Goats vs Colts

Eddie Jurak

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1. The offensive line for killing 2 red zone possessions with sacks and penalties.
2. Jerod Mayo/AVP, whose ultraconservative coaching style once again killed the Pats.
3. Overall red zone awfulness.

Drive 1: Pats get 1st and goal from the seven, but Maye is sacked, then Gibson runs for 2, then Maye is sacked. This is mostly on the OL, but I also hate the fucking predictable second and long run.

Drive 2: Pats get 1st and 10 at the 13. Maye hits Henry for 11. First and goal at the 2. Stevenson scores, but TD comes off the board due to holding. From the 12, Maye hits Hooper for no gain, but another holding backs them up to the 22. They fucking run the ball for the most useless 5 yard gain of the game on the way to having to settle for a FG.

Drive 3: After an interception gives them the ball on the Indy side of the field, Stevenson gets stuffed for one yard, Maye hits Hooper for 8, and then the Pats brilliantly take the ball out of Maye's hands and let Stevenson get stuffed again, before Slye kicks a 54 yard FG.

Drive 4: Maye is 5-5 for 45 yards including a great throw to Hooper for 16 yard TD.

Drive 5: Pats get to first and 10 from the Indy 11 and they fucking run the ball twice, for 1 and 6 yards. On third and 2 from the 3, a predictable passing down, Maye is sacked. Slye missed the FG, which ultimately costs them the game.

Drive 6: Second and 3 from the Indy 7, Maye's pass for Henry is picked off. Maye's pass was slightly off target, but the INT was a fluke.

Drive 7: Second and 5 from the Indy 6, Maye hits Bourne for a 5 yard TD, called back because of an illegal motion penalty on Douglas. But Gibson gets it back with an 11 yard run. They then go for 2, and Maye hits Boutte for the conversion, on a great play by Boutte to make the catch short of the goal line and somehow bring the ball across as he fell.

Drive 8: With a 24-17 lead, CG picks off Richardson. The Pats have the ball on their own 48 with 7:59 left, and Mayo and AVO do what they do best - go into a defensive crouch. They run Stevenson twice for no gain and then Mayo is sacked on the third and long. This 3 and out sets up the Colts game winning drive.

Red Zone performance: 6 chances, 21 points, two TDs taken off the board because of penalties (although they got one back). One turnover. One missed FG.

This mignt have been Maye's most flawless game as a pro, but Mayo and AVP conspired to take the ball out of his hands as often as they could.
 
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j44thor

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Mayo for inexplicably not challenging the Mallory catch that lead to a much shorter 4th down play. Looked obvious that it wasn't a catch and IND didn't rush the play.
 

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Slye (for the chip shot miss)
Mayo not challenging the 3rd down Mallory catch

On the other hand:
Maye looks better and better each week.
I'm not blasting AVP for the runs after the pick. We had been gashing them up until then.
 

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Out gains 422 vs 253 yards.
Wins the TO battle 2 to 1.
Wins the time of possession.

How the hell did the Pats lose this game?

Pats commit 7 penalties to 2.

This is, once again, squarely on the coaching staff as a whole.
 

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There were some good performances today including Maye, Austin, Jones (up and down) and Gonzo. But their overall lack of effective OL and playmakers on D means they are at a disadvantage every snap. Theirs can beat the ours almost every play.
 

ZMart100

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Barmore should have blown up the 2 pt conversion but lost leverage. I'm not sure he has his strength back.
 

Cellar-Door

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Defense- no answer for the run game, a bunch of drops and bad throws away from getting shredded by even more than they did.
O-line- took points off the board, stopped a bunch of drives.
Slye- it's a fucking XP

I thought Covington and Mayo were generally bad (I think the end of game was actually fine, calculated risk to make them throw it knowing your pass D has been much better, and giving yourself two chances to stop them) first half... not sure what he was doing.
 

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The Colts were really bad and the fact that the game was even competitive was a bad sign. Idk. Defense is atrocious and offense can't get out of its own way. I agree with the poster above, Mayo Oline Mayo. Mayo is just flat out not it. That's the only thing I'm really confident about with this year, that he's not the guy.
 

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This defense is a disgrace. All you needed was one negative play on that drive and the Colts don’t have enough time. Clowns.
 

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Mayo…horrible clock management (again) at end of first half. Unforgivable non challenge of 3rd down catch on final drive. Nothing to lose but a timeout as challenge was useless going forward
Kraft. Seeing Robert and Jonathan in their box literally makes me nauseous
Slye. Can’t miss from so close in good conditions
 

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I'm giving the entire coaching staff walking papers, not just goat designation. Special mention of AVP. He needs to be comfortable with the idea of Maye dropping back three times and going three and out. Maye is the way you win. If he doesn't do it for you, you weren't going to win anyway. Also, Maye really hasn't shown himself to string multiple bad throws in a row. If you're going to fuck up, do so aggressively. Enough with the timidity.
 

Euclis20

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Mayo and the offensive line. I have 0 patience for ultraconservative play-calling when you don't have an elite defense (gotta admit that I smiled when the Colts coach showed the balls to go for the win after Mayo did the opposite earlier this year), and we'll put the million offensive penalties on both the O-line and coaching. My only wish for next year is a league average offensive line.
 

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Why the fuck does Mayo coach so scared? What’s he trying to protect? The team has three fucking wins and is going nowhere, have some balls.

As noted in the game thread, three runs after the pick was an abomination. Drake Maye is your best player on offense, who gives a shit if he’s a rookie in his 8th start. He is far and away the best player on offense, maybe the best player on the team. Put the ball in his hands and let him win you the game, you stupid motherfuckers.
 

BaseballJones

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Out gains 422 vs 253 yards.
Wins the TO battle 2 to 1.
Wins the time of possession.

How the hell did the Pats lose this game?

Pats commit 7 penalties to 2.

This is, once again, squarely on the coaching staff as a whole.
Or on the guys committing the holding penalties?
 

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Slye (for the chip shot miss)
Mayo not challenging the 3rd down Mallory catch

On the other hand:
Maye looks better and better each week.
I'm not blasting AVP for the runs after the pick. We had been gashing them up until then.
Eh. Slye is about 92nd on my GOAT list. Reliable guy; shit happens. That play is forgotten by the end of the third quarter on a competently coached team,.
 

Eddie Jurak

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I'm not blasting AVP for the runs after the pick. We had been gashing them up until then.
I'm blasting him. Indy had success rushing Maye on long-yardage obvious passing downs. If Mayo wanted to be conservative he should have called run on first (which he did), play action or stright pass on second, draw on third.
 

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I thought AVP was pretty good. If the most we can complain about is calling 2 runs in a row against one of the worst run defense in the league.... he had a good game.

We lost because we choked away a couple red zone trips and our defense couldn't stop the run at all.
 

Steve Dillard

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Game ball to Mayo for losing it at the end and not imperiling the top pick. That was close!
Yup. No way 5-12 is better than 4-13.
If you want Mayo out, 4-13 is better.
If you want a better pick/draft capital, 4-13 is better.
If you want someone else picking the groceries, 4-13 is better.

OL, DL, LB. Only then are WR to be addressed.
 

BaseballJones

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I thought AVP was pretty good. If the most we can complain about is calling 2 runs in a row against one of the worst run defense in the league.... he had a good game.
In a game where the Pats ran for 200 yards on 31 carries (6.5 y/a). Take out Maye and it's still 26 carries for 141 (5.4 y/a).
 

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Eh. Slye is about 92nd on my GOAT list. Reliable guy; shit happens. That play is forgotten by the end of the third quarter on a competently coached team,.
Yeah, if you are the best FG kicker of all time you’re going to fub a few. It’s not his fault he had approximately 47 attempts this game.
 

Eddie Jurak

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I thought AVP was pretty good. If the most we can complain about is calling 2 runs in a row against one of the worst run defense in the league.... he had a good game.

We lost because we choked away a couple red zone trips and our defense couldn't stop the run at all.
I blame AVP and Mayo for choking away the red zone trips.
 

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Other than the first drive and last drive, D was aces. But that last drive, ay yi yi.
Between that drive, the chip shot FG miss, and the flukey goal line INT, that's what caused the loss. The trouble is that good teams don't have to use excuses. They can just go execute and not go 3-and-out after the Gonzo pick, or not constantly hold in the red zone. Mayo at least had the balls to throw the challenge on the obvious missed 1st down spot on the Maye run, but then panicked to not challenge that catch by Mallory. He's like the bulk of the players in the team: outmatched and shrugging.
 

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O-line for putting themselves in a position for the refs to make ticky tack holding calls
The refs for making those ticky tack holding calls
 

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I blame AVP and Mayo for choking away the red zone trips.
While I get it.... I don't think it's particularly fair, one was a dumb luck pick on what should have been a TD. All the others were the exact same issue.... they couldn't drop back to pass in the redzone without the O-line imploding (4 holds and 2 quick sacks between 3 drives)
 

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While I get it.... I don't think it's particularly fair, one was a dumb luck pick on what should have been a TD. All the others were the exact same issue.... they couldn't drop back to pass in the redzone without the O-line imploding (4 holds and 2 quick sacks between 3 drives)
Yeah the pick and missed FG weren’t their fault. Change those 2 results alone and it should have been 30 points.