I decided to bring this back to the Hayward thread rather than derailing the 76'ers thread any further.I don't want to derail the thread any further than it has been by posters with agendas other than just discussing hoops (not you) but I was reacting to a combination of comments in the Hayward thread as well as predictions about the team's win/totals and prospects next season. So my point wasn't entirely baseless - some posters seem pretty confident that Hayward will improve significantly next year, in addition to other players improving as well, as implied by their win totals. There are also comments to that effect in the actual Hayward thread. That said, my language was imprecise or incorrect. We now have a standard where we need to be very exacting in our takes or else we are going to have more diversions like this one - this is what the market wants apparently.
Back to the 76ers, their other signings are interesting as well with Kyle O'Quinn a decent bench upgrade while Raul Neto presumably takes some McConnell minutes. As others have stated, Zhaire Smith is the real X factor for this team - if he can make the leap and the other guys play at their expected levels, watch out.
Year before injury:Paul George is a common comp, but as others have rightfully pointed out, it's not a perfect one. PG's injury was different in type and degree, and PG was a true top tier player before he got hurt.
Unlike last summer, there are no restrictions now on Gordon Hayward’s training regimen.
He wore a Hayward jersey in practice the other day.Gordon Hayward is at Arthur Ashe stadium watching Nick Kyrgios in his 3rd-round match in the US Open. Apparently Kyrgios is a big basketball fan and big Celtics fan.
I would much rather have 2019 Kemba/Hayward over 2018 Kyrie/Hayward. The real question is what Ainge can do at center to cover for the Horford loss, which is significant. Good news is he has assets and moveable salaries in a little over a month. The timing allows him to see what he has and then make a move in Jan/Feb if it’s not working out.I don’t know if the team has the same ceiling it did last year, but if Stevens can develop and optimize its depth, and they can play unselfishly and push the hot hand at the right times, they could be far more consistent. This is the kind of game they too frequently and frustratingly lost last year.
A good start to this season...
The Celtics retain Hayward’s Bird Rights if he opts out, meaning they can sign him to any deal allowable. Tatum’s extension would have no impact on that.So, here's a question for you experts in NBA cap dynamics: If Gordon opts out next summer, how would resigning him impact the team's ability to sign Tatum? And vice versa, how would extending Tatum (either next summer or the year after) impact the team's ability to resign Hayward?
In other words, can the Celtics spend whatever they want to keep both players?
Yeah, I'm actually talking about something on the lines of Horford's Philly deal. Hayward is younger, and Horford got paid well under the max, with only a half-guaranteed final year. (To be clear, I was fine with not matching Philly's Horford offer).see Horford, Al
But with the summer of 2021 potential FA bonanza, will there be team will to go where he wants in 2020?There will be no discount.
True. But teams will fool themselves (I'm looking at you Knicks) into thinking the top tier guys in 2021 will be options. And will teams willing to overpay in 2020 (say the Hawks) be somewhere a guy like Hayward wants to go?The flip side is there are few big-name FAs next summer. So, if a team wants to add a big name player, there aren't many options. Next summer is a seller's market.
yea, we all talked about extending Horford at a discount last year. I was pretty off on the amount/years on what he received from Philly. Pretty sure no one around here had Al getting the Sixer deal (think it also caught Danny by surprise)Yeah, I'm actually talking about something on the lines of Horford's Philly deal. Hayward is younger, and Horford got paid well under the max, with only a half-guaranteed final year. (To be clear, I was fine with not matching Philly's Horford offer).
Remembered from the recent Hollinger-Duncan podcast.Has anyone watched Bamba this year? Seems to only be getting about 12-15 MPG and numbers aren't popping out yet but I like his potential more than TL.
Yikes. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.Remembered from the recent Hollinger-Duncan podcast.
“Do you think that Orlando is ready to cut their losses on Mo Bamba?”
“I watched his last game. He looked totally lost out there.”
“If he hadn’t been injured at the end of last year, they wouldn’t have made the playoffs.”
So I think he would be available, but I don’t think Danny would bite.
Gordan has a really nice Euro step/deliberate flow to his drives that can be very effective. It won't appear as explosive, but his floaters/step backs in the lane are very balanced.I"m officially excited.
Didn't get to watch this game live but just watched the highlights. It isn't the fact that Haward scored 39 points. He had a few big scores last season too. It's how he looked - definite shades of Utah. Last season, even towards the end of the year, it always looked to me like Gordon was wearing lead shoes. He couldn't get much leap, and he had great difficulty driving or cutting by anybody. Last night, he was bouncing all over the court, and it was a joy to watch. It looks like, as we had hoped, him finally having an offseason for strength and conditioning is paying big dividends in his recovery.
I’m obviously talking comparatively. I know the player he was in Utah and I saw his lead shoes last year. But he was pretty damn explosive in Utah and looked similar the other nightHe also is not a player who I would call "explosive" in this regard. Not a knock on him, he has more of the Paul Pierce slipping-through-the-defenders aspect.
He most certainly was explosive in Utah. Check out 0:40-1:30.He also is not a player who I would call "explosive" in this regard. Not a knock on him, he has more of the Paul Pierce slipping-through-the-defenders aspect.
No way Ainge trades any of those guys for Drummond or Adams.So, here's an interesting wrinkle in all this: if Hayward continues to play at this level, does that open up some very interesting trade possibilities come January?
He's no longer a distressed asset. I'm not talking salary dump, but would it make sense to move Hayward for a center of equal ability? Right now, the Celtics five best players are (in no particular order): Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Walker, Smart.
It certainly is worth a conversation to think, do you trade one of Tatum/Brown/Hayward for a legit center? Fansided had an article talking about Myles Turner, Andre Drummond, or Steven Adams