He didn't remind the OL not to hold.Can someone post specifically what Mayo did that was so horrific?
He didn't remind the OL not to hold.Can someone post specifically what Mayo did that was so horrific?
He’s developing bad habits. We may need to be concerned!!There are some over-the-top comments today, then there's the laughable comment on SI by their reporters on Maye's performance today
A pass that was purposely thrown low, so only Henry had a chance, then bounced a couple of times into the arms of a defender was ill-advised?
Not necessarily. It's very common for the HC to make it known to the OC what approach he wants to take offensively in those situations. Not the play call specifically, but he could very well have told AVP "hey, make sure we run to burn some clock here and don't put ourselves in position to turn the ball over".Can someone post specifically what Mayo did that was so horrific? I’m not saying he wasn’t, but the one thing that really burned me up was him not challenging that 3rd down completion on the Colts last drive.
Aside from that… is it just general anger that we committed penalties and lost? I hated the 2 straight run calls after the pick, but that’s on AVP. The D was abysmal on the last drive (19 freaking plays!) but that was on the players IMHO.
10 guys on the current 53 are free agents, another 5-8 are end of the roster guys who probably won't be here.... could see 40% of the roster turn over this offseason. Only 31 guys are under contract for 2026 and I doubt all of them make it. 14 guys under contract in 2027 (the 8 rookies, Barmore, Dugger, Peppers, Stevenson, Tavai, Schooler).This is a good thread idea. How many can we realistically turn over in one offseason?
There won't be many changes to the QB, RB, or TE room (Brissett and Hasty likely get swapped out like for like).
But if you count on maybe 6 or 7 draftees making your roster, and sign lots of FAs, you might be looking at a total of 20 new guys or so.
Sure that’s possible. But we don’t know.Not necessarily. It's very common for the HC to make it known to the OC what approach he wants to take offensively in those situations. Not the play call specifically, but he could very well have told AVP "hey, make sure we run to burn some clock here and don't put ourselves in position to turn the ball over".
Can someone post specifically what Mayo did that was so horrific? I’m not saying he wasn’t, but the one thing that really burned me up was him not challenging that 3rd down completion on the Colts last drive.
Aside from that… is it just general anger that we committed penalties and lost? I hated the 2 straight run calls after the pick, but that’s on AVP. The D was abysmal on the last drive (19 freaking plays!) but that was on the players IMHO.
It was prior to the 2 minute warning, I believe.Inside of 2 minutes, he couldn't challenge that?
It was at 4:02, but I think he didn't challenge in part because replay assist didn't chime in, and you're less likely to win those, since if there was an obvious indisputable shot they should buzz down.Inside of 2 minutes, he couldn't challenge that?
It is literally a throw (low, soft to the point of almost handing the ball to the receiver) one has seen Mahomes make countless times, except Kelce catches those for TDs.Yeah, that's bonkers. It was a good throw, should have been a completion. Instead...INT thanks to Henry fumbling the ball about. That's a handful of turnovers by Maye that obviously all count, but weren't his fault at all.
Relying on replay assist would be ridiculous. That is completely arbitrary as far as how it is enforced.It was at 4:02, but I think he didn't challenge in part because replay assist didn't chime in, and you're less likely to win those, since if there was an obvious indisputable shot they should buzz down.
This was my thinking too. If replay assist didn't change the call, why should they expect it to be changed by throwing a challenge flag and risking the waste of a timeout? In short, the replay assist thing is fucking terrible because it introduces a new variable that is 100% dependent on some dude in the stadium replay booth arbitrarily deciding when to stop play or not.It was at 4:02, but I think he didn't challenge in part because replay assist didn't chime in, and you're less likely to win those, since if there was an obvious indisputable shot they should buzz down.
Patriot Elimination Day, Officially?Small footnote on the game - the Pats are officially eliminated from playoff contention
Oh wow, that’s an unfortunate acronym. I hadn’t noticedPEDO
40% of 53 is 21. So, kinda what I was thinking.10 guys on the current 53 are free agents, another 5-8 are end of the roster guys who probably won't be here.... could see 40% of the roster turn over this offseason.
Next week, we look forward to the return of the JEDO.Oh wow, that’s an unfortunate acronym. I hadn’t noticed
They said they didn't get a good replay on the sideline showing anything so they had no way of knowing if they had a decent shot, and I assume they thought the TO was more valuable.Relying on replay assist would be ridiculous. That is completely arbitrary as far as how it is enforced.
Not challenging that play at that point in the game was egregious. He didn't even appear to be considering it.
What're we doing here? Do we really think the Pats don't have someone doing this? This is EEI level. They literally asked Mayo postgame and he said they didn't have a good replay that showed there was chance of reversal.But Mayo still should have considered throwing a challenge flag. And if he didn't have someone in his headset telling him what replay showed, he is an idiot.
What do you think Mayo didn't understand? How replays work? Please be specific. You seem to be calling him stupid because it's a very easy situation. So, what did you mean?Folks in the game thread were ridiculously arguing that it wasn’t worth “losing” the challenge, and it’s likely Mayo also had a faulty understanding of the situation.
No it wasn't. This shows a faulty understanding of the situation.Teams often don’t get a good look and have to make a quick decision but it was a use it or lose it situation.
Of course it was. With 4 minutes left you’re unbelievably unlikely to get another chance at a challenge in the next 2 minutes. Holding the challenge for that possibility is ridiculous and therefore he uses the timeout excuse. However at that point in the game the possible yardage gain is more valuable than the lost timeout.What do you think Mayo didn't understand? How replays work? Please be specific. You seem to be calling him stupid because it's a very easy situation. So, what did you mean?
No it wasn't. This shows a faulty understanding of the situation.
uh was it?Of course it was. With 4 minutes left you’re unbelievably unlikely to get another chance at a challenge in the next 2 minutes. Holding the challenge for that possibility is ridiculous and therefore he uses the timeout excuse. However at that point in the game the possible yardage gain is more valuable than the lost timeout.
This is exactly what I was saying in the game thread. Barmore got completely chop blocked and the refs missed it despite the fact that it ended up being the key "block" Richardson needed to convert.Here’s that Barmore play…yikes!
View: https://twitter.com/bychrismason/status/1863351205080007032?s=46
I would've challenged because it would've made the play 4th and 10 as opposed to 4th and 3 which feels a lot more makable. But I agree with your logic that the replay officials not reversing that probably means they wouldn't have on a challenge either. Which is lame because I don't think it was a catch.uh was it?
7 yards versus a timeout up 7 with 4 minutes left is a pretty debatable unless you think you have a very good chance to win the challenge, and what information he had was that he wasn't that likely to win it, so unless the people in the booth tell him "we have a good angle, we're likely to win" he shouldn't throw the flag.
Can someone post video of the play?
The OL literally tackled Barmore pulling him backwards and down to the ground. No flag. LOLHere’s that Barmore play…yikes!
View: https://twitter.com/bychrismason/status/1863351205080007032?s=46
7 yards on 3rd down is worth a lot more than a TO up 7 with 4min left to play. 7 yards is worth even more when the other QB struggles mightily to complete passes downfield in any capacity but is one of the best short distance runners in the NFL.uh was it?
7 yards versus a timeout up 7 with 4 minutes left is a pretty debatable unless you think you have a very good chance to win the challenge, and what information he had was that he wasn't that likely to win it, so unless the people in the booth tell him "we have a good angle, we're likely to win" he shouldn't throw the flag.
My thing is... you need to have a good look to challenge a play when the difference is something like yards, if it was a pick or a 4th down conversion... sure, upside is higher, you need less certainty. Here, you have low certainty of success and the upside is... pretty low really. A timeout late in a 1 score game is big (as we saw, he misused his, but even then almost got to a GW FG, with 1 less.....)This is exactly what I was saying in the game thread. Barmore got completely chop blocked and the refs missed it despite the fact that it ended up being the key "block" Richardson needed to convert.
I would've challenged because it would've made the play 4th and 10 as opposed to 4th and 3 which feels a lot more makable. But I agree with your logic that the replay officials not reversing that probably means they wouldn't have on a challenge either. Which is lame because I don't think it was a catch.
View: https://twitter.com/NFLscheme/status/1863322631195226325Can someone post video of the play?
There is zero chance those odds are right, but even if they were....you aren't taking into account the odds of an overturn, which based on the situation and how calls have been made this year.... I think were quite low that the ref reviews that and see conclusive evidence of incompletion to overcome the call made on the field.7 yards on 3rd down is worth a lot more than a TO up 7 with 4min left to play. 7 yards is worth even more when the other QB struggles mightily to complete passes downfield in any capacity but is one of the best short distance runners in the NFL.
I would give IND a 15 or so % chance of converting a 4th and 10 compared to 85% converting a 4th and 3.
How did Mayo not have the live feed we had on TV? That looked like the ball hit the ground live, if they don't have the NBC feed in the booth what are they watching?
Just because it isn't on twitter doesn't mean the other angle that was shown live during the game doesn't exist. I'm fairly certain the all 22 will conclusively show it was not a catch just like the second angle which was replayed live during the game also showed. I'm more disappointed that Mayo claims they didn't get that replay more so than faulty logic on not wanting to challenge and risk losing a TO. How does NE not have the same replay millions of viewers have?There is zero chance those odds are right, but even if they were....you aren't taking into account the odds of an overturn, which based on the situation and how calls have been made this year.... I think were quite low that the ref reviews that and see conclusive evidence of incompletion to overcome the call made on the field.
nix is in a great situation with an amazing coach and qb whisperer. Maye would be outperforming him if he was the den qb1 imolol early in the season yes by far but the last 4-5 games NIX looks like a 10-11 win QB and a top 15 qb overall with nix and bill u are at least 6-6 because sean peyton is basiccy bill just on the off sdie of the ball
The ball can hit the ground. There has to be clear evidence that the player lost control of the ball.Have to disagree. Ball hit the ground. Richardson and Taylor are great at short yardage but Richardson is terrible at anything in the air. Worth the risk
I'm sure they did, it was pretty inconclusive, I was saying I couldn't find it for Dogman.Just because it isn't on twitter doesn't mean the other angle that was shown live during the game doesn't exist. I'm fairly certain the all 22 will conclusively show it was not a catch just like the second angle which was replayed live during the game also showed. I'm more disappointed that Mayo claims they didn't get that replay more so than faulty logic on not wanting to challenge and risk losing a TO. How does NE not have the same replay millions of viewers have?
You're making a huge assumption that it would be overturned, and the evidence suggests it would not. All completions are subject to replay assist, who overturns if they think it is clear and obvious that the call was wrong. They did not here. Now you can challenge, but the standard on a challenge is the same clear and obvious. I am unaware of any calls this year where the replay assist didn't call it in and the challenge was successful. Literally last week Mayo challenged a completion call that replay assist didn't overturn and the game thread was screaming hit the ground.... he lost.Have to disagree. Ball hit the ground. Richardson and Taylor are great at short yardage but Richardson is terrible at anything in the air. Worth the risk
I'm firmly in this camp, this is 100% on Kraft, been saying that all year long.Every single problem this team has boils down to Robert Kraft putting incompetents in charge.
AVP - incompetent.
Covington - incompetent
Mayo - incompetent
Wolf - so laughably incompetent there is no way he'll ever have another NFL job after this one
All 4 of these men are so bad at their jobs that the collective brain of SoSH would do a better job running the team and I do not say that lightly or glibly. Wolf in particular should be shot out of a cannon into the ocean for assembling this "offensive line", if you can even call it that.
You are enjoying this thread, aren't you? No judgements.Oh wow, that’s an unfortunate acronym. I hadn’t noticed
So if they challenged and lost, you want them to use another TO at 4 and 3?Here is the angle of the replay I was looking for. It is closer than I first thought, probably 50/50 if it is overturned or call stands. The ball does hit the ground 2 different times but you could argue the ball doesn't move enough. I still think it was worth challenging both because I think there was a chance it would be overturned but even if it isn't overturned taking a time out before 4th and 3 isn't the worst use of a TO to make sure you get your D set.
I would hope that they would be able to game plan for two specific outcomes at the same time. Have a play call that goes in if it is 4th & 10 and another if it is 4th & 3. The review takes longer than a 30sec time out so you have ample time to discuss both calls with the defense.So if they challenged and lost, you want them to use another TO at 4 and 3?
Anyways, I think he caught it and wasn't worth the challenge. Also, agreed above, this isn't a reason we lost. Red zone execution is the biggest culprit.
another week of sloppy penalties. Guess asking a coach to improve team discipline is a bridge too farI asked twice for specific detail on why Mayo was the primary reason why the Pats lost today. And no one has responded.
I’m still seeing nothing but vague complaints about being conservative/scared, and complaints about TO usage that have been pushed back on by others.
So I’m left thinking some of you are doing nothing more than throwing a tantrum and pinning everything on the head coach. Which, as mentioned in another post, is mouth breathing sports talk radio stuff.