I don't think Sale is on the 60 day list yetThey don’t have any available position players to replace him on the 40-man.
I don't think Sale is on the 60 day list yetThey don’t have any available position players to replace him on the 40-man.
Possible solution although doesn’t Taylor have to come off soon?I don't think Sale is on the 60 day list yet
I hope he does, but maybe there is some flotsam that can be jettisoned when that happens?Possible solution although doesn’t Taylor have to come off soon?
Sale for Taylor makes the most sense.I hope he does, but maybe there is some flotsam that can be jettisoned when that happens?
I’m totally fine with that if they have a replacement ready. DFA ≠ optioning him to AAA.Why can't he go back to The Woo to, as you say, straighten out his head? Unless they have to make room on the 40 man for someone else, there's no point in that, is there?
You could make a case for demoting Franchy, Duran, and Dalbec and cutting Bradley. But you need replacements. Casas is one; but he’s not on the 40-man. Stewart is playing well in Worcester, but adding a 28 year old to the roster seems like a tough sell, probably wouldn’t last long. They’ve got to clear some guys out.I’m totally fine with that if they have a replacement ready. DFA ≠ optioning him to AAA.
Hopefully Chaim will make some trades to ensure at least a few of these moves happen.You could make a case for demoting Franchy, Duran, and Dalbec and cutting Bradley. But you need replacements. Casas is one; but he’s not on the 40-man. Stewart is playing well in Worcester, but adding a 28 year old to the roster seems like a tough sell, probably wouldn’t last long. They’ve got to clear some guys out.
Seems like some of the Groome, Downs, Seabold/Winckowski, Hernandez/Wong group could be cleared out in some deals, too.
Career 227 PA, 11bb/70k. 30.8% K%.Duran needs to stay up and take his licks. I get instant gratification, but in general rookies take awhile to develop. The dude has 227 at bats at the major league level. He needs to get at least 300 more before we pass judgement upon him. This is especially true since we have a couple openings in the outfield next year and having one of those openings being filled by a young cost controlled player is not a bad thing.
Technically, as highlighted by another poster in another thread (sorry I can’t locate for attribution!) this would make them jetsam.I hope he does, but maybe there is some flotsam that can be jettisoned when that happens?
They've already won a World Series with these cost-controlled superstars (two with Bogaerts), and very nearly got to another one last season. I think it's a stretch to say they've wasted their "last years". Winning a World Series is hard.The problem with sending Duran or Cordero down is that there is nobody to replace them. Those guys off the roster means more at bats for JBJ and Dalbec. What are those likely to get us?
Unless Bloom makes a trade, we're basically stick with some combo of four unplayable players. How hard can it be to find a first baseman who isn't a black hole? I don't know - it must be harder than I thought because otherwise Bloom would have done it by now.
It's a shame that the Bosox are going to waste what increasingly look like Bogaerts' and Devers' last years with the franchise as a fringe contender in part because Bloom couldn't figure out how to find acceptable solutions for these four roster spots. What's the point of having cost controlled superstars if you're going to surround them with sub-replacement level teammates?
Uh-huh, and have they yet passed the point where they can't possibly remedy that and still make the post-season?Or course winning a WS is hard. But giving 252, 216, and 261 plate appearances to 1b/of with ops+ of 74, 85, and 51 feels like an unforced error and a situation that can be fixed.
Like I wrote, a situation “that can be fixed”.Uh-huh, and have they yet passed the point where they can't possibly remedy that and still make the post-season?
I mean, kinda. Are you going to trade the type of prospects needed to fix the right field and first base hole on a team that's falling fast? Aside from the ones that I just mentioned, there's a lot of holes on this team to fill (bullpen, maybe centerfield and another starter as well). Sure getting to the Postseason is half the battle, but realistically, the Sox don't have what it takes to keep up with the Yankees or the Astros (or for that matter the Jays or the Rays).Uh-huh, and have they yet passed the point where they can't possibly remedy that and still make the post-season?
I think taking a chance on these kinds of players is one of the strategies of the Bloom era. It comes with the territory that they don’t always work out, but it’s much smarter than only acquiring players at their peak value.Or course winning a WS is hard. But giving 252, 216, and 261 plate appearances to 1b/of with ops+ of 74, 85, and 51 feels like an unforced error and a situation that can be fixed.
Oh, that's okay then. We won in 2018, under a different GM, so we should just be satisfied with what we have enjoyed recently and not care about the performance and make up of this season's team.They've already won a World Series with these cost-controlled superstars (two with Bogaerts), and very nearly got to another one last season. I think it's a stretch to say they've wasted their "last years". Winning a World Series is hard.
Disagree somewhat. Much depends on the next week. And exactly what kind of trades you're talking about making.I mean, kinda. Are you going to trade the type of prospects needed to fix the right field and first base hole on a team that's falling fast? Aside from the ones that I just mentioned, there's a lot of holes on this team to fill (bullpen, maybe centerfield and another starter as well). Sure getting to the Postseason is half the battle, but realistically, the Sox don't have what it takes to keep up with the Yankees or the Astros (or for that matter the Jays or the Rays).
Bloom screwed up the building of this team before March. He may as well just lick his wounds, figure out what he did wrong and try again next offseason. This season is effectively done. Maybe we'll get a top five pick next year and draft another high school shortstop.
Honestly, at this point I'd trade anything that the Sox aren't going to return next year/brings back the most value. Eovaldi, Martinez, as much as I hate to say it, Bogaerts, any bullpen piece that someone wants.Disagree somewhat. Much depends on the next week. And exactly what kind of trades you're talking about making.
I suppose if we're committed to a tear down we could trade not-quite-worth-protecting players for PTBNL type prospects/flyers in the lower leagues?Honestly, at this point I'd trade anything that the Sox aren't going to return next year/brings back the most value. Eovaldi, Martinez, as much as I hate to say it, Bogaerts, any bullpen piece that someone wants.
I think that if you get Josh Bell, how much difference is he really going to make? You need more than him. And I'm not sure if it's worth trading the number of minor leaguers to lose in the first round.
The only thing that gives me a little hesitancy not to tear it all down is the 40-man crunch that the Sox will face at the Rule 5 draft in the winter. Do you cash in those chips for help at the MLB level or risk losing them for nothing? There was a lot of talk last year around this time that the Rule 5 draft was going to find Boston losing a bunch of serviceable players. They were lucky that it was cancelled last year, they won't be so lucky this year. So what do you do with those guys?
Ridiculous, they're 2 games out of the playoffs. 2 weeks ago they were a big favorite to make the playoffs, then they had to play against 2 very good teams with the WooSox rotation. The season is no more done than it was last year then they went on the midseason slump and a bunch of people wanted everyone fired.Bloom screwed up the building of this team before March. He may as well just lick his wounds, figure out what he did wrong and try again next offseason. This season is effectively done. Maybe we'll get a top five pick next year and draft another high school shortstop.
I fully expected this response.Ridiculous, they're 2 games out of the playoffs. 2 weeks ago they were a big favorite to make the playoffs, then they had to play against 2 very good teams with the WooSox rotation. The season is no more done than it was last year then they went on the midseason slump and a bunch of people wanted everyone fired.
Maybe because it's based in logic and not over the top negativity?I fully expected this response.
This is unbridled optimism.Maybe because it's based in logic and not over the top negativity?
If they're running out a rotation of Eovaldi, Pivetta, Wacha, Winckowski, Crawford with Hill and Paxton coming back at some point there's no logical reason why the season is over.
They essentially had one starter in last year's playoffs and nearly made the world series, there's really no such thing as cannon fodder in the MLB playoffs.This is unbridled optimism.
Pivetta is, best case, going through a "tired arm" period; Medium case.. he's turned back into a third/fourth starter.
Wacha is on the IL.
Hill is on the wrong side of 40 and those guys don't tend to come back from an injury better than they were.
Paxton: Total unknown when or if he will contribute this year, if ever.
With all this, they might make the playoffs, but let's not pretend that they they're going to be anything but cannon fodder. These guys remind me of the
'88 and '90 versions of the Sox. Good enough to make the playoffs, bad enough to get swept in the first round.
Aside from your head-in-the-sand, everything-is-1000%-perfect, you’re-a-meanie-to-Chaim-Bloom, what logic are you using?Maybe because it's based in logic and not over the top negativity?
If they're running out a rotation of Eovaldi, Pivetta, Wacha, Winckowski, Crawford with Hill and Paxton coming back at some point there's no logical reason why the season is over.
We can start with that it's pretty hard to be over .500 and firmly in the playoff race with "one good month".Aside from your head-in-the-sand, everything-is-1000%-perfect, you’re-a-meanie-to-Chaim-Bloom, what logic are you using?
They’ve had one good month playing the dregs of the league. They’re 0-10-1 in series against the AL East.
I think one of the oft-forgotten aspects of the Dodgers' success has been striking gold with unheralded pickups like Max Muncy and Chris Taylor, neither of whom particularly looked like they were going to turn into what they did. There's a lot of dice rolling that goes into making a team. Yeah, 1B has been a mess but if plan A was hope that Dalbec's end of regular season 2021 could be the beginning (not totally unreasonable) and plan B was Casas, its hard to put too many resources into plan C (although obviously others disagree). It's been a frustrating season overall, but personally I think I'm more disappointed in the results, not the process. Maybe I just feel like Chaim is suffering from low GM BABIP.I think taking a chance on these kinds of players is one of the strategies of the Bloom era. It comes with the territory that they don’t always work out, but it’s much smarter than only acquiring players at their peak value.
Some of these guys have so-far been direct hits (Schreiber, Refsnyder, Renfroe, Strahm, Wacha, Whitlock). Some have had good underlying metrics that gave good reason to play them, but have not put it together (Cordero, Dalbec, Arroyo, Valdez, Richards as a reclamation project). Others showed nothing and were quickly cut loose (Peraza, Andriese). Some like Kiké have been both, putting up one terrific season and another one lost to injury. Others it was clear he had the right idea, and arguably could have held on longer (Pérez, Springs). No GM is going to bat 1.000 in this area. Just look at the Yankees, striking gold with Matt Carpenter while looking to offload the suddenly bewilderingly bad Joey Gallo.
You seem to be arguing in two different directions. Here, you’re upset that Bloom didn’t acquire obvious solutions to the 1B and RF positions before the problems surfaced. But in the Soto conversations, you seem adamantly against these kinds of acquisitions, saying it’s impossible to build a team through free agency.
They are firmly in the playoff race despite only one good month because that month was 20-6, which is 125 win pace over a full season.The Sox are firmly in the playoff race despite only one good month because of the expanded playoffs. The Orioles are in the race. The Guardians are, as are the ChiSox. 10 of the 15 teams in the AL are within 3.5 games of a playoff berth. I don’t know if it’s necessarily a huge accomplishment.
Against crappy teams they will not face should they reach the playoffs. The 0-10-1 stat against AL East teams stat is pretty telling.They are firmly in the playoff race despite only one good month because that month was 20-6, which is 125 win pace over a full season.
Sure, and the other 67 games they’ve played at a 68 win pace. And in the 36 games against the AL East, they’ve played at a 51 win pace. Can slice and dice it lots of different ways, at the end of the day the largest sample and only meaningful one we have shows that they have a 48-45 record and are on the fringes of the race. Winning at an 84 win pace seems about right and matches the run differential.They are firmly in the playoff race despite only one good month because that month was 20-6, which is 125 win pace over a full season.
Actually it is easy to have one good month and be over .500, the Sox are literally doing that right now. They have completely and totally shit the bed against the AL East.If they make the playoffs, the chances are very good that they’re going to play one of those teams.We can start with that it's pretty hard to be over .500 and firmly in the playoff race with "one good month".
Also, not sure who exactly was counting on Sale to be the ace and not the guy who just finished 4th in the Cy Young voting and has been incredibly good in the playoffs, and over the last 3 years, but ok. Somehow you didn't even mention him in your breakdown of their pitching staff, or Wacha who has pitched great pretty much all year.
The bullpen with Whitlock added in, plus starters coming back to give them some more innings looks much better than it did not that long ago.
Story is on pace for a perfectly solid year and Dalbec has hit fine for 2+ months.
Also, not sure when exactly the Sox were supposed to "show urgency" to extend Vazquez, who was fucking horrible last year, or JD Martinez, who is going to be a 35 year old DH who seems to be declining right before our eyes over the last few months. Also not sure how that's relevant to this season.
But really, it's pretty clear that you're being typically hyperbolic. No one said they're likely to win a world series, but it's hilarious that anyone who paid attention to the team last year and saw this exact same thing happen, and then saw the same team nearly make the World Series, can declare that the season is once again over.
I, too, am curious about the “Dalbec has been fine” line. He has a .553 OPS against RHP. A decent .787 against LHP, which is not terrible but exceedingly mediocre for a 1B. He had a terrible April and then has basically been a consistent .700 OPS guy since. Would love to know how that is “fine” production for a 1B.Actually it is easy to have one good month and be over .500, the Sox are literally doing that right now. They have completely and totally shit the bed against the AL East.If they make the playoffs, the chances are very good that they’re going to play one of those teams.
How do you feel about their chances against one of those teams?
JFC, Dalbec hasn’t been “fine” for any stretch of this season. If you’re not going to live in reality, I’m not sure why we’re having this discussion. I’m sorry but you don’t understand baseball at all if you think Bobby Dalbec has been anything but awful this season. It’s okay to say it.
And Story should be more than “solid”, no? He’s Bloom’s bug fish and he’s just solid? Kike Herndez is a solid player. Verdugo is a solid player. Story is an overpay for a solid player.
And I agree with you, Story has been fine. But the Red Sox need him to better than fine or solid.
And what does last year have to do with this year?
Hmm.And Story should be more than “solid”, no? He’s Bloom’s bug fish
"a good month" is an interesting way to describe a 20-6 month, but you have interesting standards I supposeActually it is easy to have one good month and be over .500, the Sox are literally doing that right now. They have completely and totally shit the bed against the AL East.If they make the playoffs, the chances are very good that they’re going to play one of those teams.
How do you feel about their chances against one of those teams?
JFC, Dalbec hasn’t been “fine” for any stretch of this season. If you’re not going to live in reality, I’m not sure why we’re having this discussion. I’m sorry but you don’t understand baseball at all if you think Bobby Dalbec has been anything but awful this season. It’s okay to say it.
And Story should be more than “solid”, no? He’s Bloom’s bug fish and he’s just solid? Kike Herndez is a solid player. Verdugo is a solid player. Story is an overpay for a solid player.
And I agree with you, Story has been fine. But the Red Sox need him to better than fine or solid.
And what does last year have to do with this year?
I'm not trying to be snarky ... but what stats are you using to make this claim?Dalbec has been an above average hitter for 2 months.
Dalbec is a righty platoon 1B who is completely useless against major league RHP. The above average hitter has occurred as the team has only started him against lefty starters, but hes a complete failure as an everyday 1B as he can only play the weak side of the platoon."a good month" is an interesting way to describe a 20-6 month, but you have interesting standards I suppose
Dalbec has been an above average hitter for 2 months. Is that great? No. Would you hope for better? Of course. But a Dalbec that hits league average isn't really a huge problem.
Story is on pace for a roughly 4 WAR season, assuming he comes back on time after the all star break. He's been worth 15.3m for 81 games played, so no, not an overpay at 23-24m a year. If you consider Verdugo and Kike solid then story is way above solid.
103 wrc+ since May 15thI'm not trying to be snarky ... but what stats are you using to make this claim?
Possibly but it depends on what type of prospect will be needed to fix the problems and if it's a rental or not. Bleis, Bello, Casas, Yorke, Mayer, Rafaela? Not for rentals. Definitely not looking to empty the farm for anyone but I'd listen to deals that contain 1 or 2 of them. Murphy, Winckowski or Groome? Sure, even for rentals. Paulino or Lugo? Maybe for rentals.Are you going to trade the type of prospects needed to fix the right field and first base hole on a team that's falling fast? Aside from the ones that I just mentioned, there's a lot of holes on this team to fill (bullpen, maybe centerfield and another starter as well). Sure getting to the Postseason is half the battle, but realistically, the Sox don't have what it takes to keep up with the Yankees or the Astros (or for that matter the Jays or the Rays).
I'm not sure what stat they used but from 5/20 to now he's slashing .236/.310/.417. League average is .242/.312/..395. So by OPS, he's above average... barely. His OPS+ has been creeping up slooooowly for awhile now too.I'm not trying to be snarky ... but what stats are you using to make this claim?
Numbers require context. Which means history. Which means a tale of 3 seasons:The Red Sox have the following records against AL East teams:
Baltimore: 3-5
New York: 4-6
Tampa: 2-8
Toronto: 3-6
They have the following records against current division leaders and Wild Card competition not in the AL East:
AL Central:
Minnesota: 2-2
AL West:
Houston: 2-1
Wild Card:
Seattle: 6-1
Cleveland: 3-0
Chicago: 2-4
The team's slashline in close and late situations: .212/.277/.352 (OPS .629), with 11 HR (T-6th in AL), 36 RBI (6th in AL), 32 BB (12th in AL), 102 K (6th in AL)
Getting back to Franchy, and 1B, the regular season avg. is .209 and the OPS is .604 for the position, both good for 15th in the AL, which is dead last. The 7 HR (13th) and 29 RBI (T-13th) don't make up for much. The Detroit Tigers are slightly better, at .211/.605 (6/23), with the next worst (13th in the AL) at .221/.618 (6/29). That would be Oakland. They also are dead last in avg and OPS output from right field, at .191 and .557, with 5 HR (14th) and 35 RBI (T-11th).
Draw your own conclusions from that data, but it tells me this is a middle of the pack team that may have already played its best stretch of baseball, especially since two of 9 positions are pretty much the worst in the league in terms of production. That's not even taking into account the leaky bullpen and the plug-and-pray starting rotation.
Others may disagree, but I don't think there's a lot of room for optimism in most of those numbers.
Story had 2.1 bWAR through 81 games. This includes a terrible month, a terrific month and a bunch of otherwise better than average play.Actually it is easy to have one good month and be over .500, the Sox are literally doing that right now. They have completely and totally shit the bed against the AL East.If they make the playoffs, the chances are very good that they’re going to play one of those teams.
How do you feel about their chances against one of those teams?
JFC, Dalbec hasn’t been “fine” for any stretch of this season. If you’re not going to live in reality, I’m not sure why we’re having this discussion. I’m sorry but you don’t understand baseball at all if you think Bobby Dalbec has been anything but awful this season. It’s okay to say it.
And Story should be more than “solid”, no? He’s Bloom’s bug fish and he’s just solid? Kike Herndez is a solid player. Verdugo is a solid player. Story is an overpay for a solid player.
And I agree with you, Story has been fine. But the Red Sox need him to better than fine or solid.
And what does last year have to do with this year?
Story has been a weird SLG-heavy kind of league average with the bat — he's also posted a BABIP .060 below his career number — and great on defense. I would expect a good second half with the bat as he gets to see more of the AL pitching staffs again and maybe gets a bit of positive regression on balls in play. He definitely needs to get the strikeouts under control, but a .200+ ISO is pretty promising.Story had 2.1 bWAR through 81 games. This includes a terrible month, a terrific month and a bunch of otherwise better than average play.
Even better,I think we can realistically discount his early troubles (new team, new baby, not in Denver) as an adjustment period when predicting how he'll do going forward.
Story was a very good big money value signing. A lot of places predicted he would get paid several million more per year, and his salary demands only came down when was the last one without a seat when the music stopped.
Say what you will about Bloome, the jury is still out, but the Story signing is exactly the kind you want your team to make.