Gordon Hayward 2020: C'mon baby, hold together!

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The worst scenario would have been for GH to play really well in the playoffs, then opt out and flee somewhere for no compensation. I guess that could happen if the league starts up again.

Has Hayward had enough NBA down time to be healthy?
 

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Yeah, last night I re-watched the last game before the shutdown, against Indy. Gordon was really looking good.

I don't see a path for GSW to get him without routing Wiggins through a third team though, and even the Knicks might not be that dumb. I guess Draymond? That's an interesting one that I don't have a strong opinion on yet.

Miami would have to be Olynyk and Iggy coming the other way for money to work. I don't really see the point of that for the Celtics unless the Heat are including someone like Herro, which sounds too high.

Indy for Turner or Sabonis makes the most sense both ways, but there's bad blood there and the Pacers might think Hayward is a flight risk.

After that, I'm not really sure.
Hayward is the most Indiana dude in the league. I can’t see him being a flight risk if he gets dealt there.
 

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I don't think an opt-in by Hayward was ever bad for the Celtics, he showed enough this year that you'd much rather have him than not have him *especially since they would have no cap space either way. If anything an opt-in was good because you didn't have to commit long term.
Point was different. This isn't about Hayward per se--it's a simple adverse selection thing with player options. It gets exercised if the player is underperforming, and if he's playing well, he opts out to sign a new deal.

The potentially flat or declining cap changed that, and now there are more scenarios where Hayward could opt in even when playing well (which, as you noted, he very much is) and have it still make sense for him.
 

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Obviously I'd be happy if Indy thinks so, because I'd love to pair Sabonis with Tatum and Brown longterm (although I don't think it's happening).
I’d happily add our other Indiana dude to complete that deal. But, yeah, can’t see them giving up Sabonis.

Remind me on the bad blood. Paul George related?
 

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I have a hard time seeing the Pacers dealing a "cost-controlled" player like Sabonis who is still improving. If they want to move anyone, its Turner and while I know there are still people clinging on to the notion that the C's are one "BIG" away from being a championship contender, I simply don't see Ainge trading assets away for a guy like him.
 

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Yeah, last night I re-watched the last game before the shutdown, against Indy. Gordon was really looking good.

I don't see a path for GSW to get him without routing Wiggins through a third team though, and even the Knicks might not be that dumb. I guess Draymond? That's an interesting one that I don't have a strong opinion on yet.

Miami would have to be Olynyk and Iggy coming the other way for money to work. I don't really see the point of that for the Celtics unless the Heat are including someone like Herro, which sounds too high.

Indy for Turner or Sabonis makes the most sense both ways, but there's bad blood there and the Pacers might think Hayward is a flight risk.

After that, I'm not really sure.
I think a summer three way with Hayward to Golden State, Wiggins/Golden St #1 to New York, and New York's 2021 #1 to Boston might be palatable to everyone. Boston generates a huge trade exception to add talent and a pick that is generally odds on to be top 8. And given that Kuminga is also strongly considering reclassifying, that draft's looking like a monster.
 

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I have a hard time seeing the Pacers dealing a "cost-controlled" player like Sabonis who is still improving. If they want to move anyone, its Turner and while I know there are still people clinging on to the notion that the C's are one "BIG" away from being a championship contender, I simply don't see Ainge trading assets away for a guy like him.
Yeah, C is the lest important spot on the floor, Boston's not tying up their payroll in one no matter how much people groove on his game. It's like my buddy the Nets fan dreaming that the Wizards will send them Beal for salary cruft and Jared Allen. I mean he's a nice C and all, but there are several guys in line to be the next Jared Allen in this draft.
 

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Yeah, C is the lest important spot on the floor, Boston's not tying up their payroll in one no matter how much people groove on his game. It's like my buddy the Nets fan dreaming that the Wizards will send them Beal for salary cruft and Jared Allen. I mean he's a nice C and all, but there are several guys in line to be the next Jared Allen in this draft.
Agreed. I have huge respect for Sabonis' game (a younger, better Baynes). BUT I expect Danny will just go cheap at the 5. When you have Kemba, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart getting shots, the C's just need a handful of cheap, veteran 5s that play high energy defense, set picks, and defer offensively. Daniel Theis is that dude. If Danny could add Poeltl in the offseason for less than $4MM, he'd be worth it. Kanter, w/Stevens help was passable defensively and added offense to the 2nd unit. Dozens of serviceable, veteran 5s will be available on the cheap this offseason.

This team is going to be a championship contender next season on the back of Tatum and Brown continuing their leaps.

and Hayward's salary slot will eventually be eaten up by JB/JT raises, unless Wyc wants to write big checks.
 

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He's gotta be thinking "I timed this PERFECTLY, the kid was gonna be born right smack in the middle of the offseason, there was going to be no problems whatsoever... and then ALL THIS CRAP COMES ALONG..."
 

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Only a 4 day quarantine when he returns. Obviously, hope the birth goes smoothly and, much less important, the timing works out for the team.
 

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Only a 4 day quarantine when he returns. Obviously, hope the birth goes smoothly and, much less important, the timing works out for the team.
He's going to get a blood transfusion from Marcus to immunize him from the Covid, only there's going to be a lab accident where the blood becomes radioactive, and when Gordon gets back he's going to have SuperMarcus powers and win the Finals MVP after they trounce the Lakers 4-0.
 

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He's going to get a blood transfusion from Marcus to immunize him from the Covid, only there's going to be a lab accident where the blood becomes radioactive, and when Gordon gets back he's going to have SuperMarcus powers and win the Finals MVP after they trounce the Lakers 4-0.
I've learned from sci-fi movies that you ALWAYS take attributes from the person you get a transfusion from. Of course the only side effect of a transfusion from Marcus is launching shots basically right when reaching halfcourt time to time.
 

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On the other hand watching Embiid collapse in tears at mid court game four would be high comedy.