Game 1 vs. Philadelphia—Just Win
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Why are we fighting to assign blame they all sucked in different ways at different times. Tatum sucked the least, but they all own this shit sandwich.
Wow. That is incredibly damning….
I think this means that Game 2 will be an absolute beat down
That they still don’t have any way to consistently get Tatum isolated down low on a subpar defender without him driving in from the perimeter is a massive indictment on the coaching staff.
As much as I’m harping on Tatum this is true and really their shit defense is reason 1-10 why they lost today
....where he went to the hoop and got the foul, putting the Celtics up by 1 with 26 seconds left.
In the last two seasons (reg/post) with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter or in overtime and trailing by 1-5 points, Jayson Tatum has made just 1 of 24 3PT shots.
That’s 4.2%, the worst in the NBA among qualifiers.
Next worst is 12%.
Average is 30.7%.
That’s being pretty charitable to Tatum. I think Tatum was just looking for an outlet, any outlet. He didn’t want the shot. Didn’t want the pressure. Brogdon was in his line of sight. Think it was as simple as that.
in my opinton yes i did not watch the game but useing 2k i have played philly very well and shut them down the only teams that scare me is u and GS
I'll put it this way:
Brown had the best shot opportunity of the possession, turned it down, then kind of got off balance and lost his dribble, which left Tatum with the second best opportunity of the possession to get a decent 3 off or to drive past 90 year old PJ Tucker, but instead the ball was given to Brogdon with very little chance of succeeding and he managed to do the worst thing possible.
Biggest takeaway is one of your two stars needs to step up and take ownership of that possession, whether it's taking a shot or putting someone in good position to make one. Brogdon could conceivably have made a great play there, but Brown and Tatum both passed up better opportunities to put Brogdon in a pretty bad situation (which of course he made worse).
Meanwhile, people are shitting on a rising superstar who is still only 25 years old and has already been to an NBA Finals and is still improving as a player. Sure, there are bumps along the way but he’s going to be a great player for a long time in this league. I just hope some of you can enjoy the ride.
Yes, that take is obviously the even-keeled one. So...you're explanation for the very next possession is...?
https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar-post-20230225-tatum-adds-to-historic-clutch-resume-with-game-winner-in-philly
No no, please continue
Edit - literal best part is his 3 pt winner with a few seconds left against fucking phl earlier this year is the highlight vid portion.
He made a bad play , im sure jordan never made a mistake ever
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It’s not even just with Tatum…the team consistently fails to get the other teams weak link into the action.
James harden should be forced to guard the ball every fucking play. He’s a dog defensively and doesn’t want to put forth the effort required.
We watched the Sixers do it to Al over and over and over again…can we not do the same thing?
Some folks had a hard time understanding how badly this team has underperformed their massive talent all year. I was told there was nothing to worry about.
Although it may have been one area they did show some consistency.
I'm annoyed .
You don't think a guy like Smart or Tatum or Brown can get up on Harden without fouling him and force a much more contested shot, or force him to pass?
The problem has already reared its head by the time this photo is taken. It shouldn't be Horford there. Harden knows he's gonna get a shot off over him, because he knows Horford can't close that space without having Harden going by him in a millisecond.
Fuck it, go zone there if need be. Run a 3/2, PJ fucking Tucker isn't a threat down low, something needs to change, because we've now seen this happening for over a year now. It's too predictable and too easy for a defense.
Or at least get TL in there, because if Al is just missing a block by a few inches, TL is blocking it with his elbow.
They can’t. They decided a long time ago. I don’t know why. It is very different from how other young stars are treated on the board. I don’t even read most game threads because I want to enjoy watching the kid play and not read the silly criticisms ad nauseam.
Give me a break. Tatum shied away from that particular moment. We all saw it. It’s ok to call a spade a spade sometimes. Doesn’t make him a coward or choked or whatever. But on that specific play, he wanted nothing to do with the responsibility of shooting that ball. It was clear as day.
i been growing out my beard and i dont know how he does it it itchs all the time makes u look older
JB was untouchable here until he dabbled in antisemitism and now it’s open season when he has a bad game
I guess, but everyone shot well tonight. I’m baffled about the back and forth about various offensive possessions. This game was clearly lost on the defensive end. And turnovers. That’s where JB shines.
JB has never, ever been untouchable here. Dude could score 30 in the first 3 quarters, make 1 turnover early in the 4th, and it'll become the story for the next 5 minutes in a game thread.
Going back like 4-5 years now.
This is the moment Tatum passed to Brogdon. 2.0 seconds left on the shot clock.
Yes there are three guys around Tatum but he needed to absolutely pull up for a jumper there. He had plenty of space to shoot over Tucker. Harden wasn't getting there. And he had Maxey behind him. That's as good a look as you're gonna get in that spot and he passed it up. This was a rise and fire kind of situation. Instead he threw a grenade to Brogdon. Yes Brogdon made a terrible turnover, but Tatum put him in a bad spot. Now if Brogdon was Tobias Harris, he'd have just taken the jumper right there.
Tatum had the shot available. 100% he did. Durant would have shot that. Curry would have shot that. LeBron would have shot that. Pierce would have shot that. Jordan would have shot that. Ja would have shot that. Kawhi would have shot that. Harden would have shot that. Mitchell would have shot that. Heck, Jordan Hawkins of UConn would have shot that. Tatum didn't.
Doesn't mean he's not a superstar. Dude had 39 points and 11 rebounds. But he turned down the shot in the biggest spot in the game and he shouldn't have.
Yes there are three guys around Tatum but he needed to absolutely pull up for a jumper there. He had plenty of space to shoot over Tucker. Harden wasn't getting there. And he had Maxey behind him. That's as good a look as you're gonna get in that spot and he passed it up. This was a rise and fire kind of situation. Instead he threw a grenade to Brogdon. Yes Brogdon made a terrible turnover, but Tatum put him in a bad spot. Now if Brogdon was Tobias Harris, he'd have just taken the jumper right there.
Tatum had the shot available. 100% he did. Durant would have shot that. Curry would have shot that. LeBron would have shot that. Pierce would have shot that. Jordan would have shot that. Ja would have shot that. Kawhi would have shot that. Harden would have shot that. Mitchell would have shot that. Heck, Jordan Hawkins of UConn would have shot that. Tatum didn't.
Doesn't mean he's not a superstar. Dude had 39 points and 11 rebounds. But he turned down the shot in the biggest spot in the game and he shouldn't have.
I am still trying to understand what evidence people have that Will Hardy is a better coach than Mazzulla. Hardy may well be but I need to understand what people are looking at that gives any suggestion that he is superior. Except maybe that Danny took him and given some of Ainge's roster decisions, its not clear that he has infallible judgement either.
He used to be my favorite Celtic and now I can’t stand him. His “dabbling” ruined the season for me, to be honest.
I’ve been here a while and this is not true. At all. Last year, well before the antisemitism, he was the boards favorite target. Him and Smart. The same way it is now.
Tatum is, and has been, the one that is the closest to immune from criticism. He definitely still gets some shit but way less than others
100% and that’s all I’m saying. He shied away in that moment, for whatever reason. And we can’t have that. I’m still stunned he didn’t shoot that ball.
And if there's anything we all know is that Tatum and Giannis get the same exact whistle.
Very different situation. Chicago was up 3 games to 2. Score was tied (Chi wasn't behind). Kerr was a great shooter and was wide open. And Jordan was double teamed and swarmed by Stockton and Malone. And there was still five seconds on the clock so Kerr didn't have to make a panic play.
And I'm not saying there's NEVER a situation where the superstar should pass. This wasn't one of them though. Tatum should have shot it. There's no argument otherwise.
They missed the call. It was a tenth of a second, but they got it wrong. Let's see if the NBA bothers to show this on the 2 minute report.
Screenshots from 2 angles, red light on, ball is still in the air.
Looking at that screenshot my guess is that je anticipated Harden taking a harder close towards him and that would have left Brogdon a wide open 3. I think he underestimated how lazy Harden is and how much he plays passing lanes
Come on guys, Jordan was doubled and tried to shoot but was forced to pass it mid shot to a wide open man at the top of the key because there were two arms in his face. Tatum had a clear look and passed it to a guy who was covered behind the 3 point line.
Well maybe. I don't know what he was thinking. But Harden certainly could have done nothing to disrupt Tatum's jumper in that spot.
you're climbing uphill to defend Tatum dude...
It's screaming in your face - but you're covering your ears.
We get it --- the first 46 minutes are the same as the final 2 for you.