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Brissett's biggest issue is probably that his shot visually seems broken, so it's harder for a team to dream on fixing it with shot quality improvements or minor work. He didn't help himself by getting open corner 3s in Boston and shooting 27%.
 

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Thought it was interesting Knicks signed Chuma Okeke with Brissett out there. Might be that Chuma is a bit more of a 4 size-wise, but I'd prefer Brissett based on what I've seen of both.

Also possible Brissett is looking for a different situation, but there's only so many options at this point, right?
Okeke (as discussed in the NYK thread) was signed to an Exhibit 10 contract, which means that he's almost assuredly headed to the G-League. I doubt Brissy wants to go back to the G-League.

edit: here's a list of teams and their roster construction. Most teams already have 14 or 15 guaranteed contracts, which means that they likely aren't going to sign another one unless someone much better than Brisset becomes available. Of the teams that have fewer than 14 guaranteed contracts, about the only teams I think would be a fit are CLE (maybe, but they only have 10 guaranteed contracts right now); CHA (depending on how seriously they are taking this season); PHI; NOP (maybe, they have 12 guaranteed contracts but don't really have a C); and SAC.

Of course if the Markkanen deal does or does not get done (we should know in the next few days) and depending on what happens to Ingram and Grant/Simons and Zach LaVine and the BRK wings, maybe some additional landing spots will open up.

Good luck to him.
 
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That's an incredible amount of money for a guy who didn't look like he was worth a league minimum. I figured he'd be in Europe this year. Great work by him, a little of the Championship / Jays' pixie dust sprinkled on him I suppose.
 

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That's an incredible amount of money for a guy who didn't look like he was worth a league minimum. I figured he'd be in Europe this year. Great work by him, a little of the Championship / Jays' pixie dust sprinkled on him I suppose.
Is it? By my math, a 4 year minimum deal for him would be worth only slightly less than that, assuming the minimum is recalculated after each year of service mid-contract:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum

2.874M in 2025, 3.389M in 2026, 3.978 in 2027 and 4.397 in 2028, total of just over $14.6M. I suppose the length is noteworthy.
 

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2.874M in 2025, 3.389M in 2026, 3.978 in 2027 and 4.397 in 2028, total of just over $14.6M. I suppose the length is noteworthy.
Yeah, the number of people who make more than the NBA minimum in the EuroLeague can still be counted on two hands. The odds he can get a Shane Larkin type career there (I know, right?!) have to be pretty low. So locking in 4 years at that level is an absolute 99th-percentile outcome for Svi.
 

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Well hey, he locked in an NBA salary for next year, and will get a real chance to stay in the league on a bad team.

Not sure it's a bet I'd be even wanting to ante up for, if I'm Ainge, but at least he got his optionality. But I'd rather try Brissett out than Svi.
 

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Why would Svi sign a 4 year deal at basically vet minimum that was not guaranteed for at least two of those years?
 

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Why would Svi sign a 4 year deal at basically vet minimum that was not guaranteed for at least two of those years?
Probably because he wants an honest chance to be a rotational player and maybe he thinks this is the best way to get a team to give him minutes.

Plus, he's running out of options.
 

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Probably because he wants an honest chance to be a rotational player and maybe he thinks this is the best way to get a team to give him minutes.

Plus, he's running out of options.
Svi is Ukranian and has been playing in the US for quite awhile now, he may just want to exhaust every option here and make a nice paycheck before heading to a Euro league and to his embattled home country. I also don't know his personal life, but he may also be interested in starting a family here.

Svi had averaged 9-10 ppg in limited action on a few bottom-dweller teams, and he and his agent may see the Jazz as a good rebuild team to get minutes on.
 

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Svi is Ukranian and has been playing in the US for quite awhile now, he may just want to exhaust every option here and make a nice paycheck before heading to a Euro league and to his embattled home country. I also don't know his personal life, but he may also be interested in starting a family here.

Svi had averaged 9-10 ppg in limited action on a few bottom-dweller teams, and he and his agent may see the Jazz as a good rebuild team to get minutes on.
Hm, I doubt the situation in Ukraine has much to do with it: guys like to exhaust every option in the NBA before going to Europe.

Going back to Ukraine before the end of the war isn't happening for him either, due to the mobilization situation (I have multiple friends/coworkers who would like to get out, but it's just not happening now, at any price).
 

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Hm, I doubt the situation in Ukraine has much to do with it: guys like to exhaust every option in the NBA before going to Europe.

Going back to Ukraine before the end of the war isn't happening for him either, due to the mobilization situation (I have multiple friends/coworkers who would like to get out, but it's just not happening now, at any price).
I was more commenting on him taking only one year guaranteed, and that even in a European league it is not like he'd be visiting home more while living on the same side of the pond. But I may be ignorant to European league contracts and maybe most are year to year.

Good for the young man for stretching his NBA career, and this seems like a good choice. I'd love to go to his NBA ref page 10 years from now and be like 'This guy made $40 million?!'
 

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Svi shot 41% from three the past two seasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if he became a point every two minutes back of the rotation guy in Utah, as they Sag for Flagg. He can’t be worse than former Ainge signee Carsen Edwards.
 

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Svi is Ukranian and has been playing in the US for quite awhile now, he may just want to exhaust every option here and make a nice paycheck before heading to a Euro league and to his embattled home country. I also don't know his personal life, but he may also be interested in starting a family here.

Svi had averaged 9-10 ppg in limited action on a few bottom-dweller teams, and he and his agent may see the Jazz as a good rebuild team to get minutes on.
The problem with this for the player is if he has a breakout year next year……he’ll be one of the most underpaid players in the league for not one, not two, but for the following three years. Maybe this was his only option to stay in the league but as I said last week this is a classic Ainge value trap.
 

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The problem with this for the player is if he has a breakout year next year……he’ll be one of the most underpaid players in the league for not one, not two, but for the following three years. Maybe this was his only option to stay in the league but as I said last week this is a classic Ainge value trap.
Ainge getting two years of team options is wild lol.
 

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Ainge getting two years of team options is wild lol.
Like how does this convo go with the agent?

“So looks like your guy got the snub this summer with no more roster spots available. Sucks that the top Euro teams have already committed too. Probably going to end up in the Serbian B League I suppose? (I made that league up). Ya know, we’ve worked well together in the past. I like you too. I really do. Respect, for sure. You’re one of the hardest working agents out here. Here’s what I’m gonna do for you guys to keep him in the league…..”
 

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Like how does this convo go with the agent?

“So looks like your guy got the snub this summer with no more roster spots available. Sucks that the top Euro teams have already committed too. Probably going to end up in the Serbian B League I suppose? (I made that league up). Ya know, we’ve worked well together in the past. I like you too. I really do. Respect, for sure. You’re one of the hardest working agents out here. Here’s what I’m gonna do for you guys to keep him in the league…..”
If there's one thing I'm sure of about someone without ever having met them, it's that Danny Ainge could charm the balls off a brass monkey.
 

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I hope all goes well for TL, I always liked him as a player and person. But what is over\under on his next injury?
"There was a point when I couldn't walk" isn't exactly encouraging on that front.
 

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"There was a point when I couldn't walk" isn't exactly encouraging on that front.
Holding your breath every time TimeLord leaps for a dunk or rebound in November is no way to go through an NBA season as a fan. Rob's blocks on the perimeter was some of the best NBA viewing for a couple of seasons. Brad trading him kind of stung for a day until you realized that we no longer had to be concerned with TL's health (KP's jumping stress has replaced it).

I have no idea how to mathematically measure BIG man injury % but it's high enough to avoid overpaying for it in trades or in the new CBA salary world.

That's why KP will be the first moved when ownership balks at a $500M payroll. It's also why I'm not a 76er believer, why the Knicks should trade MRob asap, why PDX should have quickly traded TL, why you don't trade Sam Hauser for backup Centers, and why 40yr old Al Horford is so damn valuable at $10M (get that extension done).
 

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I was watching one of the "Clutch" episodes and saw a locker in the C's room with the name Nathan Knight. That did not at all ring a bell. 2 way contract last fall and he got a locker, but never played for the big club, just Maine. But I bet he gets a ring
 

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I was watching one of the "Clutch" episodes and saw a locker in the C's room with the name Nathan Knight. That did not at all ring a bell. 2 way contract last fall and he got a locker, but never played for the big club, just Maine. But I bet he gets a ring
I remember him! Picked up from the Knicks, then waived during the season to snatch up Drew Peterson away from Miami.
 

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Holding your breath every time TimeLord leaps for a dunk or rebound in November is no way to go through an NBA season as a fan. Rob's blocks on the perimeter was some of the best NBA viewing for a couple of seasons. Brad trading him kind of stung for a day until you realized that we no longer had to be concerned with TL's health (KP's jumping stress has replaced it).

I have no idea how to mathematically measure BIG man injury % but it's high enough to avoid overpaying for it in trades or in the new CBA salary world.

That's why KP will be the first moved when ownership balks at a $500M payroll. It's also why I'm not a 76er believer, why the Knicks should trade MRob asap, why PDX should have quickly traded TL, why you don't trade Sam Hauser for backup Centers, and why 40yr old Al Horford is so damn valuable at $10M (get that extension done).
It helps that KP is 5 inches taller than RW. He can be useful without the max jumping stress. RW cannot be.
I think there's a larger point about age/injury here. As the Celtics are currently constructed, Horford is the only old guy (though I'd be surprised if Jrue didn't start showing some cracks), and KP is the only injury concern. And KP's thing isn't chronic AFAIK. It seems every other contending team is relying on older players or those that the teams have to hope will have one of those "his injury didn't hurt him *this* year" kind of years. The corollary, of course, is that it's really expensive to have a team that is both a championship contender for multiple years AND has neither of those concerns. Stevens and ownership went beyond "all-in" on building a championship team.
 

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It helps that KP is 5 inches taller than RW. He can be useful without the max jumping stress. RW cannot be.
I think there's a larger point about age/injury here. As the Celtics are currently constructed, Horford is the only old guy (though I'd be surprised if Jrue didn't start showing some cracks), and KP is the only injury concern. And KP's thing isn't chronic AFAIK. It seems every other contending team is relying on older players or those that the teams have to hope will have one of those "his injury didn't hurt him *this* year" kind of years. The corollary, of course, is that it's really expensive to have a team that is both a championship contender for multiple years AND has neither of those concerns. Stevens and ownership went beyond "all-in" on building a championship team.
Good points. Rob needed to leap out of the building to provide value, while KP doesn't. BUT weird leg injuries for BIGs seem to accrue. I'm not too concerned since the Celtic's future hinges mostly on the JAYs + White for the next 4-5 seasons.

Hauser/PP contracts make them extremely attractive to compete for LOBs if re-setting the CAP (trading KP) becomes a thing for a season. It's not a popular opinion, BUT Center depth can be found on the cheap along with shrink-wrapping Horford. The next few months will give us a preview of life without KP.
 

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Grant Williams inside the last minute of opening night vs the Hornets:

- Hits a dagger 3 when it was tied with 40 seconds left
- Lays out jumping on the ground to grab a loose ball and calls timeout to secure the turnover
- Gets the tip on a contested rebound that ultimately gets his team another possession and forces Houston to foul, largely icing the game

Guessing they'll tolerate a bit of whining at the refs if he's gonna channel his inner Marcus Smart like that from time to time.
 

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You hear about guys making a "business decision" by not trying to block a guy a foot and a half taller than them - is that defender even Pritchard's size?! That short guy made a "medical decision" i.e. I'm getting a bit too exhausted tonight and need to spend a night in a mechanical bed downtown.
Just so folks know, this was from a game on December 1st, 2023. (Fall is not on the Nanjing roster this season and has been working out the the New Zealand Breakers in the Australian NBL.)
 

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Just so folks know, this was from a game on December 1st, 2023. (Fall is not on the Nanjing roster this season and has been working out the the New Zealand Breakers in the Australian NBL.)
Is the other guy out of his coma yet?
 

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Give these guys a platform to do a national broadcast game and label it NSFW. I suspect they would get great engagement.
 

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Yeah like maybe a national-broadcast Celtics game, NBC Sports Boston gets permission to do a special "NSFW Feed" with Drew on PBP, maybe Scal there to keep it together, but mostly to spur PP & KG to say stuff about the game. Like every single member of this forum would pay extra for it, as if it were Pay-Per-View.