Giancarlo Stanton Traded To Yankees

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It's hard not to reply to a lot of the posts trying to play the regression card on the Yankees next year. I don't think those folks paid a whole lot of attention to the 2100 at bats that went to Headley, Ellsbury, Chris Carter, Matt Holliday, Torreyes and Romine. Some regression? Maybe. How about replacing those ABs with productive players in 2018, though?
 

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And Sox will have Devers for a full season at 3B which is a massive upgrade from the drek they had there for most of the year. Add in Thornburg and Carson Smith for full seasons in the pen and Price in the rotation. I'd also count on better years from Betts, Benintendi, and Bogaerts. It all depends on whether DD can add a JD Martinez-type bat to round out the lineup.
Yeah, everything is going to go right for Boston that didn’t last year, and everyone who was really good last year will be just as good or better. Sure.

Re: Thornburg. Have you looked at the recovery of pitchers from that surgery? I’ll be surprised if he is able to make the major league team next year, let alone be an asset.
 

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It's hard not to reply to a lot of the posts trying to play the regression card on the Yankees next year. I don't think those folks paid a whole lot of attention to the 2100 at bats that went to Headley, Ellsbury, Chris Carter, Matt Holliday, Torreyes and Romine. Some regression? Maybe. How about replacing those ABs with productive players in 2018, though?
Precisely. And if the Yankees have injuries they’ve got highly rated prospects almost ready to fill in. The Red Sox have nothing in the high minors except Chavis, a platoon 1B in Travis, and a bunch of potentially decent middle relievers.
 

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There are probably better threads for the latest in who is ahead in the imaginary standings on December 10, let's try to keep this one close to Stanton area, please.
 

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I called this earlier and ya'll called me crazy but I think it's even likelier now that the Giants will shop Bumgarner since they have missed out on both Stanton & Ohtani. The Yankees should do what they need to in order to bring him in.
 

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After Holliday was struck down by the plague last year, NY ended up with Ellsbury and Headley at DH in the postseason. He will definitely not DH every game, but essentially NY just replaced that spot and Castro with Stanton and Torres.
 

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I called this earlier and ya'll called me crazy but I think it's even likelier now that the Giants will shop Bumgarner since they have missed out on both Stanton & Ohtani. The Yankees should do what they need to in order to bring him in.
Why would SF deal him? Only 28, a legend for the team, and won’t hit FA until 2020.
 

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They're coming off a last place finish and may be looking for a rebuild.

Disclaimer - All speculation on my part.

I think that FO is more image conscious than the Marlins. If they trade him there will be a shit load of backlash from giants fans.

And unlike the marlins the giants have more than one actual fan
 

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I really don't want to pay for The Athletic but I am very curious to read Scott Boras' official response to Rosenthal's take on how the Stanton deal will affect Harper's FA, maybe I can find it someplace.

 

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So Stanton had never fully figured out how to harness his awesome power until last season, his season high in HRs over his first seven seasons was 37. Through 67 games last year (through June 18), he had 17 HRs, which put him on pace for 41 for the season.

Then he changed his stance starting that night (article linked below) and went absolutely nuts, 42 more HRs in 93 games (73 HR pace ). If that fix is permanent and that last 93 games is who he is now, yowza.

https://www.mlb.com/news/stantons-closed-stance-fueling-hr-surge/c-249747112
 

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Most Batted Balls of 117+ MPH Last Season:
Aaron Judge 11
Giancarlo Stanton 9
Rest of MLB 6
I was trying to curb my public enthusiasm a bit, but if you are going to post that, this one is crazy, Stanton's have been added to NY's from last year:

 

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is there some significance to 117mph compared to 115mph for example? (I mean has someone plotted this over ballparks and shown a significant jump in production due to fence placements?) or is this just a variant on the multiple end point type cherrypicking?
 

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I kind of like the Yankees being the Yankees again. Fuck ‘em, too, but I missed these kinds of dickbag moves.
 

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So Stanton had never fully figured out how to harness his awesome power until last season, his season high in HRs over his first seven seasons was 37. Through 67 games last year (through June 18), he had 17 HRs, which put him on pace for 41 for the season.

Then he changed his stance starting that night (article linked below) and went absolutely nuts, 42 more HRs in 93 games (73 HR pace ). If that fix is permanent and that last 93 games is who he is now, yowza.

https://www.mlb.com/news/stantons-closed-stance-fueling-hr-surge/c-249747112
He also dramatically reduced his strikeout rate to just above league average, this is obviously great for his future, but it is also something that maybe he can work with Judge on.

Let’s not kid ourselves, these two are going to be able to relate on a lot of levels and I think that will result in them helping each other out in their game.
 

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is there some significance to 117mph compared to 115mph for example? (I mean has someone plotted this over ballparks and shown a significant jump in production due to fence placements?) or is this just a variant on the multiple end point type cherrypicking?
Yes, the latter, although it's not really cherry picking because either way it is all of the hardest hit balls in MLB down to a certain point, but I think the point is that pretty much no one hits it 117 MPH+ except Judge and Stanton, whereas if you drop it to 115, other guys creep in. Here is the full list of guys who hit balls 115 or harder last season:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R|&hfC=&hfSea=2017|&hfSit=&player_type=batter&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&metric_1=h_launch_speed&metric_1_gt=115&metric_1_lt=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=pitches&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_abs=0#results
 

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Pinstriped Prospects had Devers in their upcoming top 50 NY prospect list, they released the profile early because he was traded. He looks about 12 in this pic, he played in the GCL where guys average 21 to his 17:

http://pinstripedprospects.com/pinstriped-profile-jose-devers-26580/
21 definitely sounds old for the average player in the GCL. Pinstriped Prospects says he was 3.8 years younger than the average player in the league. Baseball Reference says he was 2.4 years younger. Still young for the league, but hardly a prodigy.

And Jim Callis is decidedly not impressed with him, saying he won't even make the Marlins top 30.
 
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Yeah, everything is going to go right for Boston that didn’t last year, and everyone who was really good last year will be just as good or better. Sure.
Precisely. And if the Yankees have injuries they’ve got highly rated prospects almost ready to fill in. The Red Sox have nothing in the high minors except Chavis, a platoon 1B in Travis, and a bunch of potentially decent middle relievers.
Do you not see the contradiction in these two posts? You're criticizing others for suggesting there is room for the Red Sox to improve and then you're doing that exact same thing with the Yankees. (Personally, I think there is room for both to improve - Yankees because they were already better than their record indicated last year, and Red Sox because pretty much all of their key players had somewhat disappointing years at the plate and they significant injuries to some of their key pitchers. And of course it's still very early in the offseason.)
 

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Well, the Yankees still need starting pitching. But on the plus side, I'm so glad to see Castro gone. He was erratic in the field and never saw a pitch he didn't like. Even if Torres isn't ready, the Yankees would be just as well off with Tyler Wade, a much more patient hitter, playing second.

So reports are that Stanton was willing to waive his no trade for the Yanks, Cubs, Dodgers and Astros. I'm a little surprised that one of those other three teams couldn't offer more, assuming they were willing to take on Stanton's huge contract.
 

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So reports are that Stanton was willing to waive his no trade for the Yanks, Cubs, Dodgers and Astros. I'm a little surprised that one of those other three teams couldn't offer more, assuming they were willing to take on Stanton's huge contract.
They weren't willing, that was the thing. The Dodgers insisted on sending back $75M in dead money, the Cubs have too many outfielders already and need to spend on the pitching staff, and the Astros made their big investment in Verlander in August. I have no idea what would have happened if the Yankees hadn't worked out a deal to take most of his contract, maybe he would have expanded his list a bit.
 

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yeah I get that they chose 117 to pick out those guys, but those guys are also well ahead if you used 115. 117 was such a weirdly specific number i wondered if it was somehow related to an expected flyball distance that had a specifically good "clear the fences" profile around MLB parks
I would love to know the difference between 110mph and 117mph in terms of actual hitter production if that number is going to be thrown out there. I mean if every MLB team had 2 pitchers who could throw 200 mph, I dont know why it would be relevant if the Yankees 2 actually could throw 299mph and then saying they have the only 2 guys in MLB who can top 298mph to make a more exaggerated OTT example, was the point I was trying to make (badly)
 

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yeah I get that they chose 117 to pick out those guys, but those guys are also well ahead if you used 115. 117 was such a weirdly specific number
The point with 117 is simply that those two are pretty much the only guys in baseball who seem capable of doing that, no one else in baseball did it more than once all season. If you look at the list of hardest hit balls from last season (http://sabr.org/sdi/2017-final), you'll see that other names start to creep in once you get down to 116.5 (which actually would have been the best cutoff line for this). If you prefer the stat that Judge and Stanton between them had 25 of the 32 hardest hit balls in all of MLB last year, go with that.
 
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Do you not see the contradiction in these two posts? You're criticizing others for suggesting there is room for the Red Sox to improve and then you're doing that exact same thing with the Yankees. (Personally, I think there is room for both to improve - Yankees because they were already better than their record indicated last year, and Red Sox because pretty much all of their key players had somewhat disappointing years at the plate and they significant injuries to some of their key pitchers. And of course it's still very early in the offseason.)
The way I read his post was as a rebuke to those presuming the Yankees will definitely take a step back, while the Red Sox will definitely take a step forward, and that the Yankees are perhaps better set up to compensate for a regression if it does occur.

I didn't follow the Sox roster enough to have any opinion on whether they'll improve, regress, or stay the same, but I see nothing to give me concern about the Yankees players regressing, bar Headley, Gardner, and Sabathia, all of whom have replacements waiting in the wings anyway.
 

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Stanton to NY press conference will be tomorrow in Orlando at the winter meetings. Exciting!!
 

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That’s sure to piss off the lone marlins fan.

How did MLB approve these new owners?
 

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That’s sure to piss off the lone marlins fan.
How did MLB approve these new owners?
Everyone keeps saying "How did MLB approve these new owners?" The new owners have had an incredibly clear path outlined from the get-go to gut the team payroll in year one and to reign in spending. All of a sudden people are pissed because a big market team got their best player by giving them the best offer they were going to get. There are rumors that the Marlins already have several suitors for Castro and its fair to say Guzman slots in as their top prospect. They also have a good shot at not having to pay $30m to the Yankees at all. Yes, the Yankees got a great deal butthe Marlins will do more than just save money here. The Dodgers reportedly wanted $75m back which is nuts no matter what the prospect package is.

The new owners need the TV deal and they need to find revenue streams outside of fans coming into the stadium. Judging them based on one trade 2 months after buying the team and following through on their promise is premature.
 

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As a Sox fan I'm only pissed that the Yankees felt no pain from this deal. Castro is a highly overrated player so in terms of baseball talent it's only this Guzman kid.
If the Yankees acquired the reigning MVP, I would have liked for them to have given up someone better than Guzman.
This is basically a money transaction, not much else.
 

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As a Sox fan I'm only pissed that the Yankees felt no pain from this deal. Castro is a highly overrated player so in terms of baseball talent it's only this Guzman kid.
If the Yankees acquired the reigning MVP, I would have liked for them to have given up someone better than Guzman.
This is basically a money transaction, not much else.
That’s pretty much it. Castro with his contract is basically a net zero value. The Yankees acquired the 27-year-old reigning MVP for a bargain basement contact price and gave up less in trade value than the 2 compensation picks teams lose to sign an actual impact free agent.
 
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As a Sox fan I'm only pissed that the Yankees felt no pain from this deal. Castro is a highly overrated player so in terms of baseball talent it's only this Guzman kid.
If the Yankees acquired the reigning MVP, I would have liked for them to have given up someone better than Guzman.
This is basically a money transaction, not much else.
What made this so unique and hard to predict in terms of return was that it was a mega player in his prime, with a full no trade clause, near the start of his big contract, as a pure salary dump. How many times has that happened?

A-Rod in 2003 is all I can think of off the top of my head, and the situations and deals are remarkably similar. Both A-Rod and Stanton were 3 years into their decade+ contracts, both had an impending opt-out, and full no trade clauses. Both were traded after winning an MVP (only the second and third time that happened, the first being Eddie Collins in 1914) and the deals were similarly structured, in A-Rod's case a minor leaguer and mid-priced veteran second basemen with 2 years left on his contract went the other way.
 

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Not the same thing by any stretch as Roger Maris was well past his prime in 1966 when the Yankees traded him to St. Louis for a journeyman third baseman, Charlie Smith. Maris was still good enough to bat third and play RF on a WS champ in 1967 and the runner up in 1968.
 

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What happens one or both of Judge and Stanton decide they don't like DH'ing? Not only that but they feel should be the everyday right fielder. Might be tough on a first year manager with little or no experience.
 
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That’s sure to piss off the lone marlins fan.

How did MLB approve these new owners?
I keep seeing this, and I don't quite get the reasoning. I mean, none of us has seen the books here. Loria gave a contract + No trade to Stanton that is near universally understood to be terrible for a team in a market of that size, let alone the implications for building a team that is constructed on a broader basis. And there were other bidders, no? If somebody had made a materially better offer, I'd think that'd be known.

If I'm a Marlins investor/Jeter, I do exactly what they did. I do whatever I can to get rid of that huge contract liability, and I don't really care who wants to take it on. Some prospects would be nice - but this is a fiscal deal. Not every team can give silly contracts to David Price/Panda/Hanley/Ellsbury/whomever, and save some money to give some more to Harper and Machado.

To me, getting rid of Stanton actually is a sign of potentially smart ownership. What'll be more interesting to me is what the Marlins do next.
 

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What happens one or both of Judge and Stanton decide they don't like DH'ing? Not only that but they feel should be the everyday right fielder. Might be tough on a first year manager with little or no experience.
One will be the every day left fielder.
 

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Gardner's contract is up after this year, although there's a club option for 2019. I don't think Cashman wants to trade him, but I could see it happening.
 

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What happens one or both of Judge and Stanton decide they don't like DH'ing? Not only that but they feel should be the everyday right fielder. Might be tough on a first year manager with little or no experience.
Clearly there would be tons of drama between these two well-known prima donna egotist megastars, and the inexperienced Boone will not be able to handle it and be openly criticized by Cashman in the mackpages of the Daily News, and the team will be dubbed 'The Bronx Zoo II.' The clubhouse disaster will be punctuated by a fist fight in right when they both take the field in the 9th inning of a crucial Sox/Yankees game that decides the division. Boone will be fired, they'll trade Judge to Oakland, Stanton will break his leg, and the Yankees will be in the basement for the next 6 years.

Or maybe as humble, well adjusted young men they'll handle being on the team together with class and maturity, and Boone finds ways to get the most out of them and make them happy to boot.