Free Agency Frenzy Thread

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yeah Knicks are done now, maybe some small moves but they filled all their cap space.
While they got better, it’s a “45-37” kind of roster to me absent a huge leap from someone. That’s directionally good for them but if I were a Knicks fan I’d be wondering what the path to contention really is with these signings
 

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So we are set up for Beal in 11 months.
Kind of. To fit him under the cap you have to renounce pretty much the whole team other than Brown and Tatum, including cutting Horford (while paying him 17 million) and waiving rights to Smart, Romeo, Time Lord and Nesmith. It'll take at least another year after that to build a team around the new Big 3. And at that point, Brown's contract is on its final year. It is super risky.
 

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Kind of. To fit him under the cap you have to renounce pretty much the whole team other than Brown and Tatum, including cutting Horford (while paying him 17 million) and waiving rights to Smart, Romeo, Time Lord and Nesmith. It'll take at least another year after that to build a team around the new Big 3. And at that point, Brown's contract is on its final year. It is super risky.
The better path is moving Horford into someone's space & being able to retain a couple of those guys.
 

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The best path is working out a trade in season when Washington accepts he’s going to move on.
Second is doing what the Bulls did with Lonzo and using the guy wanting to come to you as a lever to get his team to trade him to you so you can keep some of your guys.
 

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While they got better, it’s a “45-37” kind of roster to me absent a huge leap from someone. That’s directionally good for them but if I were a Knicks fan I’d be wondering what the path to contention really is with these signings
Thibs can't coach a more talented team than that anyway, so it's a good fit.

(formerly long-time frustrated Knicks fan who no longer cares much)
 

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Is Coby White about to be on the block?
CHI signed Lonzo and Caruso to big deals, kept Lavine and drafted a PG (admittedly at 38, but still).
 

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Kind of. To fit him under the cap you have to renounce pretty much the whole team other than Brown and Tatum, including cutting Horford (while paying him 17 million) and waiving rights to Smart, Romeo, Time Lord and Nesmith. It'll take at least another year after that to build a team around the new Big 3. And at that point, Brown's contract is on its final year. It is super risky.
Even the Wizards wouldn't get to that point, he isn't walking away for nothing
 

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Thibs can't coach a more talented team than that anyway, so it's a good fit.

(formerly long-time frustrated Knicks fan who no longer cares much)
It's going to be super interesting to see how Thibs reacts to Fournier playing defense. I mean NG tries (at least it looks like it) but doesn't have great results to say the least.
 

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Is Coby White about to be on the block?
CHI signed Lonzo and Caruso to big deals, kept Lavine and drafted a PG (admittedly at 38, but still).
As far as I know he was already on the block.

I think he's out for a few more months after shoulder surgery, though.
 

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Olympic legend Javale McGee to Suns on 1/$5m (Haynes).

Haynes also reports Cory Joseph, Pistons, 2/$10m.
 

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They are going to play chicken, so this could run a while unless Collins signs an offer sheet along the way.
Collins is maybe becoming a victim of the Hawks success. With teams expecting Atlanta to match any offer they didn’t want to be tying up their cap space today/tomorrow and miss the boat entirely. Collins could get left in no mans land for this reason.
 

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Collins is maybe becoming a victim of the Hawks success. With teams expecting Atlanta to match any offer they didn’t want to be tying up their cap space today/tomorrow and miss the boat entirely. Collins could get left in no mans land for this reason.
I think the Spurs still have $$$? he'd be perfect there
 

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Was confused about Theis to Houston until I saw this:
View: https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1422359038524678144
Per sources, the Rockets will use the Oladipo trade exception and work a sign-and-trade with the Bulls to get Daniel Theis.
Houston still has a $8.28M trade exception from the Victor Oladipo trade. Might be smart to take Theis in a s/t and preserve the $9.5M ML. This would give Chicago a big trade exception.
 

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The Heat are going to be really good. They overpaid for Butler (length of contract especially) but they look good for 2022-23.
 

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Not seeing it with the heat. 4/5 guys in their starting lineup are iffy shooting outside the paint. That looks like mid 90s team to me.

Never been high on butler. Outside of an asterik af bubble run, he's never led shit to anywhere
 

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It's a bit jarring to see them giving up a 1st round pick, but Graham is pretty good, and 30 mil cheaper than Evan Fournier. If it's lottery protected, I'm good with it.
I mean, they turned the ability to sign Lonzo at market into losing a 1st to sign a mediocre PG and get some trash clogging up their cap. That's just malpractice. It's very telling that they got nothing of value for Lonzo, but thought it was worth losing a 1st to get Graham.

No team has more efficiently burned young Hall of Fame talents' careers like New Orleans.
 

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So the Heat crunch time 5 is Lowry, Butler, Bam, Herro and Robinson?

Very interesting offensively but it’s hard to hide 2 defensive liabilities like Herro and Duncan.
 

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I mean, they turned the ability to sign Lonzo at market into losing a 1st to sign a mediocre PG and get some trash clogging up their cap. That's just malpractice. It's very telling that they got nothing of value for Lonzo, but thought it was worth losing a 1st to get Graham.

No team has more efficiently burned young Hall of Fame talents' careers like New Orleans.
That's my take as well. So bad that Zion might be looking for the door soon.
 

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I mean, they turned the ability to sign Lonzo at market into losing a 1st to sign a mediocre PG and get some trash clogging up their cap. That's just malpractice. It's very telling that they got nothing of value for Lonzo, but thought it was worth losing a 1st to get Graham.

No team has more efficiently burned young Hall of Fame talents' careers like New Orleans.
both moves are head-scratchers

the Lonz took a nice leap with his outside shot the last 2 seasons on increased volume.
 

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Any time you can trade for bad players, overpay them, pay other teams to take on their contracts so you have room to trade for the right to overpay other players you kind of have to do it.
 

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I'm pretty sure the Simmons tweet is just him being a clown (he tagged the Canadian Auto Association, and the name is not a real CAA agent).
 

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Weird misspelled Fletch reference?

ETA: my Google pony is slow
 

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Any time you can trade for bad players, overpay them, pay other teams to take on their contracts so you have room to trade for the right to overpay other players you kind of have to do it.
Contracts so far for ESPN FA Ranked 6-15:

6 Graham 4/47
7 DRobinson 5/90
8 Conley 3/72.5
10 Fournier 4/78
13 Allen 5/100
14 Trent 3/54
15 Powell 5/90

Say what you will about the other moves, but Graham is a massive bargain by FA standards. And if the pick is lottery protected, it's not all that valuable. Think if all the times the Cs tried to move up with non-lottery picks.