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Yeah the pick and missed FG weren’t their fault. Change those 2 results alone and it should have been 30 points.
Mayo did botch the timeout usage on the missed FG drive. Didn't end up mattering, but it might have if they pick up the 1st without scoring.
 

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Other than the first drive and last drive, D was aces. But that last drive, ay yi yi.
The front line was pushed around all day by a few guys that were in street clothes earlier in the week. Did they even have one sack?
The d backfield was pretty good.
Following the pattern of the last 4 or 5 years, they are decent until they have to be at the end of the game.
I thought Mayo would at least be an asset on the d side of the ball.
Nope.
 

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At the end of the day, I thought it was an entertaining game. Maye is looking great. Gonzo looks great. I just wish the coaching staff would get out of Maye's way and just let the kid play. I would say that the play at the end of the game was a bold choice, but really was the wrong choice (and not just because they missed it). He needed to get further to set up anything short of the NFL record FG, and there wasn't enough time. Even as it was, he got down with 1 second to go which is really, just too risky of a play. Everything worked as well as possibly could, and all you got was an attempt to set the record for the longest FG. Was a hail Mary a better choice? Probably.
 

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The front line was pushed around all day by a few guys that were in street clothes earlier in the week. Did they even have one sack?
The d backfield was pretty good.
Following the pattern of the last 4 or 5 years, they are decent until they have to be at the end of the game.
I thought Mayo would at least be an asset on the d side of the ball.
Nope.
Yeah, also benefited from a bunch of drops and wide open guys missed with little pressure (and one real dubious OPI).
Did have two picks though which was nice. The pass D was better later.
 

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Plenty of player screw ups to call out, but the roster is bad, that’s what you get, to a degree. But it is the job of a coach to maximize whatever talent you have, and hide the deficiencies as much as possible by minimizing bad mistakes. Mayo has absolutely failed at that. Combined with his utter cluelessness in regards to challenges, using timeouts effectively, and general strategic incompetence, he really is the goat of the entire season.
 

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At the end of the day, I thought it was an entertaining game. Maye is looking great. Gonzo looks great. I just wish the coaching staff would get out of Maye's way and just let the kid play. I would say that the play at the end of the game was a bold choice, but really was the wrong choice (and not just because they missed it). He needed to get further to set up anything short of the NFL record FG, and there wasn't enough time. Even as it was, he got down with 1 second to go which is really, just too risky of a play. Everything worked as well as possibly could, and all you got was an attempt to set the record for the longest FG. Was a hail Mary a better choice? Probably.
It was incomprehensibly stupid to hope Slye would set the NFL record for longest FG on a 30 degree day in an open air stadium. If that's what Mayo was counting on, then he shouldn't see the post-game press conference.
 

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It was incomprehensibly stupid to hope Slye would set the NFL record for longest FG on a 30 degree day in an open air stadium. If that's what Mayo was counting on, then he shouldn't see the post-game press conference.
That doesn't even register among the top 99 issues from the game. He was damn close to making it and the only other option is a hail Mary which given our lack of big receivers makes it just about as likely to work as a 68yd FG. There simply wasn't enough time left to do much else.
 

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At the end of the day, I thought it was an entertaining game. Maye is looking great. Gonzo looks great. I just wish the coaching staff would get out of Maye's way and just let the kid play. I would say that the play at the end of the game was a bold choice, but really was the wrong choice (and not just because they missed it). He needed to get further to set up anything short of the NFL record FG, and there wasn't enough time. Even as it was, he got down with 1 second to go which is really, just too risky of a play. Everything worked as well as possibly could, and all you got was an attempt to set the record for the longest FG. Was a hail Mary a better choice? Probably.
A hail mary from the 41 is asking a lot. They had a time out and made an ok choice.
 

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That doesn't even register among the top 99 issues from the game. He was damn close to making it and the only other option is a hail Mary which given our lack of big receivers makes it just about as likely to work as a 68yd FG. There simply wasn't enough time left to do much else.
Also probably zero chance we can block long enough without holding to throw a hail mary.
 

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The fact that Maye looks this good with these "weapons" and O-line is super encouraging, his 1 INT was a fluke. I don't think there is another rookie QB I would trade him for at this point.

Not sure how much of that is Maye and how much is AVP, but AVP probably deserves at least some praise there. Not fair to blame him for other overall coaching discombobulation.
 

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The fact that Maye looks this good with these "weapons" and O-line is super encouraging, his 1 INT was a fluke. I don't think there is another rookie QB I would trade him for at this point.

Not sure how much of that is Maye and how much is AVP, but AVP probably deserves at least some praise there. Not fair to blame him for other overall coaching discombobulation.
What would Maye be behind a league average offensive line?
 

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FWIW, Mayo said this week that they are walking a line between playing to win and playing the kids more but hopefully that means Maye is cut loose even more in the last 4 games. They get a bye week to get Polk, Baker, and Bell ready. Hopefully we see that.

I really don't care about the loss. I'm not #MayoOut but if you are, you sound way too mad in this thread. Beyond that, why are rookie mistakes from players expected and not from coaches?

Also, console yourself with the fact we have as many wins as the Jets, who came into the season with their highest expectations in decades.
 

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Same goat as every other week:

Robert Kraft for hiring incompetent people to every level of the front office and coaching staff.
 

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I'm giving the entire coaching staff walking papers, not just goat designation. Special mention of AVP. He needs to be comfortable with the idea of Maye dropping back three times and going three and out. Maye is the way you win. If he doesn't do it for you, you weren't going to win anyway. Also, Maye really hasn't shown himself to string multiple bad throws in a row. If you're going to fuck up, do so aggressively. Enough with the timidity.
I think if you removed Maye and AVP from the equation and looked just at this O-Line and group of skill position players, you would be looking at a truly horrific offense.

The fact that they had 422 total yards against an NFL defense and were a chip shot FG miss/fluke INT from scoring over 30 is fairly amazing.

Maybe it's all Maye and AVP is a total dunce (I'd actually prefer this to be the case since that's more support we've got a legit QB on our hands!), but seems more likely that AVP is at least somewhat competent, even if he's not particularly great.
 
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I think if you removed Maye and AVP from the equation and looked just at this O-Line and group of skill position players, you would be looking at a truly horrific offense.

The fact that they had 422 total yards against an NFL defense and were a chip shot FG miss/fluke INT from scoring over 30 is fairly amazing.

Maybe it's all Maye and AVP is a total dunce (I'd actually prefer this to be the case since that's more support we've got a legit QB on our hands), but seems more likely that AVP is at least somewhat competent, even if he's not particularly great.
Yeah, everyone hates every OC, but they had a ton of production today, AND... that post says you have to drop Maye back every down.....if anything we probably threw too much, all those red-zone failures have something in common..... disastrous pass plays, holds, sacks, a complete inability to pass block. AVP is doing a really nice job developing Maye, and part of doing that is playing good offense and not letting defenses tee off on him behind a terrible line.
 

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FWIW, Mayo said this week that they are walking a line between playing to win and playing the kids more but hopefully that means Maye is cut loose even more in the last 4 games. They get a bye week to get Polk, Baker, and Bell ready. Hopefully we see that.

I really don't care about the loss. I'm not #MayoOut but if you are, you sound way too mad in this thread. Beyond that, why are rookie mistakes from players expected and not from coaches?

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Rookie mistakes are expected but so is growth and learning which IMO we haven’t seen.
 

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Every single problem this team has boils down to Robert Kraft putting incompetents in charge.


AVP - incompetent.
Covington - incompetent
Mayo - incompetent
Wolf - so laughably incompetent there is no way he'll ever have another NFL job after this one

All 4 of these men are so bad at their jobs that the collective brain of SoSH would do a better job running the team and I do not say that lightly or glibly. Wolf in particular should be shot out of a cannon into the ocean for assembling this "offensive line", if you can even call it that.
 

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Rookie mistakes are expected but so is growth and learning which IMO we haven’t seen.
It's also important to identify your mistakes...
I worry less about Maye throwing a pick and then saying "yeah I have to read that better" or a WR blowing a route and saying "yeah I ran the wrong depth", or even "we each read it the opposite way on that zone".... Mayo has never shown the slightest introspection, whenever asked about a mistake he says "Well people would be mad no matter what I did so I did it"... he never seems to identify his own mistakes, it's not a rookie mistake if you think it wasn't a mistake and promise to continue making it.
 

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Every single problem this team has boils down to Robert Kraft putting incompetents in charge.


AVP - incompetent.
Covington - incompetent
Mayo - incompetent
Wolf - so laughably incompetent there is no way he'll ever have another NFL job after this one

All 4 of these men are so bad at their jobs that the collective brain of SoSH would do a better job running the team and I do not say that lightly or glibly. Wolf in particular should be shot out of a cannon into the ocean for assembling this "offensive line", if you can even call it that.
AVP is clearly competent, I get people love to knock the OC (this board thought McDaniels was incompetent when he was one of the league's best) but he is clearly at the very least competent, and his work is getting praise nationally. Drake Maye is way ahead of expected schedule, the offense is the least talented in the league and looks like a real NFL offense.
 

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Bad teams never seem to get any breaks from the refs either. Or is that part of what makes them bad?
 

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There are some over-the-top comments today, then there's the laughable comment on SI by their reporters on Maye's performance today
Despite it coming in a losing effort, Drake Maye’s performance was excellent. Maye completed 24-of-30 passes for 238 yards, a touchdown and an ill-advised interception.
A pass that was purposely thrown low, so only Henry had a chance, then bounced a couple of times into the arms of a defender was ill-advised?
 

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This was a huge loss for the franchise and there should be no goats. Great chance to lose out and get a top 5, hopefully top 3 pick to be able to trade down slightly and/or pick the top non QB in the draft while also filling a need.
 

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There are some over-the-top comments today, then there's the laughable comment on SI by their reporters on Maye's performance today

A pass that was purposely thrown low, so only Henry had a chance, then bounced a couple of times into the arms of a defender was ill-advised?
Probably an AI-generated article.
 

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There are some over-the-top comments today, then there's the laughable comment on SI by their reporters on Maye's performance today

A pass that was purposely thrown low, so only Henry had a chance, then bounced a couple of times into the arms of a defender was ill-advised?
Yeah, that's bonkers. It was a good throw, should have been a completion. Instead...INT thanks to Henry fumbling the ball about. That's a handful of turnovers by Maye that obviously all count, but weren't his fault at all.
 

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Yeah, that's bonkers. It was a good throw, should have been a completion. Instead...INT thanks to Henry fumbling the ball about. That's a handful of turnovers by Maye that obviously all count, but weren't his fault at all.
It was also an excellent defensive play to get a hand on it... that it was an INT was pure bad luck
 

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AVP is clearly competent, I get people love to knock the OC (this board thought McDaniels was incompetent when he was one of the league's best) but he is clearly at the very least competent, and his work is getting praise nationally. Drake Maye is way ahead of expected schedule, the offense is the least talented in the league and looks like a real NFL offense.
Totally agree, Maye’s footwork was supposed to be something that held him back. He has looked pretty slick in the pocket. He has taught Maye how to play under center. He has tried to minimize the damage done to Maye by this league worst offensive line. The offensive line is a Wolf issue. My one beef with AVP is he has extracted no production from any of the other offensive rookies but they may be a Wolf issue as well. Ladd McConkey had 9 receptions for 117 yards today. Polk has 12 receptions for 87 yards for the fucking year.
 

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Totally agree, Maye’s footwork was supposed to be something that held him back. He has looked pretty slick in the pocket. He has taught Maye how to play under center. He has tried to minimize the damage done to Maye by this league worst offensive line. The offensive line is a Wolf issue. My one beef with AVP is he has extracted no production from any of the other offensive rookies but they may be a Wolf issue as well. Ladd McConkey had 9 receptions for 117 yards today. Polk has 12 receptions for 87 yards for the fucking year.
Yeah AVP is far from perfect, and there could be real concerns longer term about his ceiling as a play designer/caller, but the floor is... pretty good especially considering the talent
 

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Perfect game from this Pats team. They played well enough to keep me entertained but lost and kept the high draft pick in order. There are 45 guys on this roster and an entire coaching staff that could be let go on after January 5 and I wouldn't blink an eye. They nailed the most important piece and the early 2025 is all about building a new culture around that.
 

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Perfect game from this Pats team. They played well enough to keep me entertained but lost and kept the high draft pick in order. There are 45 guys on this roster and an entire coaching staff that could be let go on after January 5 and I wouldn't blink an eye. They nailed the most important piece and the early 2025 is all about building a new culture around that.
if the pats couild play every game like today they win 8 games next season
 

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Perfect game from this Pats team. They played well enough to keep me entertained but lost and kept the high draft pick in order. There are 45 guys on this roster and an entire coaching staff that could be let go on after January 5 and I wouldn't blink an eye. They nailed the most important piece and the early 2025 is all about building a new culture around that.
You can make a case that 75% of this roster should be turned over along with the coaching staff.
 

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AVP is clearly competent, I get people love to knock the OC (this board thought McDaniels was incompetent when he was one of the league's best) but he is clearly at the very least competent, and his work is getting praise nationally. Drake Maye is way ahead of expected schedule, the offense is the least talented in the league and looks like a real NFL offense.
maye is better than c williams
 

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maybe 2025 u cant turn over 90% of the roster in 1 offseason unless u turn the cap off in madden
This is a good thread idea. How many can we realistically turn over in one offseason?

There won't be many changes to the QB, RB, or TE room (Brissett and Hasty likely get swapped out like for like).

But if you count on maybe 6 or 7 draftees making your roster, and sign lots of FAs, you might be looking at a total of 20 new guys or so.
 

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Can someone post specifically what Mayo did that was so horrific? I’m not saying he wasn’t, but the one thing that really burned me up was him not challenging that 3rd down completion on the Colts last drive.

Aside from that… is it just general anger that we committed penalties and lost? I hated the 2 straight run calls after the pick, but that’s on AVP. The D was abysmal on the last drive (19 freaking plays!) but that was on the players IMHO.