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Since I'm actually in Korea, I get a lot of Olympic-related news here. Although most of it has been highly political.

First bit of news -- the Pyeongchang Olympic Stadium, the place where the opening ceremony will be held is a venue WITHOUT a roof (in Korean):


Lots of concerns about how cold it will be. The Korean OC has been reassuring the public (and the athletes) that it will be okay. Part of the preparations is to distribute ponchos, blankets, "hot packs" for seats, hands, and feet. I'm not so convinced.
 

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BTW, the North Korean delegates are staying at a rather posh 5-star hotel called "Seamark". Here are some photos of it:

http://leeeunsoo.tistory.com/412

Also reported: rumors of high-ranking N.Korean officials & family members bribing to be part of the delegates to visit the South.
 

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American Speed Skater Shani Davis is upset at not being chosen as torch bearer for the Opening Ceremonies. Luger Erin Hamlin tied Davis with 4 votes each, and the winner was decided by a coin flip.

People seem to be focusing on him being a "sore loser" for being upset at losing a coin flip, but I think Davis' larger point is that it should never have come down to a coin flip.
 

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Why don’t moguls/half pipe snow events competitors wear tight clothes? It would decrease drag, resulting in faster runs and more air. Their clothes are conspicuously baggy.

Is it just a carry over from the old X Games-type aesthetic?
 

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Increased drag is a good thing for jumping for judging. (for halfpipe)

Moguls, no clue.
 

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American Speed Skater Shani Davis is upset at not being chosen as torch bearer for the Opening Ceremonies. Luger Erin Hamlin tied Davis with 4 votes each, and the winner was decided by a coin flip.

People seem to be focusing on him being a "sore loser" for being upset at losing a coin flip, but I think Davis' larger point is that it should never have come down to a coin flip.
Even if you think a coin flip is dumb, it's a tough sell to call it “dishonorable” to follow the pre-established procedure.

And it's not even to be a torch bearer. It’s flag bearer for the interminable opening ceremony. The list of flag bearers I can even picture is:
1. That Tongan guy who was oiled up in Rio
2. ???
 

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Even if you think a coin flip is dumb, it's a tough sell to call it “dishonorable” to follow the pre-established procedure.

And it's not even to be a torch bearer. It’s flag bearer for the interminable opening ceremony. The list of flag bearers I can even picture is:
1. That Tongan guy who was oiled up in Rio
2. ???

Sorry for the spoiler, but I’m watching the opening ceremonies now and that Tongan guy just walked in to Pyeongchang oiled up again.

He must be freezing.
 

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WP is calling the opening ceremonies "a bit underwhelming" but I think it was the most artistic, beautiful, and high-tech one I've ever seen.

Holy fuck. The Olympic Flame gets lighted by Queen Yuna, with the torch handed to her by two North and South Korean unified ice hockey team players. Perfect.
 
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Good, in this issue he's being a punk by suggesting this is a merit based decision and also playing the race card by hinting any tie should be influenced by black history month instead of the coin flip the process specified. It isn't merit based - Simon Biles had no Olympic history (medals) when she was recently voted to carry the flag. It is a vote by his peers that was tied with another athlete with an Olympic pedigree. Perhaps he was hurt by his decision in a previous Olympics to not answer the call when his team asked him to compete in a team event. Or perhaps the eventual winner was equally popular (that tie thing). Either way - in that situation an athlete is supposed to be graceful about losing and his tantrum demonstrates that maybe he isn't the person to be representing the Olympic team.

It's a shame really - he's an extraordinary athlete and this is what people may end up knowing him for.
 
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I could understand him being disappointed but this is beyond the beyond.

Talk about taking a cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 

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I could understand him being disappointed but this is beyond the beyond.

Talk about taking a cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I think we’re going to find some media pile on here, and it’s going to be way overboard, and misguided. I could totally see a scenario where Shani was always planning on skipping the Opening Ceremonies - unless he was selected to carry the flag. It’s his FIFTH Games, and that whole walking/staging/standing thing, outdoors, is no way to prepare for your race.

Here’s a thing for the Karpernick-hater types to consider, though if we’re going to play a handful of race cards; Here’s a black man expressing disappointment that he DIDN’T get an opportunity to carry the American flag. Shani Davis would have been profoundly honored by that role.

I will also say that Shani Davis is an extraordinarily humble, respectful, thoughtful man. His qualities as a human being are far more positive than whatever media depiction may be. He is, without a doubt, one of the very good guys in sport...
 

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I think we’re going to find some media pile on here, and it’s going to be way overboard, and misguided. I could totally see a scenario where Shani was always planning on skipping the Opening Ceremonies - unless he was selected to carry the flag. It’s his FIFTH Games, and that whole walking/staging/standing thing, outdoors, is no way to prepare for your race.

Here’s a thing for the Karpernick-hater types to consider, though if we’re going to play a handful of race cards; Here’s a black man expressing disappointment that he DIDN’T get an opportunity to carry the American flag. Shani Davis would have been profoundly honored by that role.

I will also say that Shani Davis is an extraordinarily humble, respectful, thoughtful man. His qualities as a human being are far more positive than whatever media depiction may be. He is, without a doubt, one of the very good guys in sport...
Well, the reason I phrased my initial post on the subject (way upthread) the way I did was because I could already see the media focusing on the "losing a coin flip" angle, where I understood Davis' ire was more directed at not being picked by more than half of the voters; a decision that must have galled him in this period of our nation's history and in black history month, no less. He took the angle of "Why NOT me?" and then when it wasn't him, he got pissed off. Ok, whatever. That's his right.

However: as justified his outrage may or may not be, his public reaction was way overboard and, in addition to being disrespectful to the person who will be the flagbearer, runs contrary to the ethos of the Olympics. He's there to represent the nation and his team, not himself. He should have expressed his disappointment publicly, steamed silently, and let it go. "If Team USA doesn't want an accomplished black athlete to carry the flag", he should have told himself, "that's a missed opportunity for them. It bears no reflection on me."

Now that he's made a big stink and made it entirely personal, the only way he can start to repair this schism is to make it a point to walk with his teammates. That he isn't is just spiteful and childish, whatever his original intentions of walking/not walking might have been.
 
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Where is his agent? Seems like someone needs to tell him to apologize, if only for selfish reasons - endorsements.
 

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Having read the article after I posted, like any good message boarder will do...I will add the whole piece at the end about it not sounding like him is an intriguing angle. I have a suspicion of what might happen next - but I won’t post it quite yet...
 

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I think we’re going to find some media pile on here, and it’s going to be way overboard, and misguided. I could totally see a scenario where Shani was always planning on skipping the Opening Ceremonies - unless he was selected to carry the flag. It’s his FIFTH Games, and that whole walking/staging/standing thing, outdoors, is no way to prepare for your race.

Here’s a thing for the Karpernick-hater types to consider, though if we’re going to play a handful of race cards; Here’s a black man expressing disappointment that he DIDN’T get an opportunity to carry the American flag. Shani Davis would have been profoundly honored by that role.

I will also say that Shani Davis is an extraordinarily humble, respectful, thoughtful man. His qualities as a human being are far more positive than whatever media depiction may be. He is, without a doubt, one of the very good guys in sport...
First, I understand many athletes must skip the opening ceremony in order to prepare for their event. No one should begrudge him that. Had he not tweeted what he did it wouldn't be an issue for him to skip it. Once he did tweet what he did he opens himself up to people attaching one to the other whether correct or not. If he *wants* to change that perception then he needs to express his reasons, or attend the event. He may not care, but his future perception/marketability depends on it.

Why should he be given credit/points for wanting to carry the flag? Every citizen in that situation should embrace that honor. I'm guessing the person who was selected was profoundly honored as well. Does she not get credit because of her protected status as a female? Was Simone Biles profoundly honored as well? Can only men of color be profoundly honored in this situation? I saw an person of color sing the national anthem before a sports event last night. Was he profoundly honored as well? Does he need attaboy points for it? How about if we don't talk about his skin color and just say he did his country proud with his rendition?

How about if we just respect the hell out of Davis and his efforts/accomplishments/sacrifices over long period of time and group his accomplishments with those of other great American athletes and don't call out his gender or race or ethicity for special credit - regardless of what month it is? Isn't that the point?

He may well be a good man, but he screwed this up. He needs to walk it back - because an athlete of his caliber deserves the cover of the wheaties box or whatever a great Olympic athlete these days gets. It would be a shame if this tantrum affected that.
 

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Well, the reason I phrased my initial post on the subject (way upthread) the way I did was because I could already see the media focusing on the "losing a coin flip" angle, where I understood Davis' ire was more directed at not being picked by more than half of the voters; a decision that must have galled him in this period of our nation's history and in black history month, no less. He took the angle of "Why NOT me?" and then when it wasn't him, he got pissed off. Ok, whatever. That's his right.

However: as justified his outrage may or may not be, his public reaction was way overboard and, in addition to being disrespectful to the person who will be the flagbearer, runs contrary to the ethos of the Olympics. He's there to represent the nation and his team, not himself. He should have expressed his disappointment publicly, steamed silently, and let it go. "If Team USA doesn't want an accomplished black athlete to carry the flag", he should have told himself, "that's a missed opportunity for them. It bears no reflection on me."

Now that he's made a big stink and made it entirely personal, the only way he can start to repair this schism is to make it a point to walk with his teammates. That he isn't is just spiteful and childish, whatever his original intentions of walking/not walking might have been.
The winter Olympics always occurs during February or during black history month. By that logic a person of color should always be selected as flag bearer or the other deserving candidates will be galled? That seems like a recipe for conflict. It's unfortunate, two worthy candidates were highly and equally thought of by their peers and to avoid hard feelings the procedure specified a coin flip as a means to prevent this type of conflict. He found a way to bring conflict to it anyway - shame on him. It sounds like his disappointment got the better of him. I hope he can fix this - it takes the attention away from his lifetime of achievements and directs it towards a tweet written in 30 seconds. That sucks.
 

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The winter Olympics always occurs during February or during black history month. By that logic a person of color should always be selected as flag bearer or the other deserving candidates will be galled? That seems like a recipe for conflict. It's unfortunate, two worthy candidates were highly and equally thought of by their peers and to avoid hard feelings the procedure specified a coin flip as a means to prevent this type of conflict. He found a way to bring conflict to it anyway - shame on him. It sounds like his disappointment got the better of him. I hope he can fix this - it takes the attention away from his lifetime of achievements and directs it towards a tweet written in 30 seconds. That sucks.
I'm sorry, Isn't that basically what I just said?
 

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The winter Olympics always occurs during February or during black history month. By that logic a person of color should always be selected as flag bearer or the other deserving candidates will be galled? That seems like a recipe for conflict. It's unfortunate, two worthy candidates were highly and equally thought of by their peers and to avoid hard feelings the procedure specified a coin flip as a means to prevent this type of conflict. He found a way to bring conflict to it anyway - shame on him. It sounds like his disappointment got the better of him. I hope he can fix this - it takes the attention away from his lifetime of achievements and directs it towards a tweet written in 30 seconds. That sucks.
For what it’s worth, I am very much leaning towards the “Shani did NOT send this tweet” camp...
 

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Abby Chin is covering ski jumping. Hope she is being paid well, this probably means she is missing the Pierce/Cavs game with it being an ABC game and travel.
 

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The streaming Olympic Channel is pretty good, it gives a lot of quick rundowns of all the events and shows most of the endings of the races. I'm liking that for the 2nd or 3rd screen.

Gold Zone is also pretty good but also often dark.
 

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Has anyone else tried the NBC VR app? There seems to be a bug with logging in with your cable account to see the live programming. The VOD content is a mixed bag, some cool POVs but poor quality and editing, and some stuff that made me really dizzy (in a not fun way).
 

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Gold medal for 17 year old Red Gerrard from the Colorado in Snowboard Slopestyle. Huge run! Totally unique line choices really paid off. USA USA USA.
 

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Nobody has mentioned it yet, so I'll bite.

American Luger Chris Mazdzer is 0.001 away from making American history, with two runs to go in the Men's Singles Luge. His slightly more heralded teammate Tucker West has not had as good luck so far, and is in 18th place currently. No American has ever medalled in the men's singles, and Erin Hamlin was the flag bearer this year because she was the first American woman to ever medal in women's singles in 2014 in Sochi.

Final two runs are on TV early in the morning Sunday American time I think. Good luck Chris and Tucker!
 

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I say it every four years, and I'll say it again. I just don't, and will never understand how figure skating scoring works. I swear people get like 10 bonus points for being one of the "favorites" coming in. I'm pretty sure that's the part of the scoring they call "artistic."
 

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I say it every four years, and I'll say it again. I just don't, and will never understand how figure skating scoring works. I swear people get like 10 bonus points for being one of the "favorites" coming in. I'm pretty sure that's the part of the scoring they call "artistic."
It also seems like they change it at least once every four years...

But actually, you understand EXACTLY how it works.
 

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Nobody has mentioned it yet, so I'll bite.

American Luger Chris Mazdzer is 0.001 away from making American history, with two runs to go in the Men's Singles Luge. His slightly more heralded teammate Tucker West has not had as good luck so far, and is in 18th place currently. No American has ever medalled in the men's singles, and Erin Hamlin was the flag bearer this year because she was the first American woman to ever medal in women's singles in 2014 in Sochi.

Final two runs are on TV early in the morning Sunday American time I think. Good luck Chris and Tucker!
The final run is on for the top 20 right now streaming if anyone is awake to watch.

I’ll spoiler his position going into the final run.

He’s in second, about 0.21 behind. Probably too much to catch Loch, but sitting in good shape for a medal.
 

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Final runs just finished.

Silver for Mazdzer! (barely missed gold)
An absolute stunner as overwhelming favorite Felix Loch has a major error on his last run and misses the podium entirely!
 

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Holy shit! Loch blew it and fell all the way to 5th. Curve 9 is big trouble and cost him dearly. Silver for USA’s Chris Mazdzer!!!
 

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Holy shit! Loch blew it and fell all the way to 5th. Curve 9 is big trouble and cost him dearly. Silver for USA’s Chris Mazdzer!!!
Saw it on the web, but have to wait for crappy Aussie TV to show the luge. Just starting now. Go USA!

Edit: and it's approaching 1am on a workday.
 

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Final run was great fun to watch.
When it is properly shown on US TV, I hope there's some commentary about how crazy the final run was, because there were some seriously great runs, and some big screw ups as well as riders threw caution to the wind on the final run.
Italian guy had track record, Austrian guy very good, Mazdzer only 7th in the final run, the other German storming back, plus Loch blowing it - great theatre
 

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It’s so annoying to wake up on Sunday and not have nbc playing the games.
 

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It’s so annoying to wake up on Sunday and not have nbc playing the games.
DVR has been key for me. Spent a half hour Friday night setting up recording coverage for pretty much everything. Wake up in the morning with 6+ hours of coverage, but able to skip about half of it between commercials or having no interest in the sport.
 

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Why? He’s been known in the past to be a little surly, no?
Trust me on this one. Highly unlikely he sent that.

And in 2006 he got a bad rap for not choosing to do the team pursuit event - but when the facts came out, his position was reasonable and legitimate.

In 2010 and 2014 he repaired that quite a bit...shame to see this happening now and ruining all that good work and goodwill.
 

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Trust me on this one. Highly unlikely he sent that.

And in 2006 he got a bad rap for not choosing to do the team pursuit event - but when the facts came out, his position was reasonable and legitimate.

In 2010 and 2014 he repaired that quite a bit...shame to see this happening now and ruining all that good work and goodwill.
It's been 4 days since it was sent, wouldn't someone have said something by now if he didn't send it? It was one of the bigger stories going into the Olympics.