Gordon Hayward 2020: I'm standing here in pieces and you're having delusions of grandeur!

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amarshal2

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I’m no doctor but I’m guessing there are a range of X-ray results that don’t end with a recommendation to see a specialist.
 

Imbricus

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I had a displaced fracture of my fifth metacarpal. I was told that having surgery would get me back in action faster (typing, using hand etc.), for what it's worth. A displaced fracture is a kind of ugly one though, and I hope that's not what he has.
 

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No specialists available on Sunday?

It is a bit concerning that they want to see one. You'd think something very simple would be just a straightforward diagnosis.
 

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Maybe we can stop the talk about Hayward getting trading and opting out now. And when he gets back we just appreciate shit.
 

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I’m no doctor but I’m guessing there are a range of X-ray results that don’t end with a recommendation to see a specialist.
Eh. He's a professional athlete--I'd sure as hell assume he'd be seeing a specialist.
 

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Eh. He's a professional athlete--I'd sure as hell assume he'd be seeing a specialist.
If the doctor looked at an X-ray and saw a hairline fracture in one bone in a finger or part of the hand i don’t think he’s seeing a specialist.
Still not a doctor though
 

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He'll be back by ~ Xmas/New Year's. Not worried in the least.

see Smart, Marcus... this team will be OK for the ~20 games Gordon misses.

He is back from his real injury and will be balling in no time.
 
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This fucking sucks. Right when he finally seemed to be back. I feel so bad for him and hopefully it’s just a fracture and a few weeks and he can be back by January
 

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It sucks for obvious reasons, not the least that he's was looking like the Hayward of old. . The only bright side is that if it's a 3 month injury, he's back in Feb/March, and it should be a much easier recovery than a broken ankle.
 

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Given the apparent injury and roster construction, it’s not a big deal long-term, but man, this is a drag. He’ll be back wrecking shit soon enough though, and maybe we get some extra developmental minutes for Romeo and Tre in the meantime.

If he’s out for more than six weeks or so and takes time to get back up to how he looked recently, we may be looking back on this as the difference between him opting out or not next summer.
 

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Broken hands are a bit of a specialty for me - had 3 hand surgeries and probably a 4th on deck.

What's important to remember is there are roughly 20,000 bones in the hand and wrist (hand is kind of a vague term when used like it has been here), and any little crack or fracture counts as a "broken hand". Obviously, flexibility and lack of pain are important even in a non-shooting hand, but with some of my broken hands, I've been able to continue fighting and get surgery later. It can be a pretty minor thing.

Any time there's surgery, though, you need a layoff, even for a little scope.

Also, apparently some breaks - like in the scaphoid - don't show up right away and are hard to notice by non-specialists.
 

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The Spurs broadcast has a great angle at 4:07 of this video. It really doesn’t look bad, but of course that means little. It appears to have happened before the actual contact on the screen, but when Gordon was reaching back to feel for it. Just bad luck.
View: https://youtu.be/tm2iSJzk_vg
 

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Do you think it's wise to tease someone that writes this:

but with some of my broken hands, I've been able to continue fighting and get surgery later. :unsure:
Eh. Everyone has a plan until they see a picture of a spider.
 

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Not that I know anything, but if it was displaced - wouldn’t he need surgery, like, tonight?
No major rush on the surgery other than starting a timeline for his return.

I was so encouraged with Gordon's play this year, definitely bummer that he will be out awhile. Surgery probably would be a slightly quicker return as they would feel better about letting him play with a partially healed bone that's also reinforced with a plate. I didn't hear which metacarpal was broken, but generally speaking more often than not these are relatively uncomplicated long term. Slight bonus that it's his left hand has well.

I'd put over-under on a return at around Christmas, and hopefully he has plenty of time to still have the great comeback season he looked primed for. I expect some big numbers from Tatum/Brown in the interim.
 

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Broken hands are a bit of a specialty for me - had 3 hand surgeries and probably a 4th on deck.

What's important to remember is there are roughly 20,000 bones in the hand and wrist (hand is kind of a vague term when used like it has been here), and any little crack or fracture counts as a "broken hand". Obviously, flexibility and lack of pain are important even in a non-shooting hand, but with some of my broken hands, I've been able to continue fighting and get surgery later. It can be a pretty minor thing.

Any time there's surgery, though, you need a layoff, even for a little scope.

Also, apparently some breaks - like in the scaphoid - don't show up right away and are hard to notice by non-specialists.

These rich guys and their surgeries. Tape & ibuprofen are what us poors use
 

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Could be four weeks, could be three months... there's a lot of bones in the hand with a wild range of treatment potentials
 

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What's important to remember is there are roughly 20,000 bones in the hand and wrist (hand is kind of a vague term when used like it has been here), and any little crack or fracture counts as a "broken hand".
Could be four weeks, could be three months... there's a lot of bones in the hand with a wild range of treatment potentials
I appreciate that medicine is a collaborative field that depends on the sharing of data and experience, but next time you refer to one of my discoveries, please give me the curtesy of a citation. I realize this isn't the NEJM, but plagiarism is never acceptable among colleagues.
 

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So, Smart takes Hayward's spot and Green gets more minutes off the bench?

Langford had a great night with Maine. Should be called up or let him play the minutes in GL?
 

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I appreciate that medicine is a collaborative field that depends on the sharing of data and experience, but next time you refer to one of my discoveries, please give me the curtesy of a citation. I realize this isn't the NEJM, but plagiarism is never acceptable among colleagues.
You're the Albert Schatz in this scenario.
 

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Although there are lots of bones in the "hand", often if its one of the wrist bones (8) or finger bones (14), they will report as wrist or finger fracture.

Obviously this is just speculation, but more likely than not it's one of the 5 metacarpals. They also often will specify if its the 1st, so my money is 2nd-5th metacarpal.

This fracture can occasionally be complex if it involves the joint, but that's not the norm, especially with a basketball injury.
 

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Do you think it's wise to tease someone that writes this:

but with some of my broken hands, I've been able to continue fighting and get surgery later. :unsure:
He’s more than welcome to enter my spider colony to beat me up. My pet tarantulas are quite friendly.
 

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Broken hand is soo vague. Wrist vs actual metacarpal bones probably matters a lot for recovery. The play, while a foul, doesnt look like much. Just shitty luck.

GH really has had some bad luck in Boston. 2 huge, fluke Injuries.
 

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Losing a couple marginal regular-season wins doesn't matter much. Non-shooting hand. Lots more opportunity for Tatum and Brown, plus they can give Langford and Javonte some run.

It really sucks for Gordon given what happened prior and how well he was playing, but I think this is a minor speedbump that might have some positive developmental side-effects.
 

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Losing a couple marginal regular-season wins doesn't matter much. Non-shooting hand. Lots more opportunity for Tatum and Brown, plus they can give Langford and Javonte some run.

It really sucks for Gordon given what happened prior and how well he was playing, but I think this is a minor speedbump that might have some positive developmental side-effects.
yea, I like this glass half full thought process.

Injuries inevitably happen, its part of the game, a good time for the C's to build their depth by playing the kids.

Gordon's confidence is brimming, he'll be rested and rearing to go when he comes back
 

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yea, I like this glass half full thought process.

Injuries inevitably happen, its part of the game, a good time for the C's to build their depth by playing the kids.

Gordon's confidence is brimming, he'll be rested and rearing to go when he comes back
I think we were just traumatized by what happened in 2017. This really isn't a huge deal imo.
 

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Yeah, he doesn't run or leap or pivot off his non-shooting hand. This is night and day compared with that horrific ankle injury.
 

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It seems likely that the Hayward minutes are going to go to a mix of Enes Kanter (with Grant shifting some minutes to the 4), Brad Wanamaker, and Javonte Green, with some situational minutes for Ojeleye and Edwards.
 

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It seems likely that the Hayward minutes are going to go to a mix of Enes Kanter (with Grant shifting some minutes to the 4), Brad Wanamaker, and Javonte Green, with some situational minutes for Ojeleye and Edwards.
I'm fine with that. Those are all guys who would benefit from a bit more run, even if it costs a win here or there.
 

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Although there are lots of bones in the "hand", often if its one of the wrist bones (8) or finger bones (14), they will report as wrist or finger fracture.

Obviously this is just speculation, but more likely than not it's one of the 5 metacarpals. They also often will specify if its the 1st, so my money is 2nd-5th metacarpal.

This fracture can occasionally be complex if it involves the joint, but that's not the norm, especially with a basketball injury.
So if it is one of the 2nd-5th metacarpals, would you assume we hear a 3-4 week recovery? 4-6?


Also, if the fandom rivalry between Radsoxfan and DRS was this decade’s Twilight debate, would you be Jacob or Edward and why? I’ll hang up and listen.
 

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From the other Dr. Flynn over at BSJ. I am hopeful that this is the case.

Dr. Flynn: The most likely fracture with that mechanism is a metacarpal fracture (the long bones in the hand that are like extensions of the fingers). Aron Baynes fractured his fourth metacarpal last season, had surgery and was back a month later.
 
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