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Best Buy will match pretty much any online retailer now in store. They are trying not to be the Amazon Showroom and actually sell shit.
 

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Here is the best web price I can find. 
 
http://www.abesofmaine.com/shoppingCart.do?addAccryList=&item=SSPN64F8500++++
 
I am going to head to BestBuy and check it out if they have one. Just to look, its a $3K pricetage at BestBuy and frankly I can wait out the delivery time. So I'll hope to see one tonight. Reviews make it sound unbelievable. 
 
If you manage to get Abe's to actually deliver you a set for that price... I believe you'll be the first person in the hemisphere to accomplish that feat.
 

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Couperin47 said:
 
If you manage to get Abe's to actually deliver you a set for that price... I believe you'll be the first person in the hemisphere to accomplish that feat.
 
Yeah, I haven't heard great things about Abe's.  I'm also sensitive about only purchasing from "authorized" retailers.  I'm willing to pay a few $ more.  Getting Best Buy to match seems ideal (if possible). 
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
Best Buy will match pretty much any online retailer now in store. They are trying not to be the Amazon Showroom and actually sell shit.
I've heard there's a few retailers on the list that they won't including East Coast TV and Abe's of Maine, mainly because they're not authorized retailers, which is the reason they're willing to go below Samsung's price floor. That said, if they were to do $1800 or $1850 for the PN60F8500 rather than the $2400 list (about $150-200) above the cheapest online retailer's 'list price', I'd pull the trigger to avoid the hassle.
 

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Dernells Casket n Flagon said:
I've heard there's a few retailers on the list that they won't including East Coast TV and Abe's of Maine, mainly because they're not authorized retailers, which is the reason they're willing to go below Samsung's price floor. That said, if they were to do $1800 or $1850 for the PN60F8500 rather than the $2400 list (about $150-200) above the cheapest online retailer's 'list price', I'd pull the trigger to avoid the hassle.
 
I totally agree with this.
 

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Sure. But there is no way BB is going to just come down $600 in the next week because I or someone else asks them to.
 

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Crutchfield is offering the 8500 series at 60 inches right now for 2400 with a free sound bar and subwoofer, plus their unlimited tech support. If you want to upgrade the sound bar and subwoofer they'll still take 250 off. Also, not a benefit to me because I live in Virginia but if you live outside VA no sales tax. They get very good reviews and ship pretty quickly.
 

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I'm deep in decision mode. I'd like to stay closer to $2k than $3K. I don't know much about these online companies or the matching prices, so the 64" 8500 is looking like its out of reach. Probably not heading to BestBuy tonight, so I hope to knock this out by the weekend. Any advice is welcome. Looking for 60"-65" in the neighborhood of $2K. I want it to be a top notch sport watching TV. Movies, etc, are secondary.
 

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PaulinMyrBch said:
I'm deep in decision mode. I'd like to stay closer to $2k than $3K. I don't know much about these online companies or the matching prices, so the 64" 8500 is looking like its out of reach. Probably not heading to BestBuy tonight, so I hope to knock this out by the weekend. Any advice is welcome. Looking for 60"-65" in the neighborhood of $2K. I want it to be a top notch sport watching TV. Movies, etc, are secondary.
Why not go Samsung Plasma 60 inch 8500 series for $2400 or 5300 series 64 inch for $1300? Either will be better than 90% of tvs at watching movies and sports.
 

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Just looked at the 5300 review. That sounds like the one. We have an xbox1 so smart isn't needed, and I don't care about 3D. The picture quality gets a good review, that's the main thing I needed. Buzzing sounds up close? I'm going to be 12' away.
 

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PaulinMyrBch said:
Just looked at the 5300 review. That sounds like the one. We have an xbox1 so smart isn't needed, and I don't care about 3D. The picture quality gets a good review, that's the main thing I needed. Buzzing sounds up close? I'm going to be 12' away.
 
Having looked at both side-by-side, the 8500 is brighter and yet maintains the blacks so it does much better in light whereas the 5300 needs dim lighting or darker to be most effective. I put my ear up to both and noticed no buzzing. My current 42inch plasma buzzes barely and is only noticeable within a foot's distance. 
 
If you have the correct lighting, I'd go with 5300 and save the 1000 bucks.
 

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The room is dark. Not much natural light in at all. That's what I read as well...That it didn't handle a bright room very well but is good in darker settings.
 

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Decided to save some money and got the 5300 today. Thought it looks great I'm having some trouble adjusting the setting to get the colors right. First, everything had an orange tone and faces especially looked reddish-orange or purplish. Now, it's better but the colors are a little grayish/greenish. Anyway, I was hoping someone with the 5300 could share their settings or provide a link of settings they've used.
 

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You sure you don't have a screwed up panel? How far off are they?

Are you sure your cables are good?
 

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You sure you don't have a screwed up panel? How far off are they?

Are you sure your cables are good?
 
Can't be the cables - they're the same ones I used with my previous tv and they worked great. The panel could have a problem I guess but I am encouraged that when I change the settings the picture and colors change with them. My wife agreed that the original setting gave all white people a reddish hue. She now thinks it's fine but I think everyone looks a little greenish/yellow. I'm sure I'm just a small adjustment or two from better.
 

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http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1476482-samsung-pn60f5300-calibration-settings.html
 
btw exactly which set did you get? I'm seeing reference to a PN64H5300 shipping, not an "F"..and the above settings are for the 60, need to search AVS for the 64" H model ??
 
On modern sets the interactions between settings (many of which are unintuitive) make trying to 'improve' things simply via eye very unlikely to succeed.
 
FIRST RULE, which I suspect you may already have violated: WRITE DOWN ALL SETTINGS FROM THE FACTORY BEFORE YOU START MESSING WITH ANYTHING !!.
 
Because: Sets have individual variations but are calibrated at the factory to a 'standard' In theory, all sets out-of-the-box are therefore quite similar, but the underlying settings of each to obtain this differ. Improvement to a more natural look, involves resetting based on this calibration, so the improvement settings involve changing these settings relative to your particular set's initial calibration. That is 3 clicks + from your initial setting or -5 clicks on some other setting. Most brands/sets do NOT have a "reset everything to how it shipped" button. Once you start messing with these settings, you can't restore them unless you wrote them all down before you started.
 
Rule 2: AVS Forums always have settings from pro calibrators which most often will work well with 90% of the shipping TVs. The above thread is 22 pages long..read it from beining to end before you go back to messing with the TV.
 

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Couperin47 said:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1476482-samsung-pn60f5300-calibration-settings.html
 
btw exactly which set did you get? I'm seeing reference to a PN64H5300 shipping, not an "F"..and the above settings are for the 60, need to search AVS for the 64" H model ??
 
On modern sets the interactions between settings (many of which are unintuitive) make trying to 'improve' things simply via eye very unlikely to succeed.
 
FIRST RULE, which I suspect you may already have violated: WRITE DOWN ALL SETTINGS FROM THE FACTORY BEFORE YOU START MESSING WITH ANYTHING !!.
 
Because: Sets have individual variations but are calibrated at the factory to a 'standard' In theory, all sets out-of-the-box are therefore quite similar, but the underlying settings of each to obtain this differ. Improvement to a more natural look, involves resetting based on this calibration, so the improvement settings involve changing these settings relative to your particular set's initial calibration. That is 3 clicks + from your initial setting or -5 clicks on some other setting. Most brands/sets do NOT have a "reset everything to how it shipped" button. Once you start messing with these settings, you can't restore them unless you wrote them all down before you started.
 
Rule 2: AVS Forums always have settings from pro calibrators which most often will work well with 90% of the shipping TVs. The above thread is 22 pages long..read it from beining to end before you go back to messing with the TV.
 
You are wise. I, in fact, did locate this thread prior to calibrating my set but did not read beyond the fifth post and primarily used the settings in the second post, so I will read the 22 pages before proceeding.
 
Also, I didn't write down the factory settings but, at least, I have a pretty good idea of what they were should I need to return to them. At this point, it's probably best for me to take some time away from the picture - it could be that I'm simply too nit-picky right now especially after focusing on this for the better part of the last seven hours. 
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 

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You are wise. I, in fact, did locate this thread prior to calibrating my set but did not read beyond the fifth post and primarily used the settings in the second post, so I will read the 22 pages before proceeding.
 
Also, I didn't write down the factory settings but, at least, I have a pretty good idea of what they were should I need to return to them. At this point, it's probably best for me to take some time away from the picture - it could be that I'm simply too nit-picky right now especially after focusing on this for the better part of the last seven hours. 
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
For others, the threads at AVS Forum imply the last Samsung version of the 64" 5300 series.. the PN64H5300 (nor the F) actually are using a variation of the more advanced 8300 series panel... which means an inherently better set...though they may have significant implications for tuning it for better results. So it pays to figure out exactly what's still out there being sold...
 

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Couperin47 said:
 
For others, the threads at AVS Forum imply the last Samsung version of the 64" 5300 series.. the PN64H5300 (nor the F) actually are using a variation of the more advanced 8300 series panel... which means an inherently better set...though they may have significant implications for tuning it for better results. So it pays to figure out exactly what's still out there being sold...
 
Ok. I forgot to mention that I opted for the 51inch. After they dropped the price to 549 is was too good of a deal for me to pass up as it was the exact same price I paid for my 42inch, 720p plasma five years ago.
 

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Most new plasmas don't need to be broken in as rigurously as early generations, but I've still found that the colors and saturation on a plasma continue to change when first unboxed.  I wouldn't worry too much about the settings Ribo until you're about 100 hours in.
 

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Most new plasmas don't need to be broken in as rigurously as early generations, but I've still found that the colors and saturation on a plasma continue to change when first unboxed.  I wouldn't worry too much about the settings Ribo until you're about 100 hours in.
 
Absolutely true if you're going to actually calibrate, if you're just using derived settings to improve a set, it doesn't matter when you do the fiddling... you'll wind up at the same place after break in.
 

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Reset it to the factory settings and only increased the cell from 12 to 20. Looks much better but white people are still orangey. I'll wait out the first 100 hours and go from there.