Gone Brady Gone

Who'll Have a Better Record in 2020?

  • Brady with the Bucs

    Votes: 50 70.4%
  • BB with the Patriots

    Votes: 21 29.6%

  • Total voters
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Super Nomario

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It's an example of Wickersham pushing the narrative and then using his sources to build the narrative he wants. One watch of the Football Life special with Belichick indicates that there were no issues between Brady and Belichick in 2009.
I don't know, relationships are complicated. They may have had an issue in 2008, but smoothed it over by 2009. That doesn't mean it went away entirely. I think the team has some control over the Football Life stuff, so any friction scenes (and they know they're on camera) might have been left on the cutting room floor. As another example, one of the Holley books describes the complicated relationship Belichick had with Lawyer Milloy, where Milloy was a film junkie and a team leader and a pain in the butt who eventually had to go.

I was pretty dismissive of this stuff over the past couple years - Brady selling his mansion, the rumored friction between Guerrero and the team, the "Kraft made Brady trade Jimmy" stuff, but in light of the fact that Brady actually did leave, I don't know how we can rule it out.

I really think Brady was always gone unless he had assurances he got to stay with the Patriots the way he wanted.

Brady and his father (his father is in San Francisco radio a fair amount) have been pretty open about their belief that it would most likely end badly with Bill and the Patriot way of doing what’s best for the team.

so barring getting the contract that makes it almost impossible for him not to reach age 45 season with the Pats, Brady was always going to chose the leave one year before Bill thinks it’s time to leave you one year before you go south.

Brady got to end it on his terms. He made the choice. And I think that means something to him.

He earned every bit of it, and I wish he was still a Patriot
I agree with all this. And even in his recent contracts, while Brady took less money, he had a lot of guaranteed money, making it difficult for the team to move on.
 

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For whatever reason - maybe because Schefter linked it - I read Peter King this morning. Not much we didn’t know but he closed his Brady piece with this:

I do not fault Belichick for this. I do not fault Brady for this. There is no fault. There is just life.


Seems about right.
 

lexrageorge

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I keep going back to the same basic point in my head. I don't have any special insight, but instead just piecing together all the media reports.

Brady wanted a contract that was similar to what Brees got from the Saints. A contract like that would have kept him here for 2 more years, possibly 3. And it wasn't the absolute dollars that mattered. It's just that Brady probably felt he should be paid commensurate with his peers, and Brees is as good as a comparable as any. Had New England offered that in February, Brady is a Patriot for 2020.

Belichick the GM wasn't willing to go there. And the Pats likely felt that offering anything less without having Brady's side making a proposal first would result them in negotiating against themselves. So it came down to Bill saying: have your agent call me with a proposal, and we'll go from there. And Brady wasn't willing to negotiate that way.

I can truly take a "both sides" view here. Can't blame Brady for wanting to be paid Brees-like money as a show of respect. Can't blame Belichick for holding the line to keep the team out of cap hell in 2021 and 2022. I do believe the real risk with Brady is not that he falls off a talent cliff; it's that an injury happens that causes his production to fall off a cliff when he returns. That's the real risk, IMO, with a 40-something year old QB. Still may have ended up with something close to the Tampa offer had either side shown some flexibility during the negotiations, but both sides decided to approach it 100% like a business discussion, which is how successful business entities are run.

But, hey, Wickersham's story is more fun to read, so it will be assumed to be the truth going forward.
 

BaseballJones

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Who between Belichick and Brady is more likely to write a book that tells the whole story here?

(obviously the story would be told from that person's perspective and not actually be the 'whole' story, but you get my meaning)

I say Brady.
 

BaseballJones

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There is the whole "learning a new offense" part of it.
I agree. But I also bet that BB was unhappy with Brady's choice to skip OTAs. Yes Brady is still great, but BB knows that there are other players who need to get in sync with Brady; it's not just about Brady getting reps. It's about other players needing reps with Brady.

There are probably a million things that caused friction over the years. Think of your BEST relationship, and think of it being this close for 20 years. There's NO WAY that there aren't going to be SOME things that annoy the hell out of you (and them), and there's no way that there aren't going to be bumps (sometimes major) in the road. It's amazing that they worked so well together for 20 years and that it actually ended so amiably.

I still contend that Belichick knew he wanted to move on from Brady, but didn't want to trade or cut him. And so the best thing to do was to let Brady leave as a free agent. That way it's Brady's call, not Belichick's.
 

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I'm sure this has been addressed in other threads, but this seemed like the place for this conversation -- Brady is buying and into moving into Jeter's house in Tampa.


This irrationally pisses me off. TB12 is not normally tone deaf on these matters. I assume the cleaning crew will be initiating South Korea-level disinfecting and scrubbing before he moves in, but there are some stenches that cannot be Lysol'ed away.

And yes, I reread this several times just to be sure it was Derek Jeter's house, not Jeter Downs' house.
 

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I'm sure this has been addressed in other threads, but this seemed like the place for this conversation -- Brady is buying and into moving into Jeter's house in Tampa.


This irrationally pisses me off. TB12 is not normally tone deaf on these matters. I assume the cleaning crew will be initiating South Korea-level disinfecting and scrubbing before he moves in, but there are some stenches that cannot be Lysol'ed away.

And yes, I reread this several times just to be sure it was Derek Jeter's house, not Jeter Downs' house.
It's going to be even funnier when there is no NFL season and this was all pointless
 

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I'm sure this has been addressed in other threads, but this seemed like the place for this conversation -- Brady is buying and into moving into Jeter's house in Tampa.


This irrationally pisses me off. TB12 is not normally tone deaf on these matters. I assume the cleaning crew will be initiating South Korea-level disinfecting and scrubbing before he moves in, but there are some stenches that cannot be Lysol'ed away.

And yes, I reread this several times just to be sure it was Derek Jeter's house, not Jeter Downs' house.
I wonder if there was an awkward moment where Jeter offered to throw in the cutlery and glassware and Brady had to thanks but no thanks him after Gisele said her piece.
 

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It's going to be even funnier when there is no NFL season and this was all pointless
Won't be funny at all. If there is no NFL season, then we are all screwed. the last thing we will be thinking about is Brady not playing here in Tampa Bay. Sky high unemployment and a brutal recession.
 

genoasalami

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I live about 5 miles from here. He's gonna like the lifestyle. The biggest question is how will he adapt to the brutal summer heat and humidity that is unrelenting until Halloween. Bucs finally built an indoor training facility a few years ago, so that helps.

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What happens when of the media's best celebrity interviewers faces off against the most dull interviewee possible.
Yeah, I don't know, which is why I'll try to listen. My guess is we learn at least a couple of things about Brady that we did not know before. Say what you want about Stern but he has an uncanny ability to get celebrities to open up in ways that they don't with any other member of the media.