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I have a hard time understanding Luiz's red card. I think he's pretty masterful at the dark arts and wouldn't mind trying something like that in another situation, but I don't see any way that was calculated or intentional. Incidental contact is the standard for a red card and a penalty? Eh... Not the game I want to see.
 

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Alexandre Jankiewicz sent off at 1:20 for trying to maim McTominay.

lots of red today.
 

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Jankeiwicz is 19 and this was his first PL start (second appearance).
Yeah, he hadn't settled into the game. Must be some buzz making your first start v Man U. Family will be watching an all that. Bound to have butterflies and adrenaline going through you. feel for the kid to be honest. But i do think a manager has to prime the young uns on how to game manage themselves through the first 5 mins or so of the match.
 

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Have been in meetings, so I didn't see the Jankewitz red. Wow. He's lucky to have been sent off because someone else would have gotten even with him later in the match.

 

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And now Cahill with a goal off a nice set piece. I've said this before, but Eze's delivery is sooooo much better than anyone who has recently preceded him.
 

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I have a hard time understanding Luiz's red card. I think he's pretty masterful at the dark arts and wouldn't mind trying something like that in another situation, but I don't see any way that was calculated or intentional. Incidental contact is the standard for a red card and a penalty? Eh... Not the game I want to see.
Thinking about this more it just seems like a poorly written rule. The double jeopardy exception as written into the rules is spelled out specifically for situations in which the player attempts to play the ball but commits a foul. Its meant to cover non-intentional fouls, but its not written broadly enough to cover non-intentional fouls in which you don't attempt to play the ball, probably because they're very rare.

By the spirit of the law, there is no way this should be a red card. The whole point of the double jeopardy rule is that you shouldn't penalize send off a player unless they intentionally tried to impede a goal scoring opportunity. By the letter of the law, I think the referee's only two options were to say it wasn't a foul at all or to award a red+penalty.

I'm obviously biased but I think the genuine correct call would have been no foul. That kind of incidental contact very rarely gets called in the rest of the pitch. Its a physical game, players are constantly running next to each other, parts of their bodies nipping each other when they run. It can't be a foul to unintentionally touch another player's leg while you're both running. But I can see why the referee would have a hard time making the right call there, especially once he had already made the initial decision.

Mainly, however, its just a poorly written rule. Clearly the referee should have discretion to award a yellow for non-intentional fouls that don't involve playing the ball.
 
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Yeah, he hadn't settled into the game. Must be some buzz making your first start v Man U. Family will be watching an all that. Bound to have butterflies and adrenaline going through you. feel for the kid to be honest. But i do think a manager has to prime the young uns on how to game manage themselves through the first 5 mins or so of the match.
thought similar when I saw it. He was walking around dazed, like he wasn’t sure what he’d done. But that’s a no doubter - McT is lucky to be walking.
 

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Ralph lost 9-0 to Leicester last season. That’s not out of the realm of possibility here.

the pack is so tightly bunched, GD might be crucial. Good chance to pad the number
 

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Ralph lost 9-0 to Leicester last season. That’s not out of the realm of possibility here.

the pack is so tightly bunched, GD might be crucial. Good chance to pad the number
 

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Ralph lost 9-0 to Leicester last season. That’s not out of the realm of possibility here.

the pack is so tightly bunched, GD might be crucial. Good chance to pad the number
I wish I could do this with anything that mattered
 

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Hasenhuttl's got to be the first manager to lose 9-0 twice.

And he's got to be the first manager to keep his job after losing 9-0... once or twice
 

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Burnley have now gone their last 135 minutes with exactly one attempt at goal, a header at the death against Chelsea off a corner that was nowhere close to on-target.

The beautiful game, Dyche style.
 

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Rumors on the twitters that it’s illness not injury. Please please please.
 

PedroSpecialK

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Again, credit to Brighton - Liverpool had something with the 4-1-2-1-2 at West Ham, and decided to go away from it against yet another team of giants at the back, and have been completely limp

70' without a shot on target for Liverpool, going on 270 minutes without a goal at home
 
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It just feels like there is no adjustments made by Liverpool. They just try the same thing over and over - even when it hasn't worked for weeks.
 

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Yep, that's what drives me crazy - against West Ham, Klopp reverted to the diamond in midfield with two strikers and was able to get runners in behind the Hammers.

Now against a team that's, again, sitting back with a deep line and 3 giants at CB (and one at LWB!) the solution is... 4-3-3 with aimless crosses.

Jesus wept, Origi

Another few matches like this and my eyes are gonna start looking like Trossard's.
 
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How is this squad so bereft of ideas? And unwilling to run at defenders?