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This is mostly a Phil Hughes thread. He gave up 4 runs in the first inning today, then threw 4 scoreless innings, left after 5 innings and 104 pitches. His first start of the season was pretty similar. 5 innings both times.
For 2 starts, Hughes has pitched 10 innings, given up 12 hits, 8 runs, all earned, 4 walks and 10 Ks. 2HRs. 1.60 WHIP. 7.20 ERA.
 

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Oh, yeah. Cano is hitting .346 with 2 RBI and an .892 OPS. He is no Yangervis Solarte. But who is?
 

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Lyle Overbay has 1 hit and 2 RBI in 15 ABs for Milwaukee this season. Batting .077. Had a nice game in Fenway earlier this week. He's splitting first base with Mark Reynolds, who is 5-for-17 with 1 HR and 3 RBI. Homered in Fenway, a park he truly loves.
 

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Joba has pitched 2 innings, given up 4 hits, 3 runs, walking 1 and striking out 4. So things are going pretty well.
 

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Not as well as Vernon Wells, who is sitting home in Texas, watching the kids and pulling in $18.6M from the Angels.
 

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The Cano OPS breakdown is interesting because it is almost all OBP, 9th in the league in OBP at .469 (tied with Ellsbury), 42nd in the league in SLG at .423 with 0 HRs thus far. 
 

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I still don't get why NY didn't keep Mark Reynolds for a few million, I guess they still thought they could get under $189M then. 
 

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jon abbey said:
I still don't get why NY didn't keep Mark Reynolds for a few million, I guess they still thought they could get under $189M then.
They did. They just changed his name to Kelly Johnson.
 

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Funny, but Mark Reynolds' natural positions are actually 3B and 1B (as opposed to Johnson who was a 2B mostly before this year), and he can hit both righties and lefties, as opposed to Johnson who struggles against lefties. Sign Johnson to play 2B, keep Reynolds for 3B and backup 1B and don't sign Brian Roberts. Wouldn't that have made more sense?
 

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Funny, but Mark Reynolds' natural positions are actually 3B and 1B (as opposed to Johnson who was a 2B mostly before this year), and he can hit both righties and lefties, as opposed to Johnson who struggles against lefties. Sign Johnson to play 2B, keep Reynolds for 3B and backup 1B and don't sign Brian Roberts. Wouldn't that have made more sense?
 
Johnson has a higher career OPS against lefties than righties.
 
And while Reynolds has played 3B quite a lot, he's really not good enough to play there more than once or twice a week at this point. Johnson looks far better defensively at third base than Reynolds. I think Reynolds made sense for the Yankees, but as a backup for Teixeira being injured or needing time off or just being mediocre rather than as a solution for third base.
 

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Johnson's been decidedly worse against LHP than RHP the last three seasons, OPS numbers against RHP/LHP:
 
2011: .750/.626
2012: .705/.607
2013: .723/.686
 
He could hit lefties earlier in his career, but not in recent years, and Girardi has been sitting him whenever possible against LHPs so far. 
 

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Put me in the Brian Roberts camp. Got a feeling he's going to be very solid after he gets 100 ABs.
 

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jon abbey said:
Funny, but Mark Reynolds' natural positions are actually 3B and 1B (as opposed to Johnson who was a 2B mostly before this year), and he can hit both righties and lefties, as opposed to Johnson who struggles against lefties. Sign Johnson to play 2B, keep Reynolds for 3B and backup 1B and don't sign Brian Roberts. Wouldn't that have made more sense?
 
Completely agree. Not to mention Reynolds is a Red Sox killer and Johnson is made for YS3 with his RF power. 
 

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Put me in the Brian Roberts camp. Got a feeling he's going to be very solid after he gets 100 ABs.
 
The main concern with Roberts is mainly if he can stay healthy enough to get 100 AB's
 

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Granderson;s line,  138/242/345/587
 
Montero with a 487 OPS in the hitter friendly PCL (albeit only 15 AB)
 
And Russell Martin on the other side of the replacement level line with 2 HR lifting his OPS to 962.  Makes me want to cry watching McCann hit thus far
 

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You really need to see the words of Montero's GM if his name is going to come up:

To many around baseball, he’s inching closer to becoming yet another cautionary tale of a talented player filled with potential who is unaware he’s squandering it.
 
It’s left the Mariners questioning his desire to be something more than he already is as a player. And until he proves to them otherwise, he won’t be considered part of their immediate future or beyond.
 
“It’s up to him,” Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik said. “I have zero expectations for Jesus Montero. Any expectations I had are gone.”
 
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It should have been a seminal offseason for Montero. The disappointment of 2013 should have offered the ultimate motivation. Most players would’ve used the offseason to prepare like they’ve never prepared before and come to camp ready to atone for the past failures.
 
Instead, Montero came in heavier than ever. He even admitted it, dropping the regrettable comment: “After winter ball, all I did was eat.”
 
After each season, players meet with training and medical staff to set up their offseason. Each player is given a target weight he is expected to come in at next spring. According to sources, Montero has never once met that target weight since joining the Mariners. This year he came in 40 pounds over.
 
“We are disappointed in how he came in physically,” Zduriencik said bluntly.
 
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“I’m not counting on him,” Zduriencik said. “I’m not expecting anything. Whatever he does, he’s got to get our attention — that’s how I’m looking at it. We haven’t discarded him at all. But he’s got to prove it to us. We’ve got players here that want to be big-league players and want to be big-league players for a long time. In his case, he’s still got that to prove yet. And I don’t think he’s done that. He hasn’t taken that next step where he’s got everyone’s attention. He can, because the ability is there to do that.”
 
And if not?
 
“In the end, it is Jesus’ life,” Zduriencik said. “It’s Jesus who has to make a call on this. We’ll be there to assist any of these players, him included. But he will not be given anything. It’s an uphill climb for him.
 
“He has the ability to get over the hump, and he should. But if he doesn’t, then shame on Jesus.”

 
 
 

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Cano still with 0 HRs this season, 8 in his last 81 games going back to last season. Give that man an extension!
 

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“In the end, it is Jesus’ life,” Zduriencik said. “It’s Jesus who has to make a call on this. We’ll be there to assist any of these players, him included. But he will not be given anything. It’s an uphill climb for him.
 
“He has the ability to get over the hump, and he should. But if he doesn’t, then shame on Jesus.”
Wow.  Blaming the Lord and Savior?
 

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Wow.  Blaming the Lord and Savior?
It's hard to hit when you're hanging from the cross. Jack Z seems to be scapegoating Montero, who deserves it, for a trade that could ultimately get him fired at the end of the season. Who trades a stud pitcher for a young hitter who can't field? (Maybe Jack knew about Pineda's shoulder when he made the deal, which is bad karma for Jack.)
 

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We can’t forget the circumstances at the time. Seattle was desperate for a big bat and Montero was as advertised during his time in NY. Heck Seattle just paid 240 million for such a bat. If Seattle is successful this year all will be forgiven, if not then Jack Z may have problems, but how Cano hits will probably have more to do with it than the Montero/Pineda trade.
 

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We can’t forget the circumstances at the time. Seattle was desperate for a big bat and Montero was as advertised during his time in NY. Heck Seattle just paid 240 million for such a bat. If Seattle is successful this year all will be forgiven, if not then Jack Z may have problems, but how Cano hits will probably have more to do with it than the Montero/Pineda trade.
Jack Z has made a couple other negative trades or signings in his short stint as GM. Cliff Lee to Texas in a package for Justin Smoak is one he drew heat for. This link provides some others, like the free agent singing of the late Chone Figgins.
 
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2013/08/20/chuck-armstrong-chooses-not-to-comment-on-report-of-possible-one-year-contract-extension-for-zduriencik/
 

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[SIZE=9pt]Cano is near bottom for nearly every offensive statistic in AL for 2[/SIZE]nd [SIZE=9pt]basemen. He’s not too hot in fielding either. [/SIZE]
 

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I loved him in NY, my favorite player in a while, but now I want him to fail epically. 
 

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HriniakPosterChild said:
When was he ever hot in fielding?
 
I live near Seattle and fully expected an Albert Pujols effect from his move out here.
He's fielding worse than last year. Hamilton sucked too, 1st year. Fielder isn't doing too well either. Maybe it's an AL West adaption thing? But then there's Choo.  
 

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[SIZE=9pt]Cano is near bottom for nearly every offensive statistic in AL for 2[/SIZE]nd [SIZE=9pt]basemen. He’s not too hot in fielding either. [/SIZE]
What stats are you looking at here? The average AL 2b is OPSing .673. Cano: .673. He's not up to his usual standards yet but "near the bottom" is an overstatement.
 
(psst: Pedroia's OPS is .634. It's early)
 

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After Seattle's loss to Houston last night, Cano is sitting at .269/.326/.346. He's got 21 hits but only 4(!!!) XBH. Yikes. To top it all off it was Seattle's 8th loss in a row and 9th out of 10 games. And played in front of 10k fans at safeco.  As a Yankee fan i'd hope he was seriously wishing for a mulligan but i doubt it
 

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And Curtis Granderson has made Cano look like Mike Trout, he is rocking a .449 OPS and a .116 BA (!!!!). 
 

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Newsday article about Cano in Seattle. http://tinyurl.com/mzyd2zo
 
Key quote:"I like it here," the now-bearded Cano said. "It's nice. The team's really nice. I like the team, the city. Playing baseball, the fans, it's really nice. Here it's more relaxed. It's not as intense as New York. In New York, when the game is over, everyone is looking at what's wrong. Here we don't have that."
 
Its nice to know the fans dont beat him up for posting a .292/.347/.371 with 5 XBH for $24 million a year. What a douchebag. 
 

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Newsday article about Cano in Seattle. http://tinyurl.com/mzyd2zo
 
Key quote:"I like it here," the now-bearded Cano said. "It's nice. The team's really nice. I like the team, the city. Playing baseball, the fans, it's really nice. Here it's more relaxed. It's not as intense as New York. In New York, when the game is over, everyone is looking at what's wrong. Here we don't have that."
 
Its nice to know the fans dont beat him up for posting a .292/.347/.371 with 5 XBH for $24 million a year. What a douchebag. 
 
Yeah, there's a big, similar-sounding piece on him in today's Post also, and I came to a similar conclusion. I was trying to figure out if I'd cheer or boo him if I was at the game on Tuesday, and I'm not totally sure. He was my favorite Yankee in quite some time, but I still think I'd boo the fuck out of him every time he came up. 
 

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ronlt40 said:
Newsday article about Cano in Seattle. http://tinyurl.com/mzyd2zo
 
Key quote:"I like it here," the now-bearded Cano said. "It's nice. The team's really nice. I like the team, the city. Playing baseball, the fans, it's really nice. Here it's more relaxed. It's not as intense as New York. In New York, when the game is over, everyone is looking at what's wrong. Here we don't have that."
 
Its nice to know the fans dont beat him up for posting a .292/.347/.371 with 5 XBH for $24 million a year. What a douchebag. 
 
The Seattle press is notoriously easy going, as are the fans, but I guarantee when his contract turns into an albatross like ARod's in Texas, the fans will turn on him and it will be ugly. He will be the sole reason they continue to never make the playoffs or win anything.
 

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jon abbey said:
 
 . I was trying to figure out if I'd cheer or boo him if I was at the game on Tuesday, and I'm not totally sure. He was my favorite Yankee in quite some time, but I still think I'd boo the fuck out of him every time he came up. 
He was my favorite too. I bought his rookie year #22 jersey that I still wear to the stadium today. That being said i will boo the shit out of him. I know he plays every game but that quote screams that deep down he has no heart. That deserves to be boo"d. 
 

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You mean the guy with the lackadaisical play in the field lacks heart and a fire to win? Nooo wayyy.
 

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I'd politely cheer (wouldn't be screaming my head off) his first AB, but after that it has to be merciless booing. He's been kind of a douche about the whole thing - I can't really get over him saying that the Yankees showed a lack of respect because they didn't offer him the same megadeal that Seattle did. 
 

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Eh.  I don't mind Cano speaking his mind on the deal he got from Seattle or didn't get from the Yankees.  I think the Yankees did the right thing and don't begrudge him success elsewhere, as long as it doesn't come in a game against the Yankees or otherwise harm their playoff interests.  I can't get too excited about it one way or another.
 
I can definitely see him being a lot more comfortable in a relaxed environment in Seattle.  Whether or not that comfort translates into production remains to be seen. 
 

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I'd politely cheer (wouldn't be screaming my head off) his first AB, but after that it has to be merciless booing. He's been kind of a douche about the whole thing - I can't really get over him saying that the Yankees showed a lack of respect because they didn't offer him the same megadeal that Seattle did. 
 
Well, I kind of get that, but at the same time here are the OPS+ numbers for the guys the Yankees had at all 9 positions last year (the guys who played the most games/ABs at each):
 
57
71
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75
85
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87
 
Which was a bunch of drek, then:
 
108 (Gardner)
145 (Cano)
 
And the Yankees throw around mega contracts like drunk sailors to non-Yankee free agents routinely, but no love for a guy who came up through the system, never got hurt, and who was the only guy who played all year who really stuck out in a good way?  I'd say he has at least a bit of reason to feel disrespected.....
 

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Montero with 6 HR and a 1023 OPS in the hitters paradise that is the PCL, so he should be getting the call soon..
 
Phil Hughes is the Twins ace with 2 straight QS and has yet to give up more than 4 ER. Lower ERA than Nova, Kuroda and just a tick above CC's
 
Cano also had a slow April start in 2012. Ended up being a career year.  He got 70 million more than the Yankees offered him, and no state or municipal taxes.  Easiest decision any player has had to make.  Missed all of 13 games in 7 years and he is being slammed for not running hard to 1B by many fans. LOL
 

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Sampo Gida said:
Montero with 6 HR and a 1023 OPS in the hitters paradise that is the PCL, so he should be getting the call soon..
 
Phil Hughes is the Twins ace with 2 straight QS and has yet to give up more than 4 ER. Lower ERA than Nova, Kuroda and just a tick above CC's
 
Cano also had a slow April start in 2012. Ended up being a career year.  He got 70 million more than the Yankees offered him, and no state or municipal taxes.  Easiest decision any player has had to make.  Missed all of 13 games in 7 years and he is being slammed for not running hard to 1B by many fans. LOL
RHH OPS 954 against Hughes. Good riddance. 
 

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That was so sweet and brilliant. It encapsulates the feelings of the "betrayed" fan and all the love and gratitude that hides behind the resentment. 
 

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Sampo Gida said:
Montero with 6 HR and a 1023 OPS in the hitters paradise that is the PCL, so he should be getting the call soon..
 
Phil Hughes is the Twins ace with 2 straight QS and has yet to give up more than 4 ER. Lower ERA than Nova, Kuroda and just a tick above CC's
 
Cano also had a slow April start in 2012. Ended up being a career year.  He got 70 million more than the Yankees offered him, and no state or municipal taxes.  Easiest decision any player has had to make.  Missed all of 13 games in 7 years and he is being slammed for not running hard to 1B by many fans. LOL
 
LOL yourself. I didn't say shit about him running to first (I know others may have but at the same time Sox fans loved to shit on him for this too) and I'm well aware that he made the obvious choice in going to Seattle. Doesn't mean he had to be a douche about it. That's all.
 

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I think for Rivera to write it that plainly means that Cano's reputation within the team was pretty well established. He didn't work as hard as some of his teammates thought he should. I'd be shocked if that perception wasn't part of the rationale to not go over 7 years.