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I guess what I'm saying is that I can live without those 2-3 seasons of Brady's already unparalleled career. He's already brought the fans 6 banners, and there will be a statue of him outside Gillette in the not too distant future anyway, along with a room in the Pats Hall of Fame museum. Him playing for Tampa doesn't really change any of that.
Well said. I'm rooting for Tampa & TB to do well but my first priority will be the Patriots. Like someone else mentioned, it'll be fun to see Tom go up against Bree, Ryan, and other players in the NFC. Now I have another team to watch instead of watching the Jets to lose.
 

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I started caring less about Brady the person when we started hearing more about the TB12 method and his trainer. It was honestly hard for me not to lose some respect for him. But still, we have all the great memories he provided and I can't help but wish him well.
 

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I started caring less about Brady the person when we started hearing more about the TB12 method and his trainer. It was honestly hard for me not to lose some respect for him.
Curious, why would having a diet-exercise regimen make you care less about him?
 

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I'll certainly be rooting for Tom to achieve great things in Tampa. I don't think there is an expectation that fans will root for him OVER the Patriots, but I sure as hell will be pulling for him in the NFC. Hell, I ride hard for Jimmy G anytime he isn't playing the Pats.
 

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Brady always felt a little distant in a way some other guys haven't. I think that was mostly strategic on his part for many reasons. He's been preparing to leave for a while now. I'm not talking about since 2017 or 2018, I'm talking about since like 5 years earlier than that. And for better or for worse that's going to impact how everyone feels about him on the way out. I had a similar reaction to his piece in the Players' Tribune as everyone else - I simply didn't care.
 

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Brady always felt a little distant in a way some other guys haven't. I think that was mostly strategic on his part for many reasons. He's been preparing to leave for a while now. I'm not talking about since 2017 or 2018, I'm talking about since like 5 years earlier than that. And for better or for worse that's going to impact how everyone feels about him on the way out. I had a similar reaction to his piece in the Players' Tribune as everyone else - I simply didn't care.
He’s definitely in the MJ/Tiger/Jeter mold where everything publicly is so carefully crafted that you don’t get a sense of who the real TB is. And that‘s fine. It has obviously served him quite well.
 

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I'll support him. It's not like he went to an arch-rival. Yes, it sucks he left, but that dude brought the New England Patriots 6 Super Bowl wins. The Patriots. We always used to say things like "if the Pats can win one Super Bowl they have a 10 year grace period" or something. Looks like, for some people, it doesn't go much beyond a year.
 

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I'll support him. It's not like he went to an arch-rival. Yes, it sucks he left, but that dude brought the New England Patriots 6 Super Bowl wins. The Patriots. We always used to say things like "if the Pats can win one Super Bowl they have a 10 year grace period" or something. Looks like, for some people, it doesn't go much beyond a year.
The Pats are still in a grace period for me for a while. I don't get what Brady has to do with that
 

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He’s definitely in the MJ/Tiger/Jeter mold where everything publicly is so carefully crafted that you don’t get a sense of who the real TB is. And that‘s fine. It has obviously served him quite well.
One of these things is not like the other.

I always thought Tom was manicured because he wanted to get into politics, but you don’t hear that rumor much since Deflategate and the Trump hat.
 

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He had two hall of fame careers as a member of the Patriots, and my family and I bonded over the last 20 years like nothing else. But to me TB in TB is a footnote. And in my alternate timeline, he followed Gronk's lead and went out on top after # 6.
 

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One of these things is not like the other.

I always thought Tom was manicured because he wanted to get into politics, but you don’t hear that rumor much since Deflategate and the Trump hat.
I mean, Tiger was as standoffish at it gets. His issues in 2008 don’t really change that. The guy almost never lets his guard down with the media.
 

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Looks like they’re going back to their super bowl era unis. I didn’t read his goodbye. I’m basically tired of the entire story at this point. I hope he finishes up healthy, and doesn’t embarrass himself, although, really, that wouldn’t change a thing about his legacy. Beyond that, I won’t pay much attention to the Bucs. I’m very curious, and kind of exited to see where the Pats go from here. I’ll be focusing on that.
 

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Brady always felt a little distant in a way some other guys haven't. I think that was mostly strategic on his part for many reasons. He's been preparing to leave for a while now. I'm not talking about since 2017 or 2018, I'm talking about since like 5 years earlier than that. And for better or for worse that's going to impact how everyone feels about him on the way out. I had a similar reaction to his piece in the Players' Tribune as everyone else - I simply didn't care.
This is hindsight analysis in my opinion. He hasn't been distant, anymore than he always has been. He's got a pretty steady media presence, which is to not say that much, ever.

I can't believe people are throwing dirt on Brady's grave and wishing him bad riddance. It's Tom Brady. 20 years. 6 super bowls. Atlanta. Seattle. Rams twice. Comebacks. KC on the road. Historic dominance. Indelible moments. Iconic in his success and preparation. Ugz.

Tom Fucking Brady. Enjoy the memories, because they are literally unprecedented.
 

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This is hindsight analysis in my opinion. He hasn't been distant, anymore than he always has been. He's got a pretty steady media presence, which is to not say that much, ever.

I can't believe people are throwing dirt on Brady's grave and wishing him bad riddance. It's Tom Brady. 20 years. 6 super bowls. Atlanta. Seattle. Rams twice. Comebacks. KC on the road. Historic dominance. Indelible moments. Iconic in his success and preparation. Ugz.

Tom Fucking Brady. Enjoy the memories, because they are literally unprecedented.
I didn't mean the distance was recent. Sorry about that.
 

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This is hindsight analysis in my opinion. He hasn't been distant, anymore than he always has been. He's got a pretty steady media presence, which is to not say that much, ever.

I can't believe people are throwing dirt on Brady's grave and wishing him bad riddance. It's Tom Brady. 20 years. 6 super bowls. Atlanta. Seattle. Rams twice. Comebacks. KC on the road. Historic dominance. Indelible moments. Iconic in his success and preparation. Ugz.

Tom Fucking Brady. Enjoy the memories, because they are literally unprecedented.
And like any number of truly iconic players who finished their careers with a different team (Jordan with the Wizards, Mays with the Mets, Ruth with the Braves), nobody will care in 20 years he donned another uniform for a season or two. He’s a Patriot, period.
 

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This is hindsight analysis in my opinion. He hasn't been distant, anymore than he always has been. He's got a pretty steady media presence, which is to not say that much, ever.

I can't believe people are throwing dirt on Brady's grave and wishing him bad riddance. It's Tom Brady. 20 years. 6 super bowls. Atlanta. Seattle. Rams twice. Comebacks. KC on the road. Historic dominance. Indelible moments. Iconic in his success and preparation. Ugz.

Tom Fucking Brady. Enjoy the memories, because they are literally unprecedented.
Who’s wishing him “bad riddance”?
 

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I see a lot of the criticisms of Brady's character as micro-critiquing, as in looking through a magnifying glass to find faults. I mean, the guy was the ultimate team player for 20 years, took less money than he could've gotten, raised the level of play all around him with his maniacal work ethic, was very smart, pioneered new ways of staying healthy, was incredibly clutch, always deflected praise to teammates and coaches, never provided bulletin board material, was humble to a fault, could slam a beer in about 2 seconds, and has a chin dimple that belongs in a DaVinci painting.

The guy was 99.98% perfect, and people are discussing the .02%. Whatever. I hope he kicks ass in TB and the Pats kick ass in NE.
 

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And like any number of truly iconic players who finished their careers with a different team (Jordan with the Wizards, Mays with the Mets, Ruth with the Braves), nobody will care in 20 years he donned another uniform for a season or two. He’s a Patriot, period.
I slightly disagree, I think if Brady has a decent year in TB (say, 4,000 yards, 30TDs and 15 INTS or so) and TB wins 11 games, it will be an interesting add on to his legacy once he does hang them up. You could say that even when he left New England and BB, he was pretty good when he was 43. If he is just complete toast in Tampa, I think everyone will forget it happened 20 years from now.
 

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The Pats are still in a grace period for me for a while. I don't get what Brady has to do with that
Cuz he was a pretty big factor in all that. I'm not talking about becoming a Bucs fan, just saying that dude can pretty much do what he wants and I'm fine--he's earned it to me. He didn't pull a Boggs or Clemens and go to the MFYs.

And I know you're not saying he didn't earn that, you just don't really care about him now. To me, if he goes and wins more (games, not necessarily Super Bowls) all it does is burnish what he did here.
 

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Cuz he was a pretty big factor in all that. I'm not talking about becoming a Bucs fan, just saying that dude can pretty much do what he wants and I'm fine--he's earned it to me. He didn't pull a Boggs or Clemens and go to the MFYs.

And I know you're not saying he didn't earn that, you just don't really care about him now. To me, if he goes and wins more (games, not necessarily Super Bowls) all it does is burnish what he did here.
Right I don't care either way, if he has a Manning 2015 year (minus the title) or if he has a Brady 2016 year it won't impact how I feel about him or won't really change my opinion of what he did for the Pats.

I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up not playing any snaps for them though.
 

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I slightly disagree, I think if Brady has a decent year in TB (say, 4,000 yards, 30TDs and 15 INTS or so) and TB wins 11 games, it will be an interesting add on to his legacy once he does hang them up. You could say that even when he left New England and BB, he was pretty good when he was 43. If he is just complete toast in Tampa, I think everyone will forget it happened 20 years from now.
Jordan was pretty decent his last two years in Washington (21 ppg, 6 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.5 spg), which I think is roughly equivalent to the QB numbers here. Point is just that it's really unlikely these last 1-3 years are anything more than a footnote to his Pats career.
 

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Curious, why would having a diet-exercise regimen make you care less about him?
Because a lot of it is not rooted in science. And his health guru is pretty much a confirmed snake oil salesman. It's just hard for me to respect somebody that falls for that kind of quackery and especially so when he actively promotes it to others.
 

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Because a lot of it is not rooted in science. And his health guru is pretty much a confirmed snake oil salesman. It's just hard for me to respect somebody that falls for that kind of quackery and especially so when he actively promotes it to others.
Ehhh.
For 40+ years the medical establishment pushed the line that you should avoid eating fats. It was supposedly rooted in science, double blind studies, the whole deal. And it was bullshit. They indirectly encouraged people to eat much more carbohydrates and to avoid even many beneficial fats and that was positively harmful for millions of people. I don't know for sure that Tom Brady's wrong and he's not pitching it from behind a podium with a seal that gives him the imprimatur of the U.S. gov't and he doesn't get paid tax money from me to do it.

("concussion water" is bullshit. Don't eat tomatoes? Ehh.)
 

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I have been slightly uncomfortable defending Brady from the world of Haterz for a while.

Categorisations of that translating to bitterness are off the mark or tone deaf. There's context to everything.

The TB12 brand is dumb and I've hated hearing about it for years. This article continues that post-career enlightenment Brady's been living during his career for the last few years and it there is any benefit to him leaving, at all, it's I don't have to hide my distaste for it anymore. From myself, I mean.
 

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It’s been obvious for a while that Brady is a different kind of dude and if I ever got a chance to have a beer with him (if he would drink a beer) there wouldn’t be much to talk about outside of me going full Chris Farley show on him. But that’s partially why he’s been so successful. It’s like people who wanted Manny to be Manny at the plate but not a flake in the outfield or a distraction in the clubhouse. You don’t get to pick and choose the parts of the athletes you root for. Brady is pretty much singularly obsessed with being a great football player to the exclusion of everything else other than maybe his family. As far as we know off the field he’s in the upper tier of NFL players as far as issues to be concerned about. That’s good enough for me. He’s my favorite athlete of all time and nobody else is close other than maybe Papi.

As a fan he owes me nothing and I’ll continue to hope he has success until he hangs them up. Either his tenure in Tampa will be forgettable and nobody will care, or he leads them to a SB in which case it furthers his legend. Either way I’m cool.
 

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Curious, why would having a diet-exercise regimen make you care less about him?
I'd assume the snake-oil stuff about concussion water and whatnot turned some people off.

You want to preach about stretching and flexibility to the exclusion of weight training, you're not hurting anybody. But trying to downplay what medicine knows about concussions in favor of your own preferred solution... I'm not saying it's that big a deal, but I can understand why it is to others.

Cuz he was a pretty big factor in all that. I'm not talking about becoming a Bucs fan, just saying that dude can pretty much do what he wants and I'm fine--he's earned it to me. He didn't pull a Boggs or Clemens and go to the MFYs.
One of the funniest parts of how he's regarded around the league is that as soon as it looked like there was an actual chance he'd leave for another team, EVERY rival fanbase started contemplating their squad with him on it, and started looking askance at their own QB (with few exceptions). Here in Pittsburgh people at the barbershop suddenly had this view that Ben was over the hill and "at least Brady's still got it". Indy would've take anybody. I bet luckiestman would've driven Darnold to the airport himself if it meant TB12 was coming in to replace him. And Giants fans had been talking about it too.

That delicious irony just revealed for me that all the hate was sour grapes about losing. It's like how 31/31 teams would dump their coach to hire Belichick. Probably 26/31 would fire their QB out of a cannon to get 43yo Tom Brady. Seemed like an "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" analogue or something.
 
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I’m in the opposite boat as many of you guys. The only guy whose jersey I ever bought more than twice (four or five times). The last decade or so I went from watching hockey, baseball, and football to just watching football. When I talk about my favorite Patriot it’s always who my second favorite is because Brady was always the guy. I’m not going to waste your time waxing poetic on why he was special to me. Gronk retiring also stung a lot. Back to back years where the off-season has felt like a funeral.

Brady is the greatest QB to play the game. He is the Wayne Gretzky of football. 199. Sixth fucking round. One ring for each round. We think about draft classes as huge. 250+ people get picked. He has 249 wins, you could do a seven round draft of Brady wins.

I remember listening to a basic ass lecture to get credits one night on different communication styles and how some cultures say things we would perceive as in a subtle way when if you take off our filter are actually clear and apparent. I think Brady spelled it out in the most dignified and indirect way possible. He had a balancing act of not pissing off Kraft or Pats fans off while revealing his reasons for wanting to step away. HT to Lombardi who also helped translate.*

Brady has been choking down BB’s shit for 20 years now and he still treats him like he’s just one of 53 guys. The offensive skill position players are some of the worst in his career and it isn’t looking like 2020 is going to be promising there. The same dreck at tight end is still there. WR is unchanged minus Dorsett for Byrd. Jules is a year older. The window, which is a term we outsiders use, is closed. It made sense to go somewhere where a team has 2 year window and weapons to win it all potential. New challenge, fresh start, no Coach Gloom and Doom. He also likes the idea of a new challenge. After 20 years I have nothing but love and admiration for the guy and wish they had drafted and signed better position players the last 2-3 years and had more to entice him to stay. If Antonio Brown hadn’t had those awful accusations against him I bet Brady would be back. I’d also bet that they would have made a deep run.

*Side note: I can’t stress enough how Mike Lombardi is basically drunk uncle Belichick on truth serum. Two years ago he practically gave away the Sony pick. Last year he all but told us it was a WR and Joejuan Williams and the two at the top were AJ Brown and Harry. Lombardi tells you how their front office feels about pro players too like Antonio Brown. Don’t take him as gospel for everything he says but directionally (he’s a good proxy - not the horses mouth) he’s as close as we get to listening to BB lower his guard. By the way I’m not the only one who sees Lombardi this way. Evan Silva does too. He has a pod, The GM Shuffle. It’s free and he almost always talks about the Pats.
 

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Fuck everyone here rooting against Brady. Seriously.

Dude is basically the sole reason we have 6 superbowls. Sick of his shit? Good. Root for the Patriots. I'll be doing that as well. But I'm not forgetting where we came from.

Again. Seriously. Fuck off.
 

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Fuck everyone here rooting against Brady. Seriously.

Dude is basically the sole reason we have 6 superbowls. Sick of his shit? Good. Root for the Patriots. I'll be doing that as well. But I'm not forgetting where we came from.

Again. Seriously. Fuck off.
All of this. Buncha spoiled ingrates. The best player in NFL history just finished his career here as the most successful American professional athlete of the last 50 years. I really can't understand any reaction more severe than not caring about what happens with him going forward. If he'd gone to a rival sure, but he went to one of the [precious few] teams with which the Pats have no recent history of any kind. Nothing he does in Tampa will diminish what he did over the last 20 years, and it's extremely unlikely anything he does in Tampa will impact what happens in NE going forward.
 

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Fuck everyone here rooting against Brady. Seriously.

Dude is basically the sole reason we have 6 superbowls. Sick of his shit? Good. Root for the Patriots. I'll be doing that as well. But I'm not forgetting where we came from.

Again. Seriously. Fuck off.
Is he the sole reason? Or is Belichick more than slightly also a factor?

Fuck you for strawmanning a dislike for Brady's weird personal life, a legitimate justification from the weird guy, into the standard COUNT THE RINGZ BITCHEZEZ bullshit that makes the free world hate the patriots.

No one here has said anything lessening his impact on the success of a team many of us were sadly embarrassed to follow as children.

No one here has suggested any of the typically bullshit things you're suggesting.

Seriously. Fuck off.
 

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All of this. Buncha spoiled ingrates. The best player in NFL history just finished his career here as the most successful American professional athlete of the last 50 years. I really can't understand any reaction more severe than not caring about what happens with him going forward. If he'd gone to a rival sure, but he went to one of the [precious few] teams with which the Pats have no recent history of any kind. Nothing he does in Tampa will diminish what he did over the last 20 years, and it's extremely unlikely anything he does in Tampa will impact what happens in NE going forward.
I may be wrong but doesn’t feel like more than a tiny % openly rooting against him. The vast majority seems to fall in the “don’t care” category.
 

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Fuck everyone here rooting against Brady. Seriously.

Dude is basically the sole reason we have 6 superbowls. Sick of his shit? Good. Root for the Patriots. I'll be doing that as well. But I'm not forgetting where we came from.

Again. Seriously. Fuck off.
I agree people who are rooting against Brady are like the people who booed Keith Foulke---spoiled beyond imagination.

Saying Brady is the sole reason Pats won Super Bowls is no less silly than booing him, though.
 

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I may be wrong but doesn’t feel like more than a tiny % openly rooting against him. The vast majority seems to fall in the “don’t care” category.
Yeah, funny reactions. It’s as if some people aren’t even reading this thread. Everyone obviously reveres Brady the player.
 

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Listening to Brady on Stern. He said he knew before the start of last season it was his last year. Basically he has no hard feelings. He said it was time to move on. Said he spoke with Belichick and Kraft before the start of last season and they all agreed it was time for Brady to be a free agent. He said he didn't feel like he could perform in NE at the highest level (Stern didn't follow up on this but it seems he thinks the offense sucks).
 

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Is it me or are people tilting at imaginary windmills?

The "worst" I read is that one poster hopes Tampa loses. That's not so different that where I am, which is indifferent to how they do. I also get why some Pats fans would hope that Tampa wins and Brady gets another title.

But here's the thing. It's not ungrateful to Tom Brady for all he did in NE to not give a shit about how he does in Tampa. A person can have endless gratitude to Tom, revere him as a Patriot and feel some resentment that he chose to leave. Certain iconic players -- such as Jeter, Rivera, Russell and Bird --played for only one team, and Tom Brady sure seems like a player who could or even should fit into that category. Sure, Brady earned the right, in spades, to choose whether to be such a player. But you can love Tom, appreciate him and feel grateful to him and, at the same time, think he made a crappy choice, and feel some bitterness about that aspect of him.

This is not me ghost writing for myself. I do well understand that emotion even though I am not there. Like others, I'm not rooting against Brady, and am glad that I will have another team that I will be legitimately interested in. Someone wrote that they have ordinarily focused on two games -- Pats and Jets -- every Sunday and that describes me well. In recent years, I've had an eye on the Niners and Jimmy G, too. This year, if there is a this year, the Bucs will slot into the Jets territory, and I will DVR or watch Tom's games.

But I dunno, it seems harsh to be so judgmental of fans who look at Brady differently than you. Said differently, I call BS on the notion that rooting against the Bucs indicates a lack of gratitude.
 

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Listening to Brady on Stern. He said he knew before the start of last season it was his last year. Basically he has no hard feelings. He said it was time to move on. Said he spoke with Belichick and Kraft before the start of last season and they all agreed it was time for Brady to be a free agent. He said he didn't feel like he could perform in NE at the highest level (Stern didn't follow up on this but it seems he thinks the offense sucks).
He didn't make the effort to perform at the highest level in New England in his final season. He could have attended OTA's and worked with the young players. Instead he didn't. Look I love Brady but I don't care either way what he does in Tampa.
 

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Listening to Brady on Stern. He said he knew before the start of last season it was his last year. Basically he has no hard feelings. He said it was time to move on. Said he spoke with Belichick and Kraft before the start of last season and they all agreed it was time for Brady to be a free agent. He said he didn't feel like he could perform in NE at the highest level (Stern didn't follow up on this but it seems he thinks the offense sucks).
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He didn't make the effort to perform at the highest level in New England in his final season. He could have attended OTA's and worked with the young players. Instead he didn't. Look I love Brady but I don't care either way what he does in Tampa.
If I wanted to listen to WEEI I'd turn on the radio. Brady's effort level is the problem? Get a grip
 

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He's been on for a long time and nothing really football related other than what I posted above. Or nothing really interesting from a football perspective.

It's pretty standard Tom Brady stuff - he's a very disciplined guy who loves football. Loves Belichick, Kraft, and New England. Loves his family. Loves Jeter and Kobe. Loves Giselle. Loves his Dad. Loves to compete. He loves his privacy. It is a fine interview if you never heard Tom Brady interviewed.

A few years ago Giselle thought he was spending too much time on football and not the family.
 
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Full quote for context

“I would say, ‘I don’t have any trust that this guy can help us win the game,'” Brady said. “I’ve definitely expressed my opinion to say ‘If you put him out there, I’m not going to throw him the ball.’ The whole team is trusting me to do what’s right by the team, so you can’t put someone out there who I don’t believe in. Because if I don’t believe in him, it’s worthless for the team. I think fortunately for me, Coach Belichick always saw it the same way as me, which is why I think we had such a great connection. He saw football very much the same way that I saw it. All the coaches that I worked with on a daily basis, they want the same thing.”
 

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Is it me or are people tilting at imaginary windmills?

The "worst" I read is that one poster hopes Tampa loses. That's not so different that where I am, which is indifferent to how they do. I also get why some Pats fans would hope that Tampa wins and Brady gets another title.

But here's the thing. It's not ungrateful to Tom Brady for all he did in NE to not give a shit about how he does in Tampa. A person can have endless gratitude to Tom, revere him as a Patriot and feel some resentment that he chose to leave. Certain iconic players -- such as Jeter, Rivera, Russell and Bird --played for only one team, and Tom Brady sure seems like a player who could or even should fit into that category. Sure, Brady earned the right, in spades, to choose whether to be such a player. But you can love Tom, appreciate him and feel grateful to him and, at the same time, think he made a crappy choice, and feel some bitterness about that aspect of him.

This is not me ghost writing for myself. I do well understand that emotion even though I am not there. Like others, I'm not rooting against Brady, and am glad that I will have another team that I will be legitimately interested in. Someone wrote that they have ordinarily focused on two games -- Pats and Jets -- every Sunday and that describes me well. In recent years, I've had an eye on the Niners and Jimmy G, too. This year, if there is a this year, the Bucs will slot into the Jets territory, and I will DVR or watch Tom's games.

But I dunno, it seems harsh to be so judgmental of fans who look at Brady differently than you. Said differently, I call BS on the notion that rooting against the Bucs indicates a lack of gratitude.
Why is this loyalty thing always a one way street? Vince Wilfork earned the right to finish his career with the Patriots and Belichick cut him the moment his value lessened.
 
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