I think Tatum went to the basket looking for a pass.. Brogdon threw it back out.
Game 1 vs. Philadelphia—Just Win
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To be fair to Malcom, that was an absolute dime. There was no way anyone was catching Tyrese once he hit him in stride!
This is what I can’t quite understand….if the organization knows Udoka is under investigation, why do they let Hardy leave? Or maybe just hold onto him for a bit longer until you know what happens?
If he’s the coach I think we win tonight’s game
I know your overall points, but using the last Harden three against Horford isn't the prime example. No one would have done a better job against Harden on that shot without fouling.
Im not sure Mazzulla knows how to spell D. I think that's taught in his sophomore year.
If you think they’re playing with the same defensive intensity as they were late season and in the playoffs under Ime, you and I are seeing very different things
here we go with the spreadsheets - telling us who is clutch and who isn't.
Didn't we already go thru this nonsense in another sport - which is the basis for any us being here?
Get your head out of the numbers and watch the game for Pete's sake.
I think you are talking about a different possession. We were talking about the Brogdon pass to Maxey possession.
Yeah I don’t get the take that Tatum doesn’t want the ball late, Jaylen is the one who seems to disappear then. But again, I have no idea if the stats bear that out. But they certainly don’t for Tatum.
Yeah he would just give Harden a bunch of four point plays.
I wish they had one more wing.
They gave Brogdon the ball with 1.5 seconds left behind the 3 point line lmao. What are you even trying to argue? Brogdon wouldn't even have gotten a shot off in time had he taken a shot there off the dribble. They left him with no real option outside of an off balance heave. His turnover was obviously worse than a shot clock violation, but Brogdon was put into position to fail by his two stars there.
That was such a meltdown. Total mental breakdown at the worst possible time.
City of chokers last 24 hours.
City of chokers last 24 hours.
I'm actually not sure how it wasn't a shot clock violation: at 0.0 Maxey still hasn't caught the ball.
IMO, after Tatum took his first dribble, he had room to just rise up and shoot right over PJ Tucker. Is what it is. He passed it off, but game isn't lost there, IMO. Shit, the C's took the lead after that.
Yeah.. why go with actual stats and numbers when you can just make up your own narrative?
you're making the point for us!!!
Tatum should be pulling up or attacking the hoop against PJ fuckin' Tucker!!!
To put this game away...
Instead he's passing that up for a Malcolm Brogdon 30 footer.
It's a cowardly possession / decision there by Tatum.
Exactly. And on a play where he gets the ball with three seconds left with three guys keying on him. My criticism there is that he didn’t see Smart open to his left. He passed to the wrong guy.
Unless they, you know, forced him to pass it instead of shoot it, something Al is 100% not capable of doing.
Yeah, we’re all arguing like that was a walk off. Tatum took it to the rack and got the lead so wtf?
Not his fault at all but he had time to do a runner before the pass. Just like with Tatum, your brain is wired shoot, not pass. Both of them passed. They both choked under the pressure of the situation. Just inexplicable decisions.
The clock was going to 0.0 as he was catching the ball. The Celtics pissed away the game no doubt, but thought that should have been a violation in real time instead of directly handing the 76ers 2 points...
If he could get the pass off to Maxey, he could get the shot off. You are right that Tatum threw him a grenade but Tatum was being swarmed - his shot there was heavily contested. But Brogdon could have gotten a slightly less crappy shot off.
The 76ers played great D on that sequence. Dragging Tatum for not forcing a bad shot may or may not be right but his choices were slim at that point.
Again, Brogdon's play didn't lose the game - the entire team lost the game - but it was just weird.
Correct. There's a reason why no one took a shot. A few of them attempted to drive but quickly got nowhere. Someone earlier in this thread said there were 5 open looks in that possession. I didn't comment at the time, but that statement is way off. Great D by the 6ers there.
honestly, I don’t care. Cs should not get bailed out for a play that bad.
Right, and from this information let us draw the conclusion that Tatum is scared to take late game shots!
Honestly, criticize the play, criticize the poor decisions at the end and the defense that just wasn't tight all night long - but acting like you know that a player is "scared" to take a final shot is just so incredibly stupid I can't even engage in debate with it. And it's totally laughable to put James Harden up as a player who is somehow a fearless killer in the playoffs. Like lol tell me you don't watch any games other than the Celtics without telling me you don't.
If it's all just a misery and you're like, waiting for them to choke or make a mistake so you can be like "see!!!!!" then that is just a depressing way to watch sports. That's all.
Unless they change the defensive scheme I don’t know how they beat at least 3 of the 4 teams they could face in the finals. They are playing defense as if they expect every team to run their offensive possessions the way the Celtics themselves do when they have a late lead, which is to say dribbling nowhere and throwing the ball to no one.
Who is responsible for deciding the best 3pt defense is the switch man backing down below the 3pt line? And how soon can we dropkick him off the highest point in New England?
Who is responsible for deciding the best 3pt defense is the switch man backing down below the 3pt line? And how soon can we dropkick him off the highest point in New England?
Maybe this is semantics or I am misunderstanding you.
Your point, as I read it, was that the Jays (specifically Brown) fucked over Brogdon because they gave him a grenade. To me, that means they passed him the ball with literally no time left and, to me, that’s absolving Brogdon and blaming others for his fucking moronic play.
He had enough time to catch, take three dribbles and pass. If he catches, takes two dribbles and takes the shot, that’s a decent shot at the end of a bad possession. Instead he goes Grayson Allen and takes an extra dribble into the defense and throws the ball away.
If Tatum takes the shot and misses the same people would be saying the same stuff about Tatum. If he misses they stay quiet hoping he misses.
Checked again: the two shot clocks in the broadcast are 0.1 apart from each other: that's what I was looking at. Not sure which one is synched with the actual clock.
You’re a clown for ignoring the data and the truth it stands for. Tatum wasn’t the issue whatsoever tonight. The blame lays elsewhere, mostly on a terrible approach to defending the harden p&r all night. But hey, why pay attention to data when we can roast the guy who went for 39 and 11 with 1 turnover on great efficiency and got us the lead in the clutch before the harden 3. Go off King
Perhaps CJM can address with Embiid out shouldn't the defense been set to make sure Harden doesn't go off.
Maybe borrow a page from BB and take away the 1 guy who can kill you.
Pure second guess
Maybe borrow a page from BB and take away the 1 guy who can kill you.
Pure second guess
They can’t slow down the offense and run clock and expect to get good shots with Tatum having the ball in his hands. That is and has been the problem for a long time in those situations. It’s not that he can’t make shots, he can especially if someone creates it for him. But when they try to burn clock and get the offense started with fewer than 10 seconds it’s too easy for teams to double Tatum and muck it all up so they don’t get consistent high quality offense.
They can’t pull up on a fast break up 4 with 2 minutes left. They can’t walk the dog and let the other team setup. They can’t put 4 men in the corner and isolate a matchup and know they’ll get a good shot. They have to run their normal offense and keep the movement high to let their depth shine. It’s not really having a go at Tatum to say he doesn’t have this one particular skill.
They can’t pull up on a fast break up 4 with 2 minutes left. They can’t walk the dog and let the other team setup. They can’t put 4 men in the corner and isolate a matchup and know they’ll get a good shot. They have to run their normal offense and keep the movement high to let their depth shine. It’s not really having a go at Tatum to say he doesn’t have this one particular skill.
Is there anywhere that tracks how often a team doesn’t even get a shot off in late quarter/half/game situations? We are so good at that.
It was a mega-isolation Harden had there. Who 1 on 1 would make Harden pass the ball without fouling? That's what I'm struggling with. The only thing making Harden pass the ball with that much real estate around him was if a double was sent after him.
I just meant after the dribbles he took, if he rises up and shoots, it's probably a shot clock violation.
First off, I'm dragging Brown AND Tatum. Brown is the one who had the best opportunity and he hesitated on the shot. Tatum then had to be the one to take that possession once it was passed back out to him. Regardless, those are your two stars, one of them needs to do something.
As for Brogdon had time to take a shot because he passed it, well he does have to jump. He released the pass with about .3 seconds left from the floor, so is he jumping and releasing in that amount of time? It's going to be extremely close. Either way, I think we must agree it's a shitty spot to put a guy in, pass it to someone who's guarded behind the 3 point line with 1.5 seconds left.
Stop with the "two stars" shit. Watch the replay above, Tatum has the ball in his hands with 3 seconds left on the clock, and at that point, Brown is standing in the corner with his hands on his hips. Tatum got that ball with plenty of time to do something, and in your rush to shit on Jaylen, you've forgotten that he passed it to Smart, with almost 7 seconds left, Smart then passed it to Tatum with about 5 seconds left, who then passed it to Brogdon.
The video above shows you with about 3 seconds left, Brown is already standing in the corner minding his own business.
I think Tatum thought Brogdon had more space than he did, and would go right up with the 3.
So now your argument is that we should ignore his entire career and focus on a single quarter of a single game? Btw, as others have pointed out, he's so unclutch that in a 1 point game with 30 seconds left he gave them the lead