Game Week 8 - the Prem’s back!

[Mighty Joe Young]

The interminable international break has finally and mercifully ended. The early game is Spurs vs West Ham . Does this London derby have a catchy name?

West Ham started well after some brilliant play by Bowen taking the early lead. Spurs responded with Kulusevski finishing off a break.

Ange with a big call subbing off an ineffective Maddison at the half and Spurs run riot - currently 4-1 at 78’ - could be 6 or 7

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

And it looks like Kudos is about to be sent off

edit: and was - unclear if a second yellow or straight red. Kudos involved with VDV - hand to his face - for which he gets an initial yellow. In the fracas that follows Kudos punches another Spur's player - VAR intervenes and Kudos gets a red.

edit #2 - had to have been a straight red as VAR can’t initiate a yellow.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

And it looks like Kudos is about to be sent off

edit: and was - unclear if a second yellow or straight red. Kudos involved with VDV - hand to his face - for which he gets an initial yellow. In the fracas that follows Kudos punches another Spur's player - VAR intervenes and Kudos gets a red.

edit #2 - had to have been a straight red as VAR can’t initiate a yellow.

He deserved 3 straight reds on that play. It’s crazy it took that long.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

He deserved 3 straight reds on that play. It’s crazy it took that long.

Well - I thought the ref got the first yellow (the VDV hand to face) right - maybe an orange. He bumped into Richarlison ( who predictably flopped) but there was nothing to that. Didn’t see a third (apart from the obvious)

 

[Warning Track Speed]

Brighton spent the first 35 minutes pinned in their own end, got a goal from Welbeck on their first touch in the Newcastle box

 

[scott bankheadcase]

Well - I thought the ref got the first yellow (the VDV hand to face) right - maybe an orange. He bumped into Richarlison ( who predictably flopped) but there was nothing to that. Didn’t see a third (apart from the obvious)

The initial double kick to VDVs back that started it all, it was actually the most dangerous of all of it.

I also disagree with the second. VDV pushes and he goes straight to the face, by the book that’s a red. Nevermind the Sarr unprovoked hit.

 

[fletcherpost]

Last throws of the first half and Brentford score from a corner. Man U fans not happy cos de Ligt was told to leave the field of play because his head is bloody as all hell. Then they concede.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Ha! Brentford with the lead at the half with a late corner resulting in a goal. United are peeved because De Ligt was off the pitch with a head wound.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Last throws of the first half and Brentford score from a corner. Man U fans not happy cos de Ligt was told to leave the field of play because his head is bloody as all hell. Then they concede.

Beat me to it ! United should be peeved with their own medical staff for not closing that cut properly.

 

[fletcherpost]

Garnacho with a lovely volley to even it up. The cross from Rashford was on the money too.

 

[fletcherpost]

United take the lead. Højlund dinks it over the keeper. Brentford caught trying to play it out froom the back. Brentford have offered nothing this half. Utd looking like the home team for once

 

[scott bankheadcase]

The initial double kick to VDVs back that started it all, it was actually the most dangerous of all of it.

I also disagree with the second. VDV pushes and he goes straight to the face, by the book that’s a red. Nevermind the Sarr unprovoked hit.

View: https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1847628840559919204?s=46

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Hmmmm - VAR taking a long look - maybe a red

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Bye bye - Saliba off with a DOGSO

bonus - he’ll miss the Liverpool game

 

[scott bankheadcase]

Now that’s not a red to me. It’s weird what the PL seems red vs not.

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

Call could probably go either way; I think ultimately hard to call it an “obvious” goal scoring opportunity given how far ahead the ball was from the play and the ability for other defenders to make a play, but a risky play to make and a red isn’t outrageous there.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Call could probably go either way; I think ultimately hard to call it an “obvious” goal scoring opportunity given how far ahead the ball was from the play and the ability for other defenders to make a play, but a risky play to make and a red isn’t outrageous there.

Probably how I’d view it … White was closest but wasn’t getting there - borderline call - hometown decision.

 

[lars10]

Probably how I’d view it … White was closest but wasn’t getting there - borderline call - hometown decision.

Given that they were at mid field I think Saliba or white could have caught him.. but who knows… also think the forward was looking to go down with any contact.. he also made sure to lean in so there was even more contact after the initial pull.

That’s three reds for Arsenal at this point?

 

[lars10]

Semenyo just grabbed the ball away.. dribbled it and continued dribbling it away to delay arsenals kick.. after fouling two players.. no card

edit: Rice was carded for touching the ball once..

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Call could probably go either way; I think ultimately hard to call it an “obvious” goal scoring opportunity given how far ahead the ball was from the play and the ability for other defenders to make a play, but a risky play to make and a red isn’t outrageous there.

For me it tilts toward red in a vacuum but also I've seen that not given many times so not really clear why its a clear and obvious error meriting VAR intervention.

The standard for so many other VAR decisions when its this kind of 60/40 or 70/30 kind of call is never go against the onfield referee. Maybe they think this is more cut and dried because White was slightly behind the ball but of course there is no real guidance or standard so they're really just making it up on the spot.

 

[fletcherpost]

That was a really well worked corner kick by Bourmemouth. Great finish by Christie. Kluivert's touch for the assist was sublime.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

And the well deserved penalty should put this out of reach.

 

[ifmanis5]

Arsenlol is back.

 

[Pesky Pole]

Raya with the takedown and the resulting PK should end this one. Not sure why Raya escapes a yellow card there.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Semenyo just grabbed the ball away.. dribbled it and continued dribbling it away to delay arsenals kick.. after fouling two players.. no card

edit: Rice was carded for touching the ball once..

Semenyo received a yellow for that

 

[lars10]

Semenyo received a yellow for that

Oh.. I had to turn my phone off to get on a plane and didn’t see a booking ..

 

[lars10]

Arsenlol is back.

I mean the only time they’ve really dropped points have been a man down and they won four of their last five.. but sure.

 

[RG33]

The interminable international break has finally and mercifully ended. The early game is Spurs vs West Ham . Does this London derby have a catchy name?

West Ham started well after some brilliant play by Bowen taking the early lead. Spurs responded with Kulusevski finishing off a break.

Ange with a big call subbing off an ineffective Maddison at the half and Spurs run riot - currently 4-1 at 78’ - could be 6 or 7

I attended the Spurs/West Ham match today. My first EPL match. I’m not a huge futbol fan, but was in town for the Patriots game and wanted to experience it.

It was legitimately a top 5 sporting event of all time, and I’ve been to 10 superbowls, NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals, and World Series games. The energy / passion and the caliber of play (we have AC FC tickets for with my daughters and it’s really the first exposure I’ve had to “professional soccer” was insane.

Such an incredible experience.

EDITL: Also…..”West Ham Gets BATTERED….Everywhere They GO! Everywhere THEY GO! EVERYWHERE THEY GO!”

(The songs/changs both pre/during/post were incredible. I know you all know this, but man, America is missing the boat on this)

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I attended the Spurs/West Ham match today. My EPL match. I’m not a huge futbol fan, but was in town for the Patriots game and wanted to experience it.

It was legitimately a top 5 sporting event of all time, and I’ve been to 10 superbowls, NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals, and World Series games. The energy / passion and the caliber of play (we have AC FC tickets for with my daughters and it’s really the first exposure I’ve had to “professional soccer” was insane.

Such an incredible experience.

EDITL: Also…..”West Ham Gets BATTERED….Everywhere They GO! Everywhere THEY GO! EVERYWHERE THEY GO!”

(The songs/changs both pre/during/post were incredible. I know you all know this, but man, America is missing the boat on this)

Couldn’t agree more - I attended my first Premier League game at Anfield (Liverpool) last month - I’ll remember it forever

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

Wolves strike first against City on a lethal counter.

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

1-1 after a rocket from just outside the box from Gvardiol.

 

[pedro1918]

That’s a goal.

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

It looked like City would grab the win at the death with a 95th minute John Stones header off a corner, but the referee waived it off based on interference with the keeper on the play. VAR intervenes and the goal is added back. Probably the right use of VAR there, tough ending for Wolves though.

 

[Pesky Pole]

The corner being given was the more dicey decision. The Wolves defender was clearly elbowed in the back of the head.

But the goal was definitely a goal.

 

[Catcher Block]

That's the layer that's ignored by VAR, like an offside or foul that isn't flagged but leads to a corner, and then the corner leads to a goal.

It shouldn't have happened and they have the technology to prevent it and fix it quickly.

 

[lars10]

That's the layer that's ignored by VAR, like an offside or foul that isn't flagged but leads to a corner, and then the corner leads to a goal.

It shouldn't have happened and they have the technology to prevent it and fix it quickly.

A VAR decision going city’s way.. shocking.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

A VAR decision going city’s way.. shocking.

I didn't see anything on the replay that would indicate it shouldn't be a goal.

 

[Pesky Pole]

I get Robbie’s point that Kavanaugh never saw the full replay back to where Silva made contact with Sa coming for the ball. That’s on VAR to have only shown the header. Whether it changes the call is debatable at best but they need to show the whole replay.

 

[lars10]

I didn't see anything on the replay that would indicate it shouldn't be a goal.

No you’re probably right.. just everything seems to go city’s way..

 

[wonderland]

I get Robbie’s point that Kavanaugh never saw the full replay back to where Silva made contact with Sa coming for the ball. That’s on VAR to have only shown the header. Whether it changes the call is debatable at best but they need to show the whole replay.

I wanna see less replay not more. I don’t want plays like that reviewed. There’d be no flow.

What I’d like to see is the ref didn’t get a good view of something then they could buzz VAR. That would be pretty limited though.

 

[67YAZ]

Handball all day.

Wonderful stuff from Curtis.

 

[67YAZ]

Same play that Saliba got red for.

 

[Pesky Pole]

So I know you can’t get a red and a penalty. But does that also apply to yellows and penalties?

 

[67YAZ]

I’ll take it. The midfield needs to get sorted fast, tho.

Worried about Jota’s ribs. Having broken 2 a couple years back, it can be so painful to play.

 

[Pesky Pole]

I wanna see less replay not more. I don’t want plays like that reviewed. There’d be no flow.

What I’d like to see is the ref didn’t get a good view of something then they could buzz VAR. That would be pretty limited though.

Sure but when you do review, shouldn’t you watch the whole play instead of 5 seconds of it? Especially on a set play like a corner. If you’re going to change a decision, watch the whole play. It may not change the call but the only dicey part of that whole play is the contact between Silva and Sa. Still not an offside for me but Kavanaugh never saw it.

 

[pedro1918]

Sure but when you do review, shouldn’t you watch the whole play instead of 5 seconds of it? Especially on a set play like a corner. If you’re going to change a decision, watch the whole play. It may not change the call but the only dicey part of that whole play is the contact between Silva and Sa. Still not a penalty for me but Kavanaugh never saw it.

But the actual corner had nothing to do with being offside. It is impossible to be offside on a corner. By rule, attacking players are behind the ball.

So Silva was not in an offside position until Stones’ head touched the ball. And by the time Stones’ head touched the ball, Silva had separated from Sa completely. What happened before the header is not relevant to the call.

Unless you are claiming Silva some how ran over Sa. Which I don’t think anyone is claiming.

 

[pedro1918]

Looks on.

 

[Pesky Pole]

Curtis makes good on the earlier chance.

 

[pedro1918]

Jones!

 

[67YAZ]

Hold on boys!