Formula 1 - 2021 - Chasing down Lewis?

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
I'm so happy for DTS. I used to watch and no one had any clue about F1 similar to my youth and the EPL. Now I can actually conversate with a few fans.

Poor Giovinazzi starts to get good and sounds like he's out for Zhou and the money bags that come with him.

Nice to see Danny Badger hitting his stride 3rd wasn't far away.
 

Phragle

wild card bitches
SoSH Member
Jan 1, 2009
13,105
Carmine's closet
Anyone else wonder how Neflix will come things when they happen live? Based on what we've seen so far in the F1 season Guenther Steiner is on the verge of becoming a worldwide mega star.
 

Nick Kaufman

protector of human kind from spoilers
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Aug 2, 2003
12,379
A Lost Time
I'm so happy for DTS. I used to watch and no one had any clue about F1 similar to my youth and the EPL. Now I can actually conversate with a few fans.

Poor Giovinazzi starts to get good and sounds like he's out for Zhou and the money bags that come with him.

Nice to see Danny Badger hitting his stride 3rd wasn't far away.
To be fair, Monza doesn't have many corners and cornering is his problem with the McLaren.
 

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
Softs got bailed out by that safety car then a drs procession don't love the sprints. Bottas seems so free now.
 

mikeot

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2006
6,985
I see that as Lewis’s fault, yet again.

Doesn’t happen of course if Red Bull gets their pit right.
Max will win the title if Lewis doesn't kill him.

Rant aside, happy for Riccardo.
 
Last edited:

kfoss99

Well-Known Member
Silver Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2009
557
So many great story lines. The Netflix show is going to be bonkers.

Lost in the mix, Williams looks competitive and keeps accumulating points.
 

mikeot

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2006
6,985
This battle is down right NASCARian. I've grown to hate crashes, but Max vs Lewis is amazing drama.
[/QUOTE]


Word: it's now Ali-Frazier on wheels. Is Netlfix on the stock exchange?
 

Rustjive

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2009
1,004
Verstappen bias on this forum is pretty evident. - both Horner and Marko are calling it a racing incident, so for people here to say it's Lewis' fault is something else.
 

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
Verstappen bias on this forum is pretty evident. - both Horner and Marko are calling it a racing incident, so for people here to say it's Lewis' fault is something else.
Im just catching up. I think this really speaks to Max's mentality. Pretty much each time Max and Lewis have had a chicane incident this season Lewis has ceded from behind as Max holds the line.

Max could have backed out through that whole chicane but kept hammer down and eventually ran out of room and hit the sausage and went flying in assuming Lewis figured Max would slide in behind and kept his line assuming Max would behave similarly to Lewis.

I wouldn't say either are blameless. But Max being full aggression didn't make the situation better. But sausage kerbs suck.
 

swiftaw

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2009
2,855
Well, apparently officials thought it was Max’s fault since they handed him a three place grid penalty.
 

Chainsaw318

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 6, 2006
1,696
Burned . . . Blacklisted
Verstappen bias on this forum is pretty evident. - both Horner and Marko are calling it a racing incident, so for people here to say it's Lewis' fault is something else.
Seconded here. Given Red Bull’s tendency toward histrionics whenever they may possibly have been wronged by another team or the race director, their measured response should have spoken loudly about who was more to blame.

Max has always, since his earliest F1 races, had the tendency to force other to move because he wouldn’t. Most times other drivers have not risked their race to beat him, this time, he was behind, and did not do what others have done when he forced them to, which was either brake or cut the corner.



I love Danny Ric, and had been concerned about his 1st half struggles when compared to Lando. Great to see the success for both of them and the team, giving how irrelevant their were a few years ago.

It could have been more fun if Ricciardo had been holding Max off for the win (which I think would have been the case) but the 1-2 is pretty fun, and we got multiple shooey’s out of it
 

Phragle

wild card bitches
SoSH Member
Jan 1, 2009
13,105
Carmine's closet
Max is a great racer with all time talent but he's not going to win a bunch of championships if he treats every corner like it's his last, unless of course he take out his main competition with him. Fast as hell but does he have the patience to be a great winner? Not yet

I believe Horner called it a 50-50 thing, which in reality means it was 80% Max's fault at least
 

Average Reds

Dope
Staff member
Dope
V&N Mod
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
32,692
Southwestern CT
Verstappen bias on this forum is pretty evident. - both Horner and Marko are calling it a racing incident, so for people here to say it's Lewis' fault is something else.
Just catching up on this weekend’s events. To see the same predictable response from the Verstappen partisans in the aftermath of a crash like this is enough to drive me away from this specific thread.

Just not even worth engaging any more.
 

Chainsaw318

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 6, 2006
1,696
Burned . . . Blacklisted
Shift F1, the podcast that got me into F1 does a good job taking through the incident in this weeks show, including stuff I hadn’t thought of, including that it looks like Max is alongside in the initial angles because he started from a position of greater speed down the straight that he actually catches up during the turn.

Also, they read my email on the show this week!
 

Phragle

wild card bitches
SoSH Member
Jan 1, 2009
13,105
Carmine's closet
Shift F1, the podcast that got me into F1 does a good job taking through the incident in this weeks show, including stuff I hadn’t thought of, including that it looks like Max is alongside in the initial angles because he started from a position of greater speed down the straight that he actually catches up during the turn.

Also, they read my email on the show this week!
The beginning of Missed Apex was very good. Brad brought up a point that I didn't notice at first. With the speed and position that Max had half way through the chicane he was never going to make the second turn. Even if Lewis wasn't there. He was bound to at least be in the grass, if not the gravel. If Lewis had to do it again I think he'd try to carry a little more speed in even on cold tires. I would suspect he thought the overtake was complete. It would have been w any driver other than Max
 

Kremlin Watcher

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 20, 2005
4,564
Houston, TX
My brother scored two ticket packages for all three days from a client for the USGP. Should bean awesome weekend. If my old friend Nikita Mazepin’s father is there
I’ll try to get his attention and maybe get special access. Can’t wait!
 

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
My brother scored two ticket packages for all three days from a client for the USGP. Should bean awesome weekend. If my old friend Nikita Mazepin’s father is there
I’ll try to get his attention and maybe get special access. Can’t wait!
Enjoy!!!
 

SocrManiac

Tommy Seebach’s mustache
SoSH Member
Apr 15, 2006
4,830
Somers, CT
I forgot that they use the shit production company for the Russian Grand Prix. It’s hilarious how awful the action choices are. They missed every big pass for such wonderful things as watching Bottas come out of the pits.
 

kfoss99

Well-Known Member
Silver Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2009
557
That race is proof that an inverted field would generate a lot of great racing.
 

SocrManiac

Tommy Seebach’s mustache
SoSH Member
Apr 15, 2006
4,830
Somers, CT
I’d still blown away by how bad that production was. What percentage of the action did we actually catch live?

Gutted for Norris. McLaren had a rough time of it in the pits and on the wall. They did try to get the inters on but Lando overrode. Just flailing a bit at the end.
 

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
To me the difference whether you want to call it experience or trust or whatever, was that eventually Lewis capitulated and pitted despite initially ignoring the team. Merc did a good job explaining the rain was going to get much worse...it did.

Team has to make Lando understand what the radar is telling them and the rest of the damn field. Mention Lewis alone on the starting line earlier this season. Anything to protect that podium if not the race win. They were like a minute up. 1 or 2 was locked down.


And yes that was horrendous production, how many overtakes did they miss? 100? 200? Like if the interval is less than half a second maybe have that queued up.
 

OurF'ingCity

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 22, 2016
6,897
New York City
I happened to be up early two weeks ago and just turned on the race more or less just to have something on in the background, but then became utterly engrossed and was literally "oohing" and "aahing" by the end (the rain played a big factor, obviously - I suspect if that hadn't occurred I might not have gotten as into it). So since then I've been doing a deep dive and I'm already totally hooked - through the first 2.5 seasons of DTS, going down the YouTube rabbit hole, etc. Reading this thread from start to finish once I was familiar with all the drivers, teams, etc. was also really helpful to get a feel for the ebbs and flows of the season so far.

Because I suspect there may be other noobs like me joining this thread in the future, I'd like to particularly commend the "Chain Bear" YouTube channel - it has a bunch of videos on the technical aspects that are pretty much all less than 10 min long and do an excellent job in explaining complex things like tire (tyre?) rules and strategy, the components of the current hybrid power unit, slipstream vs. dirty air, etc. that seem totally inscrutable at first but actually aren't all that hard to understand once you get a sense of the terminology, etc. (By the way, I'm kind of glad I binged DTS first and only then got into the technical stuff more because as great as DTS is at following the various soap-opera like narratives, the show completely ignores like 90% of what goes into a successful vs. unsuccessful race.)
 

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
I happened to be up early two weeks ago and just turned on the race more or less just to have something on in the background, but then became utterly engrossed and was literally "oohing" and "aahing" by the end (the rain played a big factor, obviously - I suspect if that hadn't occurred I might not have gotten as into it). So since then I've been doing a deep dive and I'm already totally hooked - through the first 2.5 seasons of DTS, going down the YouTube rabbit hole, etc. Reading this thread from start to finish once I was familiar with all the drivers, teams, etc. was also really helpful to get a feel for the ebbs and flows of the season so far.

Because I suspect there may be other noobs like me joining this thread in the future, I'd like to particularly commend the "Chain Bear" YouTube channel - it has a bunch of videos on the technical aspects that are pretty much all less than 10 min long and do an excellent job in explaining complex things like tire (tyre?) rules and strategy, the components of the current hybrid power unit, slipstream vs. dirty air, etc. that seem totally inscrutable at first but actually aren't all that hard to understand once you get a sense of the terminology, etc. (By the way, I'm kind of glad I binged DTS first and only then got into the technical stuff more because as great as DTS is at following the various soap-opera like narratives, the show completely ignores like 90% of what goes into a successful vs. unsuccessful race.)
Chain bear is amazing. His Patreon stuff is really good for a buck to support him.
 

PseuFighter

Silent scenester
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2003
14,159
11211
Has anyone here been to the Mexico event? I'm going to be in CDMX and am probably going to attend, if anyone has tips/tricks/suggestions. From what I've read, for a first-timer, the best/fun seats are at Foro Sol (14/15).
 

Chainsaw318

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 6, 2006
1,696
Burned . . . Blacklisted
I happened to be up early two weeks ago and just turned on the race more or less just to have something on in the background, but then became utterly engrossed and was literally "oohing" and "aahing" by the end (the rain played a big factor, obviously - I suspect if that hadn't occurred I might not have gotten as into it). So since then I've been doing a deep dive and I'm already totally hooked - through the first 2.5 seasons of DTS, going down the YouTube rabbit hole, etc. Reading this thread from start to finish once I was familiar with all the drivers, teams, etc. was also really helpful to get a feel for the ebbs and flows of the season so far.

Because I suspect there may be other noobs like me joining this thread in the future, I'd like to particularly commend the "Chain Bear" YouTube channel - it has a bunch of videos on the technical aspects that are pretty much all less than 10 min long and do an excellent job in explaining complex things like tire (tyre?) rules and strategy, the components of the current hybrid power unit, slipstream vs. dirty air, etc. that seem totally inscrutable at first but actually aren't all that hard to understand once you get a sense of the terminology, etc. (By the way, I'm kind of glad I binged DTS first and only then got into the technical stuff more because as great as DTS is at following the various soap-opera like narratives, the show completely ignores like 90% of what goes into a successful vs. unsuccessful race.)
Welcome to it. Chainbear’s diagrams and graphics are great for understanding core concepts in a way that sticks. I just re-watched his video on corners and apexes.

for new viewers, I also think it helps to pick a driver or team that interests you and follow them during the race, even if they aren’t always on screen. It gives you a rooting interest (you can switch favorite teams/drivers later!) gets you into the ebb and flow of pits and race positions.
 

Bongorific

Thinks he’s clever
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
7,256
Balboa Towers
Welcome to it. Chainbear’s diagrams and graphics are great for understanding core concepts in a way that sticks. I just re-watched his video on corners and apexes.

for new viewers, I also think it helps to pick a driver or team that interests you and follow them during the race, even if they aren’t always on screen. It gives you a rooting interest (you can switch favorite teams/drivers later!) gets you into the ebb and flow of pits and race positions.
I’ve been casually watching for a couple of years now. I got into DTS when it was first released and was hooked on how gorgeous the whole thing looks in 4K and how awesome the car technology is. I watch most races but not always the whole thing. I should watch the YouTube clips because everything I’ve learned is basically from the Sky Sports telecast as DTS doesn’t teach much about the cars or racing.

I have found it hard to pick a team and/or driver with the amount of turnover. From the series, I gravitated to Sainz, Ricciardo, and Norris. I find Zac Brown interesting, he’s an American in a mostly foreign sport, and I like the McClaren color sways (as lame as that sounds) so I find myself rooting for them. I’m Italian so I wanted to like Ferrari but something turned me off to them in DTS. But Sainz is there now so I’m rooting for him. I find myself usually rooting for Max over Lewis when they’re going at it but I’m not really sure why. Just pulling for the newer blood I guess.

If anyone wants to share who they root for and why I’d love to hear it. I may be rooting for a bunch of butt heads and should be cheering for better humans instead.
 

Average Reds

Dope
Staff member
Dope
V&N Mod
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
32,692
Southwestern CT
If anyone wants to share who they root for and why I’d love to hear it. I may be rooting for a bunch of butt heads and should be cheering for better humans instead.
This is actually an interesting subject.

I have followed Formula 1 since the 70s. First got into it when the legendary Mark Donohue (former Indy 500 winner who lived near us and was a friend of my father) came out of retirement to help Roger Penske launch his F1 team. (F1 was almost the only racing series that Donohue and Penske had not conquered.) That ended when Donohue died in something of a freak accident in Austria, but I was hooked.

Since then, the racers that I have followed/rooted for are those who, IMO, combined their personal drive and immense talent with a certain flair. Mario Andretti, Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell were my early favorites and my reverence for Senna borders on the unreasonable. I appreciated giants like Lauda and Schumacher, though, for reasons I'm not prepared to explain, I could never really root for them. (Something in the ruthless nature of both of them felt almost over the line to me, but I'm sure that's an unfair judgment.)

I've been a fan of Lewis Hamilton since his early days, and while it's clear that he's insanely talented, it's hard to judge him as the "best" because he's spent almost his entire career in cars that were at or close to the best equipment available.

In terms of the younger drivers, I really like Verstappen for similar reasons - he's manically driven and insanely talented. And I've been following George Russell for a few years and look forward to seeing him in a strong car next year.

To more directly answer your question, I don't know if there are any "good humans" among the top formula 1 drivers. I say this because I cannot imagine that F1 is a breeding ground for what would be considered admirable traits. In order to succeed, you have to have an incredibly skewed, selfish perspective; almost almost to the point of delusion where you attempt to bend reality to your will. This is why the top drivers often sound like such children in the radio transmissions that are captured during (and after) the broadcast - they are operating at peak stress and are commenting from inside an incredibly distorted bubble they live in 24/7. To the extent we can ever judge any of them as "good" or "bad" is just a guess. So I root for what I appreciate and don't get too attached.

Probably a longer response than you had expected, but there you have it. :)
 

SocrManiac

Tommy Seebach’s mustache
SoSH Member
Apr 15, 2006
4,830
Somers, CT
I came for the car tech, and then Danny Ric drew me into the sport. It was refreshing somehow to see a professional athlete willing to draw a penis on a rival's picture or make fart noises over a press conference. It's not about the childish humor, it's just finally getting a view of somebody that isn't the polished, perfect professional.

Verstappen is starting to feel like the old man with Lando and Russell on the grid. I like to see Max challenging Lewis (finally). Lando has been open and honest with his mental health issues, which I again find incredibly relatable. Russell seems like the next generation talent considering what he did when he squeezed into Lewis's car last year, and seeing him alongside next year has me salivating for Sunday mornings.

My purest enjoyment of the sport is watching videos of the technology. The video that drove me from a casual viewer to a more rabid, "consume everything" fan was back in 2014. It explained the Mercedes split turbo and all of the corresponding performance gains they achieved as a result. It was just a fantastic engineering solution, simultaneously simple and elegant, and solved so many problems that just shattered their rivals. I can't find the video now- I suspect it was one of the no longer available Sky Sports series.
 

OurF'ingCity

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 22, 2016
6,897
New York City
I find myself somewhat counterintuitively rooting for Mercedes and Hamilton in large part because they remind me so much of the Belichick/Brady era Pats. Toto Wolff reminds me a ton of BB - he had a quote in the last season of DTS where he said something like "It's great to win a championship but the moment after I receive that trophy I start thinking about next year's car," which is very much Belichick's approach as well, as we know.

And Hamilton reminds me of Brady in many ways - he's insanely good at what he does and generally stays pretty humble about it, but is also a sore loser (to his credit, he straight up admits this on DTS) and can be a bit of a prima donna at times behind the scenes apparently. Hamilton's race, of course, adds a whole additional dimension that makes him almost more like a cross between Brady and Tiger Woods - given the levels of racist abuse Hamilton has endured since he was literally a child, I find it hard not to root for him for that reason as well.

All that said I'm glad that both the driver and constructor championships this year are close, as nobody (other than those actually working for Mercedes) wants to see a team/driver just run away with it early year after year.

(P.S. the football analogy works for the bad teams too. Williams is the Jets - they were good a long time ago but have never been able to recapture that former glory, despite claiming seemingly every year that this is the year they finally turn it around. And Haas is obviously the Jaguars (or maybe the Texans) - a relatively new team with some surprising moments of success at times in past years but which at the moment is a complete and unadulterated shitshow.)
 

SocrManiac

Tommy Seebach’s mustache
SoSH Member
Apr 15, 2006
4,830
Somers, CT
The Mercedes/Pats analogy extends further. Mercedes used to be the best prepared team in the pit lane, executed strategy flawlessly, and won on their off days. The strategy mistakes and poor pit stop execution are happening far more frequently over the past two years or so.

I did enjoy Hamilton more a few years ago. I've absolutely been bored by his success. More than that, I think, his constant whining is getting grating. The more frequent public bitching about his team is something I want my six year old son to see less of as well.
 

Average Reds

Dope
Staff member
Dope
V&N Mod
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
32,692
Southwestern CT
Verstappen is starting to feel like the old man with Lando and Russell on the grid.
This is too funny.

I remember Max's father (Jos Verstappen) driving in F1 and it doesn't feel like all that long ago. Plus, his father is more than 10 years younger than I am, so Max is always going to be young to me.

As a side note, I didn't realize that Max's mother was a standout kart driver in her own right. No wonder Max is as talented as he is.
 

GBA

lurker
Jul 18, 2005
30
I did enjoy Hamilton more a few years ago. I've absolutely been bored by his success. More than that, I think, his constant whining is getting grating. The more frequent public bitching about his team is something I want my six year old son to see less of as well.
It’s funny, every time I start going down this road with Hamilton, Horner says something that has me right back pulling for ze Germans (at least in that two man/team battle).
 

SocrManiac

Tommy Seebach’s mustache
SoSH Member
Apr 15, 2006
4,830
Somers, CT
The big questions for the start tomorrow are whether or not Bottas can beat Max to Turn 1 and, if he does, will Mercedes use him to push Max into Lewis? Then, if Mercedes does make the order, will Valteri bother with it?
 

tmracht

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 19, 2009
2,609
I think it's actually a best case for Merc if they just let Bottas go. Give him a simple order win the race. Lewis will move from P11 into a good point position. Don't let Bottas get into a pissing contest about team orders. Mercs are flying on this track.