Formula 1 2024: Ferrari's Return to Glory. Possibly. Ok, Unlikely.

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Rain creating havoc in qualifying. Both Red Bulls out in Q2.
Two days in a row that the race director has made questionable decisions that hurt Max.

Took way too long for the VSC yesterday allowing Lando to switch places and now waiting 40 seconds to red flag qualifying ensuring Lando finishes his lap Max doesn't.

They are doing a really good job of appearing to put their thumb on the scale to help Lando

Edit: Lol then Fernando goes into the wall and the red flag comes out almost immediately. F1 is becoming WWE.
 
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Why do they race this circuit in the wet?

Negligence, if you ask me.

Poor Albon!
 

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I hate the red flag rules. You shouldn’t be able to touch the car during a red flag stoppage.
 

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Also ruined Monaco, hopefully a change they make.
Hey, congrats to your guy. Verstappen was ruthless.

A very bad day to be a Williams fan.

A great day for Alpine.

Lawson hates Perez the way the Celtics hate Grant Williams.

I think that track layout is adverse to running in the wet. A lot of money crashed into the barriers at no real fault of the drivers. It's a course on the side of a hill.
 

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Let me tell you the secret to Monaco. First, you do your darnest to do the fastest lap time in Q3. Then, on your second run, you crash your car so your opponents have no chance of catching you. An honest mistake you say, No one believes you, but life moves on.

Then you cruise to victory even if you have your engine lose a third of its power like it happened to Ricciardo in 2018, because no one can overtake anyone in Monaco.

But yeah, other than that, historic circuit and I would kill to be able to attend once.
 

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The single biggest problem with Monaco is that F1 cars are getting longer. (Gaining more than 3 feet in the past two decades.) Every inch of length makes it more difficult to pass on a normal course; an extra 3 feet means that passing is simply impossible in Monaco.

It’s a shame, because the track and its history deserves better. But it’s simply not suited to the modern F1 car.
 

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The biggest changes to the car in the last 20 years have been the addition of a bigger gas tank and the creation of different “pods” on the car frame, making them almost modular.

The infamous Grosjean crash in 2020 was a great illustration of how this works for the driver, as the car split in half, largely absorbing the impact and allowing Grosjean to literally walk out of that horrific scene. (Of course, the fuel is also supposed to be in its own pod that cannot rupture, so that crash wasn’t a total success.)

Anyway, the point being that the engineering of these cars has undergone some radical changes to make them safer. The fact that they’ve “only” gained three feet is almost miraculous. But I don’t know how you reduce the physical size of the cars without also backing away from some of these safety features.

A special spec for Monaco would be awesome, but goes against every initiative they’ve been pushing to keep costs under control.

The sad reality is that we’re probably getting one very bad race in Monaco each year.
 

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Interesting race that may have told us lots, or told us nothing as it was so cold.

Driver's championship is over but constructors is still up for grabs.

The question is, was McLaren's form all because of the wing that the FIA made them change (new wing in Brazil and Vegas) or will the cars perform better in more normal conditions?

I think the title is there for Ferrari's taking, even if Charles is very mad at Carlos right now.
“Yeah I did my job. But being nice f**ks me all the fucking time. All the f**king time.
“It’s not even being nice, it’s just being respectful, I know I need to shut up but at one point is always the same so…
Also, how many millions of dollars has Mercedes spent, to suddenly have the best car and as Russel put it after FP1.
Yeah, incredible day. I'd love to tell you why, to be honest, we are scratching our heads a little bit, why it was so, so positive
 

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I think the track was cold and the Merc for one reason or another didn't have as much of a problem finding grip. City tracks aren't good for McLarens. I expect them to do better in Quatar.
 

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Perez got overtaken on a pit start at the pit exit...I did not think it could get any worse, and yet.

Edit: Tomorrow will be boring if the sprint is a preview of the race. Hopefully, there will be pitstop drama or something. Also, George needs more patience and maybe a better line in turn 1.
 
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Lol at the 1 grid penalty that Max got for driving to slow on a slow lap....

It's not the normal 3 because "it's complicated", and yet it is a penalty even though it did not impede Georges flying lap. As some podcast said, now all you need to do to get your opponents a penalty is speed up on your slow lap and say the other car was going too slow. The FIA sucks.

I'm sure if the roles were reversed the same outcome would be the same.
 

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Having now watched the incident in question, there's no question in my mind that Verstappen clearly intended to (and did) impede Russell as he was accelerating into his flying lap. The only question is whether it is a violation, since neither driver was actually on their timed lap.

If it is, then he should get the three spot penalty. If it's not, then no penalty. (For the record, I think the announcer is right, and "he can get away with it" because it wasn't a timed lap.) Regardless, the tendency of the FIA to simply make things up on the fly as it suits them is what makes F1 seem like pro wrestling these days.

In short, we agree that the FIA sucks.
 

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Lando doesn't lift during a yellow, I am sure he will get a penalty.

edit: lol FIA refuses to put out a virtual safety car or something to pick up a lost mirror, now Hamilton and Saniz have issues after Botaz runs over the mirror. God they suck.
 

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Well now I think Landos penalty is harsh (having to serve it in the mail next 2 laps?), FIA wanted the constructors close at the final race.
 

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Stewards not flying a yellow for debris on the track, for the broken mirror, was dumb and reckless. That's an easy yellow in NASCAR.

Perez can't be back at Red Bull, can he?
 

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Lol, FIA give a penalty they probably would have paid Max to cause if they could have.

The announcers clutching pearls because Max is trying to win the race is funny.

"He did not need to do that, was there a gap yes, but it was a high-risk move and he already won his championship" Got to love the British announcers being mad at racing.
 

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Lol, FIA give a penalty they probably would have paid Max to cause if they could have.
It was a fair penalty.
Max is/was unnecessarily aggressive. This race doesn't matter to him, but it will hurt his final position.
He's the Dale Earnhardt, Sr of F1. Sometimes his aggressiveness bites him in the butt; sometimes it means he wins the race.

Edit: I say that as a fan of both drivers.
Also, oh, Perez. How you dropped off a cliff.
 

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It was a fair penalty.
Max is/was unnecessarily aggressive. This race doesn't matter to him, but it will hurt his final position.
He's the Dale Earnhardt, Sr of F1. Sometimes his aggressiveness bites him in the butt; sometimes it means he wins the race.

Edit: I say that as a fan of both drivers.
Also, oh, Perez. How you dropped off a cliff.
I'm not complaining at the 10-second penalty, just that Max single-handedly improved ratings by a few million viewers at turn 1. Norris, Piastri 1-2 would have made for a very boring race.

And I love the British announcers complaining that he did not decide to go for a Sunday drive.