Gordon Hayward 2020: C'mon baby, hold together!

lovegtm

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Butler would be a good comp with a good reputation.

Would be funny if you did Embiid.

I know none of us could afford it but the motion trackers they have in NBA arenas these day could probably give some insight into how much people move on defense during a game.
LOL @Embiid. Don’t think you need a deep dive for that...I watched the rough highlights of the recent Bucks game and just kept throwing my hands in the air.

KAT is probably the poster child here.
 

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I'm not sure what this tells us by NBA.com does have stats on the distance players travel on defense and the speed. For the Cs, JB leads in distance per game at 1.19 (average speed = 3.90). GH is next at 1.16 (avg speed = 3.93). JT trails at 1.12 miles (speed = 3.67)
The OKC play where JB helped a half-step too far in the lane and gave up a 3 to Gallinari is instructive here. Tatum barely moved on the play, and was positioned correctly and directing JB.

If JB had helped and recovered a step out to Gallinari, no pass happens and he doesn’t move. As it was, he had to fly at Gallo at top speed, only to still give up the 3.
 

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My guess, just based on the personalities and team situations of the guys you mentioned, is that most of them except George don’t space out like this. Obviously some really smart, elite guys like LeBron will just totally take plays off, but he’s a unique situation.
My guess would be that the only guys you rarely see have complete space outs, are the defense only guys (and I am unsure how many of these guys are actually left). Paul George still carries a large offensive burden that it isn't realistic to expect any of these guys to be on 100% of the time on defense. Especially in February.
 

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Watching that compilation and seeing Tatum flying across the court to close out reminds me of how fricking old I am.Tatum is 20 years old and has energy to burn, Heywoode is 30 years old and just not going to do that on a otherwise meaningless game in mid February. I have no doubt that he is going to be locked in during the playoffs. Let’s compare 20 year old Tatum to Tatum nine (9!!) years from now. You might see him less energetic and focused then now.
 

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LOL @Embiid. Don’t think you need a deep dive for that...I watched the rough highlights of the recent Bucks game and just kept throwing my hands in the air.

KAT is probably the poster child here.
MaMo's, two Celtic seasons, off-ball/weakside defense will be KAT-like
 

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I think that your entire assessment is correct. He's not killing them defensively, but he has some bigtime focus/effort deficiencies at times on D. It just is.

He's brings so much on offense that it's really not a problem. Just frustrating to watch sometimes. Fwiw, I think that he paces himself at that end. And given that he knows best how much he has in the tank (i.e. foot), I honestly don't habe a big problem with it.
Pacing oneself, to my understanding, generally looks like not choosing to run down a fast break, not getting back fast enough after a make or miss on offense, having a lower utilization rate / taking possessions off on offense, and maybe not closing out the 3rd or 4th shooter all the time.

It does not look like mental mistakes on positioning. If anything, being in the right spot in advance more often is a valuable crutch to avoid having to use athleticism and energy to cover for an error (yours or a teammate's).

Yes, mental energy has a limit too, and nobody is going at 100% for all 48 of all 82*. But neither can you make physical excuses for mental mistakes.

* Marcus Smarf would, though, if the natural consequence of going at 100% for 36 every night didn't mean he played way less than 82 every year
 

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Interesting game for Hayward last night; one of his worst shooting nights of the season, yet he managed to finish with 21 points, 13 rebounds and 4 assists. He also made some of the biggest defensive plays of the game. I know some people in the gamethread were looking at his positive +/- and mocking it for being a poor indicator of someone's contributions because Hayward shot the ball so poorly, but on the flip side, it showed how his value can be beyond counting stats. His good defense, quick ball movement and rebounding were all important factors in the Celtics victory.
 

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I know I look like the "Hayward hater" for my earlier videos, but really, my primary goal is to key in on little things and make watching more enjoyable/engaging for myself and others.

So, with that said, Hayward's defense against the Clippers was really good, particularly on-ball but also off. Here's the video, with commentary. Time permitting (and it should permit, given this stupid dearth of basketball games until my Saturday morning), I'll do a similar one for all 10 guys who played in the Clippers game.

View: https://youtu.be/mkP1-qq9RdU