Gerald Wallace is a tool!!

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.......and may literally KILL Jeff Green before the seasons over!!

"Youre sitting, only playing 17 or 18 minutes a game, Wallace said. Youre watching, you know you can still play, and you watch guys in front of you who dont play with effort, dont respect the game and dont think team first. It kind of frustrates you and (ticks) you off. You have to deal with it.

This season is a slap in the face, having to change my game and fine-tune it, he said. First of all, it has to come mentally. You accept your situation, but theres two sides to your brain. One side is fighting the other side because of the predicament youre in. You feel you can still perform at the level you always have, but at the same time, youre doubting yourself."



Open letter from HRB to Crash:

Hey Crash what up brotha! I remember you in the SEC, brief spurts with the Kings and followed you closely when I lived in Charlotte, even saw you live a bunch of times.

You never really had any basketball skills. You hustled, you crashed the glass (hence the nickname) as a 3 or a 4 for the Bobcats and always gave good effort.......but you always sucked! You "led" the Bobcats to losses consistently throughout your time there, you couldn't dribble, shoot or really have any semblance of how to play the game properly.

You finally had a chance last year to fill a role on a winning team.....and you were arguably the worst player in the entire league! Now I get it that as a highly paid NBA player you are quite delusional and you are correct that Jeff Green's effort level is embarrassing at times this year.

But for the love of god will you please shut your damn mouth!!!

Much love,
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HomeRunBaker said:
Open letter from HRB to Crash:

Hey Crash what up brotha! I remember you in the SEC, brief spurts with the Kings and followed you closely when I lived in Charlotte, even saw you live a bunch of times.

You never really had any basketball skills. You hustled, you crashed the glass (hence the nickname) as a 3 or a 4 for the Bobcats and always gave good effort.......but you always sucked! You "led" the Bobcats to losses consistently throughout your time there, you couldn't dribble, shoot or really have any semblance of how to play the game properly.

You finally had a chance last year to fill a role on a winning team.....and you were arguably the worst player in the entire league! Now I get it that as a highly paid NBA player you are quite delusional and you are correct that Jeff Green's effort level is embarrassing at times this year.

But for the love of god will you please shut your damn mouth!!!

Much love,
Bakes
 
Seconded.....Radsoxfan.
 
It's incredible what a complete loser this guy is in every way.
 

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Was he talking about Green or Bass?
 
Edit- If he's so unhappy, I'm sure Danny would be willing to buy him out for $12M
 

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Cellar-Door said:
Was he talking about Green or Bass?
 
Edit- If he's so unhappy, I'm sure Danny would be willing to buy him out for $12M
Obviously I'm speculating but I'm pretty certain all signs point to Green as Bass has for the most part played aggressively and hard this year while Green has mostly mailed it in without giving full effort.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
.......and may literally KILL Jeff Green before the seasons over!!

"Youre sitting, only playing 17 or 18 minutes a game, Wallace said. Youre watching, you know you can still play, and you watch guys in front of you who dont play with effort, dont respect the game and dont think team first. It kind of frustrates you and (ticks) you off. You have to deal with it.

This season is a slap in the face, having to change my game and fine-tune it, he said. First of all, it has to come mentally. You accept your situation, but theres two sides to your brain. One side is fighting the other side because of the predicament youre in. You feel you can still perform at the level you always have, but at the same time, youre doubting yourself."
 
Whodathunk making $10m a year could be so painful, so alienating, so soul-destroying? Maybe Gerald should join Keith Bogans' rec team.
 
HomeRunBaker said:
Obviously I'm speculating but I'm pretty certain all signs point to Green as Bass has for the most part played aggressively and hard this year while Green has mostly mailed it in without giving full effort.
 
Green has failed to seize the opportunity. He could have been the World B. Green of the Celtics, piling up stats and increasing his trade value with every 39 point loss. Instead, he has shown that he's a (barely) complementary player at an uncomplementary position. Nobody needs a small forward who rebounds like a guard and can't create his own shot. Here's hoping that Rondo makes Green look great for ten games, after which both are traded.
 
On the bright side, Stevens has shown that he's willing to showcase talent in spite of performance, and Ainge has shown that he hasn't lost his itchy trigger finger.
 

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I've always said this about Green and i've yet to see evidence on the floor that disputes it......his best position is the 4 where he can take advantage of his speed/quickness while as a 3 these strengths are matched by other 3's. This was the case in OKC and as a 4 with us prior to this season.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
I've always said this about Green and i've yet to see evidence on the floor that disputes it......his best position is the 4 where he can take advantage of his speed/quickness while as a 3 these strengths are matched by other 3's. This was the case in OKC and as a 4 with us prior to this season.
 
The problem is that he's a pretty bad rebounder even for a SF, and as a PF it's a big liability.
 
His overall value is limited if he can only succeed on offense as a 4 given his other weaknesses unfortunately.
 

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The problem is that he's a pretty bad rebounder even for a SF, and as a PF it's a big liability.
 
His overall value is limited if he can only succeed on offense as a 4 given his other weaknesses unfortunately.
Jeff Green's best position is on another team. I like his defense on the ball (against 3's or 4's) and he's been rebounding a little better, but on offense he disappears way too often. He's not part of the solution.
 

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Jeff Green is a better version of Danny Green. Pretty darn good as your 4th best player, you could probably get by with him as your 3rd, not so much if he's top 2.
 

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Jeff Green is a better version of Danny Green. Pretty darn good as your 4th best player, you could probably get by with him as your 3rd, not so much if he's top 2.
If I could trade Jeff Green for Danny Green, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
 

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I think he'd be best at the 2 where his atrocious rebounding would be irrelevant. He could be nice defensively against 2s and he shoots ok...enough to justify it.
 

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I don't really see Green mailing it in; I think he's the same guy he's always been. He's just not really an aggressive player. We can wish otherwise, and I can see how his style would clash with a guy like Wallace (who brings hustle but really, little else to the table). Looking at Green's stats, his minutes and usage rate have gone up, his FG% has gone down a bit, other stats are right around his career averages. 
 
And I don't think we should have expected him to make some sort of leap this year. Danny Ainge said himself that Green wouldn't be the focal point of the offense - he doesn't have the skill set for it. He's a supporting cast type of guy, even on a bad team.
 

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CreightonGubanich said:
I don't really see Green mailing it in; I think he's the same guy he's always been. He's just not really an aggressive player. We can wish otherwise, and I can see how his style would clash with a guy like Wallace (who brings hustle but really, little else to the table). Looking at Green's stats, his minutes and usage rate have gone up, his FG% has gone down a bit, other stats are right around his career averages.
 
There is a difference between aggressive and willing to take shots.  We are epically bad on offense, and Green is one of our better offensive players.  In 08/09 he put up 13.4 shots per 36 while playing with Durant and Westbrook.  Now there isnt an offensive player on this roster that he should be deferring to, and he is only taking 14.1 shots per 36, thats pathetic.  He should be able to find a couple more shots a game, and for the sake of increasing his value for his next contract he should want to put up some hollow offensive numbers, but he wont do it.  Maybe thats not mailing it in, maybe thats just being a pathetic basketball player when you are given the opportunity to be 'the guy' and you just dont care to seize the opportunity.  Now if I were Wallace and had to witness that, I can see why he would be annoyed, its pretty stupid to say something about it but I can see the guys point.
 

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Are we sure that Brad Stevens doesn't agree with what Wallace said about his teammates' effort, or that he's unhappy with Wallace saying it? Managing egos in the NBA is tough for any coach, let alone a rookie coach who didn't play in the NBA himself. Having a veteran bench player say these things isn't as impactful as having the coach say them, but if the alternatives are either leaving those things unsaid or having a rift between your coach and some of his better players, perhaps having Wallace spout off is the least bad option.
 
Though frankly, if you read the entire Herald piece, Wallace has quite an entitled attitude himself. The Nets were paying him like the player he used to be, even though his body didn't allow him to perform at that level anymore; cashing those outsized checks and complaining about "respect" strikes me as more than a little douchey.
 

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There is a difference between aggressive and willing to take shots.  We are epically bad on offense, and Green is one of our better offensive players.  In 08/09 he put up 13.4 shots per 36 while playing with Durant and Westbrook.  Now there isnt an offensive player on this roster that he should be deferring to, and he is only taking 14.1 shots per 36, thats pathetic.
A different point guard will help.
 

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There is a difference between aggressive and willing to take shots.  We are epically bad on offense, and Green is one of our better offensive players.  In 08/09 he put up 13.4 shots per 36 while playing with Durant and Westbrook.  Now there isnt an offensive player on this roster that he should be deferring to, and he is only taking 14.1 shots per 36, thats pathetic.  He should be able to find a couple more shots a game, and for the sake of increasing his value for his next contract he should want to put up some hollow offensive numbers, but he wont do it.  Maybe thats not mailing it in, maybe thats just being a pathetic basketball player when you are given the opportunity to be 'the guy' and you just dont care to seize the opportunity.  Now if I were Wallace and had to witness that, I can see why he would be annoyed, its pretty stupid to say something about it but I can see the guys point.
 
I just don't think Green is that type of player. He has real trouble creating his own shot, as he's not a very good ball handler. He's a perfect example of a guy who performs much better with other talented players around him to draw attention from the defense, as well as a point guard who can get him the ball in the right spots. This season, he's had neither. Jordan Crawford is a guy that loves to break defenses down off the dribble and play iso ball; he's a stereotypical good-stats-on-a-bad-team guy. Green isn't.
 

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A different point guard will help.
It didn't help him last year. Green was invisible until Rondo went down and he began to assert himself more. It will be interesting to see if Green floats and gets lost again while Rondo dominates the ball as happened last year prior to the ACL.
 

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I don't really see Green mailing it in; I think he's the same guy he's always been. He's just not really an aggressive player. We can wish otherwise, and I can see how his style would clash with a guy like Wallace (who brings hustle but really, little else to the table). Looking at Green's stats, his minutes and usage rate have gone up, his FG% has gone down a bit, other stats are right around his career averages. 
 
And I don't think we should have expected him to make some sort of leap this year. Danny Ainge said himself that Green wouldn't be the focal point of the offense - he doesn't have the skill set for it. He's a supporting cast type of guy, even on a bad team.
When you repeatedly jog lightly in transition defense as 7-footers sprint past you for breakaway dunks as happened in the Clipper game this week you are flat out mailing it in. If this was a one-time occurrence it is one thing.....Green has gone through the motions in transition all year by not running the floor hard.
 

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I'd be happy to unload Green-- but where? I don't see much of a market for him right now unless Ainge is willing to take back a contract that's even worse.
 

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I just don't think Green is that type of player. He has real trouble creating his own shot, as he's not a very good ball handler. He's a perfect example of a guy who performs much better with other talented players around him to draw attention from the defense, as well as a point guard who can get him the ball in the right spots. This season, he's had neither. Jordan Crawford is a guy that loves to break defenses down off the dribble and play iso ball; he's a stereotypical good-stats-on-a-bad-team guy. Green isn't.
 
The thing is on this team he doesnt even need to take high percentage shots to justify taking more, he just needs to take slightly less efficient shots and we would still be better off with him taking more shots.  I'm not asking the guy to make those around him better or draw more attention from opposing defense, just shoot more.  I guess I just want him to have Antoines mentality and just be willing to bomb a few more 3s a game even if they arent good 3s.  He doesnt have to improve his skillset to do that, just his approach to the game.