Great hands and so strong.
He has an outside chance at 1000 yards this year and could possibly pass James White to be the team leader in reception yards.
 

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When you account that he missed games, has been limited due to injury and has been "learning the notoriously hard Patriot offense while earning Bradys trust" (TM) thats a really great season.

And oh yea....dealing with a slight addiction issue.
 

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This whole story makes me so happy. He’s my favorite Boston athlete since I was a kid, and I once kinda had a sex dream about Tom Brady, so that’s saying a lot.
 

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I know this has been posted in this forum before but it's probably worth re-visiting:


I remember watching this when it first dropped last year and finding it impossible not to root for this kid. I was one of the skeptics when he first arrived to the Pats but he's proven me wrong. It's been a blast to watch his role in this offense grow each week.

Some of the world's most talented and brilliant people are often the ones most susceptible to substance abuse. Digging your way out of that hole is a long, hard climb. It's awesome to see someone have success at digging themselves out of it. Not that his road is finished, or ever will be. Addiction doesn't really work like that. But it seems like so far, so good.
 

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I don’t know if anyone has been following the Tyson Fury story, but he was the lineal heavyweight champion, struggled with depression, suicidal thoughts and substance abuse, lost his belts, blew up to 400 pounds, and then was able to turn his life around and by all accounts beat the undefeated Deontay Wilder in a title fight last weekend.
 

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I don’t know if anyone has been following the Tyson Fury story, but he was the lineal heavyweight champion, struggled with depression, suicidal thoughts and substance abuse, lost his belts, blew up to 400 pounds, and then was able to turn his life around and by all accounts beat the undefeated Deontay Wilder in a title fight last weekend.
By all accounts except for the official score. :unsure:
 

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I know this has been posted in this forum before but it's probably worth re-visiting:


I remember watching this when it first dropped last year and finding it impossible not to root for this kid. I was one of the skeptics when he first arrived to the Pats but he's proven me wrong. It's been a blast to watch his role in this offense grow each week.

Some of the world's most talented and brilliant people are often the ones most susceptible to substance abuse. Digging your way out of that hole is a long, hard climb. It's awesome to see someone have success at digging themselves out of it. Not that his road is finished, or ever will be. Addiction doesn't really work like that. But it seems like so far, so good.
Wait--he says in there he respects Roger Goodell.

JOSH!!!!
 

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So, like we randomly got him?
No, we were lucky that the incompetent Hue Jackson was the Browns coach. We're lucky that Gordon didn't respond to the Browns' coaches and wanted out. We're lucky that the Browns gave up on him and released him. If the report's accurate, we're lucky that Gordon's first 2 choices, the Cowboys and Niners (according to Schefter), didn't sign him. We're lucky that he has responded to Brady and Belichick. We're lucky that he's picked up a good part of the offense so quickly. We're lucky that he's been relatively injury-free despite the long layoff.

That said, the planning and execution of identifying Gordon as a possible fit, of putting him in a place to maximize his chances of success and of designing a program that gives him effective help off the field IS exactly why BB and company deserve their lofty reputations.
 

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We're lucky that the Browns gave up on him and released him. If the report's accurate, we're lucky that Gordon's first 2 choices, the Cowboys and Niners (according to Schefter), didn't sign him.
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The Patriots traded a 5th round pick for him. He was never released and was never free to sign with anyone.
 

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The Patriots traded a 5th round pick for him. He was never released and was never free to sign with anyone.
And say what you want about Jackson, the Browns gave him every chance and a lot of support. Sometimes it clicks in one place and not another and it’s just that simple.
 

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It's more than likely going to end up being Gordon's second best season in his career. His best, obviously, was his stellar 2013 season (87 rec, 1646 yds, 18.9 ypc, 9 td). But his second best currently is his 2012 season (50 rec, 805 yds, 16.1 ypc, 5 td).

Right now he's at 34 rec, 605 yds, 17.8 ypc, and 4 td. Four games to go. I could easily see him with 52 rec (averaging 4.5 per game the rest of the way), 845 yds (averaging 60 yds per game the rest of the way) and 6 td (catching 2 more td).

Hard to believe, really.
 

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We're lucky that the Browns gave up on him and released him. If the report's accurate, we're lucky that Gordon's first 2 choices, the Cowboys and Niners (according to Schefter), didn't sign him. We're lucky that he has responded to Brady and Belichick. We're lucky that he's picked up a good part of the offense so quickly. We're lucky that he's been relatively injury-free despite the long layoff.
Probably get your facts straight on how we acquired him before calling it luck.

And your "luck" definition is so large every single event can fall under it. I mean, okay, but I'm not sure what that proves.
 

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Probably get your facts straight on how we acquired him before calling it luck.

And your "luck" definition is so large every single event can fall under it. I mean, okay, but I'm not sure what that proves.
Seriously. By this logic the Pats were lucky BB left the Jets. Lucky Brady was passed by 198 times. Lucky that Moss flamed out on the Raiders. Lucky Gronk dropped to the second round. And on and on.
 

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And your "luck" definition is so large every single event can fall under it. I mean, okay, but I'm not sure what that proves.
All we are is dust in the wind.

I think it’s fair to say they were lucky Brady got passed on 198 times.
This reduces the notion of luck to something meaningless. If that's luck, then everything is luck. Nobody else was drafting him, nobody was giving him a shot in hell, except for the Patriots. Which was because of their preparation and culture, as is extensively documented.

If someone can take time to mentally and physically prepare for an event and see it through to completion, then calling the result "luck" cheapens the whole idea that we should ever work for anything or care about anything.

The fact that some amount of random variation exists in everything doesn't mean that things are entirely down to that random variation. Human effort, focus and knowledge exist, and are applied every day, which is why we're sitting in heated office buildings rather than running around on the savannah.
 

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This reduces the notion of luck to something meaningless. If that's luck, then everything is luck. Nobody else was drafting him, nobody was giving him a shot in hell, except for the Patriots. Which was because of their preparation and culture, as is extensively documented.
We all know about the Brady Six, but there were also five QBs taken after Brady in the 2000 draft. I'd be shocked if he didn't get drafted somewhere. Tim Rattay, the other QB the Pats considered, went to Brady's hometown 49ers at pick 212 and got to start 18 games.

I completely disagree. I think they were lucky Brady became what he became. They weren't lucky that everyone passed on him all those times (including the Pats themselves like 6 times).
There were three QBs taken after pick 150 and before Brady - Tee Martin, Marc Bulger (who had a fine NFL career), and Spergeon Wynn. If the Steelers take Brady instead of Martin, we might be thinking about the selection of Jeff Marriott at 161 pretty differently today.

Luck is a pretty charged word. It's clear there are elements of the Brady story that the Patriots handled very well (taking him and keeping him despite having three QBs, developing him, sticking with him over Bledsoe, etc.), and also elements that were beyond their control that worked out (teams ahead of them not taking Brady, Brady's mania for excellence).