Fix the Bruins. Or, How I Became the Fantasy GM

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In the multiverse, numerous parallel realities exist. In this one, Don Sweeney has unfortunately suffered a priapism induced heart attack after hearing that the Florida Panthers were interested in trading Radko Gudas for David Pastrnak. Straight up.

Due to your exceptional NHL posting on SoSH, Cam Neely has selected YOU to take over the Bruins, effective immediately.

Your priorities are:

Determining team philosophy.
Finding a coach that fits that philosophy.
Preparing for the draft.
Repairing the roster through FA and trades based on the direction you think the team is heading and how to bring them back to greatness.

Give it your best shot. The hopes and dreams of Bruins Nation rests on your shoulders.
 

cshea

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To be honest. at this point I'm not sure bringing Bergeron back is a good idea for the long term health of the franchise. If he comes back, they're going to feel pressure to put a winning team around him which may result in even more long term pain.

Even if Bergeron comes back, they need to tread water into December without McAvoy, Marchand and Grzelyck, not to mention Bergeron and Reilly returning from offseason surgery and any other injuries that pop up between now and then. They have horses in Pastrnak, Hall, Lindholm but it's going to be a big ask to stay in the race. If Bergy does come back I think the only play they have is to try and convince Krejci to return and run it back. I don't think it's enough to compete for a Cup but it's proabably their only option.

If Bergy retires, I would spend this offseason trying to shed dead weight. Forbort, Foligno, Wagner, Reilly, Smith, see if they can clear some of that money off the books. I think I still trade DeBrusk either way. Even if he rescinds, he's going to have to play significant minutes without Marhand and/or Bergeron. Feels like a ripe situation for a production dip. They just spend half a season rebuilding his value to the point where he could return something half decent, I wouldn't waste it. They have to approach Pastrnak about an extension. I'd put McAvoy's extension on the table and see if that does it. If he expresses any interest in getting to UFA, then they have to take him to the trade market. I would not spend any free agency money or futures on marginal upgrades. I also would not spend futures to shed bad money. If this season ends in a transition/rebuild. I'd rather run the year out on Foligno and Wagner than force through a buyout. Try again next offseason with Forbort and Reilly when they're down to their final year.

I haven't really fleshed out my thoughts on who to target as a new coach. I don't want a name retread like Trotz, Tortorella, Vignealut. I would like a younger, outside the box hire but I haven't identified that person yet.

The draft is the draft. It seems they did well last year so do that again, I guess.
 

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To be honest. at this point I'm not sure bringing Bergeron back is a good idea for the long term health of the franchise. If he comes back, they're going to feel pressure to put a winning team around him which may result in even more long term pain.

Even if Bergeron comes back, they need to tread water into December without McAvoy, Marchand and Grzelyck, not to mention Bergeron and Reilly returning from offseason surgery and any other injuries that pop up between now and then. They have horses in Pastrnak, Hall, Lindholm but it's going to be a big ask to stay in the race. If Bergy does come back I think the only play they have is to try and convince Krejci to return and run it back. I don't think it's enough to compete for a Cup but it's proabably their only option.

If Bergy retires, I would spend this offseason trying to shed dead weight. Forbort, Foligno, Wagner, Reilly, Smith, see if they can clear some of that money off the books. I think I still trade DeBrusk either way. Even if he rescinds, he's going to have to play significant minutes without Marhand and/or Bergeron. Feels like a ripe situation for a production dip. They just spend half a season rebuilding his value to the point where he could return something half decent, I wouldn't waste it. They have to approach Pastrnak about an extension. I'd put McAvoy's extension on the table and see if that does it. If he expresses any interest in getting to UFA, then they have to take him to the trade market. I would not spend any free agency money or futures on marginal upgrades. I also would not spend futures to shed bad money. If this season ends in a transition/rebuild. I'd rather run the year out on Foligno and Wagner than force through a buyout. Try again next offseason with Forbort and Reilly when they're down to their final year.

I haven't really fleshed out my thoughts on who to target as a new coach. I don't want a name retread like Trotz, Tortorella, Vignealut. I would like a younger, outside the box hire but I haven't identified that person yet.

The draft is the draft. It seems they did well last year so do that again, I guess.
I have apparently learned a lot about hockey from you, because this totally alligns with my thoughts where I had formulated some, and I agree with the stuff I hadn't thought of.

p.s.: I really have learned a lot about hockey from @cshea
 

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If Bergy retires, I would spend this offseason trying to shed dead weight. Forbort, Foligno, Wagner, Reilly, Smith, see if they can clear some of that money off the books. I think I still trade DeBrusk either way. Even if he rescinds, he's going to have to play significant minutes without Marhand and/or Bergeron. Feels like a ripe situation for a production dip. They just spend half a season rebuilding his value to the point where he could return something half decent, I wouldn't waste it. They have to approach Pastrnak about an extension. I'd put McAvoy's extension on the table and see if that does it. If he expresses any interest in getting to UFA, then they have to take him to the trade market. I would not spend any free agency money or futures on marginal upgrades. I also would not spend futures to shed bad money. If this season ends in a transition/rebuild. I'd rather run the year out on Foligno and Wagner than force through a buyout. Try again next offseason with Forbort and Reilly when they're down to their final year.
I assume Bergeron is retiring. He's not coming back to this mess. Maybe he'll do the Rask and join mid-season once everyone is healthy, but I think he's done playing.

I wouldn't be looking to move salaries off the books to clear room for FAs. I want a full-fledged youth movement for the first month (wings/centers). Hughes, Studnicka, McLaughlin, Merkulov, Lysell, for starters. We can rotate Ahcan and Callahan in with the expected back six (Lindholm, Carlo, Reilly, Clifton, Zboril, Forbort) until Gryz and MacAvoy return. Let's assess exactly what prospects we have. This team needs to be a FA player next offseason, not this one.

I wonder if Cassidy's firing inspires DeBrusk to rescind his trade request. Agree on Pastrnak, but I'd bring back Krejci if it will help convince Pastrnak to sign an extension. Forbort has some trade deadline value for his particular skills.
 

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I don't have much to add here, as others will have much more insight. What I will say is that a lot of forward dreck comes off the books after next season (Foligno, Smith, Haula, Nosek, Wagner), and a lot of defensive dreck comes off the books the season after that (Gryz, Forbort, Reilly). So retooling this roster should really only take 3 seasons (i.e., 22-23, 23-24, and ready to go in 24-25). That doesn't mean it will be ready to compete necessarily, but rather it could look completely different should FantasyGM wants it to. With current contracts only, this club is already close to the salary floor NEXT season, so I build this team back by letting all the shitty contracts toll for 2 seasons, and only add young high-end talent as real building blocks. I know that's easier said than done, but looking ahead to FA next season, maybe a Bo Horvat, Dylan Larkin, Damon Severson, or Travis Sanheim (N.B. Just looking at some basic stats, not leaning on league knowledge or insight here).
 

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Oh boy, we're doomed.

I guess I would start with a goal. I don't know that this team can win without serious moves and I don't think they have the capital to make those moves without being very seriously bold. My goal would to be to get past a bunch of these veteran contracts, clear space and add assets over the next year with the hopes of bolstering the team for a run in the primes of their 2 elite mid 20's players. I'd be open to signing some mid tier guys to keep the team somewhat competitive. I realize I'm trying to serve two masters but I can't see a scenario where the Bruins go full tear down.

Team philosophy: Team defense and forechecking - think Calgary Flames, the pre Covid Bruins, Minnesota Wild. We want to carry the puck into the zone to push for rush attempts, but if we don't get there, we want to use speed and forechecking to get it out of the corners and into the front of the net. On defense, we utilize something similar to the current system. a hybrid zone scheme where the forwards cycle back to help out the D. position less defense outside the hashmarks with the D sucking to the net to prevent chances.

Coaching options: Spencer Carbery. On paper it looks like his teams played exactly how I wanted in Hershey. Can he do that here?

Derek Lalonde - Cooper's assistant in Tampa. They play exactly the style I want. He has ties to Yzerman and the Red Wings so he could end up there. Their uptempo but defensive style is a great match for this team. Cooper is also an exceptional communicator, you'd expect Lalonde has learned the value in that.

Marco Sturm - been working for Todd M. for 3+ years now and their style is a good match. Great guy, well respected, a rising star. I'm in love with Sturm head coach, Savvy PP and ozone coach combo. Elite facial reactions from the coaching staff.

The Draft: Find a way to draft my boy Luca Del Bella Belluz in the second round. Draft other players that I haven't heard of later but hopefully are as good as Jellvik and Gallagher were this year. Draft Rutger McGroarty with the 22nd pick that you'll get back in a trade later in this post. Add McGroarty and LDBB to our center pool.

The Roster: This might be a bit controversial, but I'm not sure it's as far away from being "good-ish" than we think. even without Bergeron. I don't think they can win a cup without a major move, but sometimes those materialize over time. What I would do is bury Foligno and Wagner. That saves $2m in cap space. I'd send Debrusk to Anaheim with one of the other D attached to him. They like Debrusk and he's at least worth a late first in a meh draft. Forbort and Reilly don't have much value, but 2x6 for a serviceable D is reasonable. Say the 22nd pick and a future 3rd. Trade the other $3m D to Lou (probably Forbort, lets be honest). They have MAJOR cap issues and Forbort fits their "window" at a price lower than what they can replace it with on the market. Get whatever you can for him.

Sign Copp, Rodrigues, Mason Marchment. By EH's contract projections you can afford them. Copp and Rodrigues are not game breaking centers but Rodrigues can play RW and Copp can play anywhere. He'd be good with Marchand on PK1 if Bergeron retires. Most importantly, all three of those guys are good, versatile and in their mid to late 20's, which fits this roster. They also aren't good enough to get 7 year deals. You simply cannot sign a 7 year deal for anyone in this UFA class. You could sign some depth D like Pysyk or Kulak and you're left with something like this:

Marchand - Copp-Rodrigues
Hall-Haula-Pastrnak
Marchment - Coyle - Smith
Frederic-Nosek-Steen

Lindholm-McAvoy
Gryz-Carlo
Zboril-Clifton
Kulak-Pysyk

That is a 90 point team at least. It would have been a 92 point team this season according to top down's model. If things break right, they could make the playoffs and win a round. At worst, I think the top 9 all has a chance to win their matchups on most nights. On the nights that 2 or more of them do it at the same time, they will win.

Most importantly, they don't give up any assets to improve a roster that needs a lot of help and they clear a ton of cap and replace it with younger, positive role players. They'd lose Wagner, Foligno, Haula, Nosek, Smith off the books after the year. If they give Pasta $9.5m, it would leave them with approx $15m in 2023 UFA and an upgradable roster, but not one that is bottoming out. I'd just give all of that to Nate and call start counting cups. Easy.
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PedroSpecialK

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Good stuff @burstnbloom - I don't know enough about the coaching candidates outside of the retreads to say whether I have any preferences, but I think we're all aligned that the retread route is not palatable.

I'm going into this exercise assuming Bergeron is retired, and that the Bruins will have the option to generate some breathing room with Marchand and McAvoy on LTIR to start the season (though I don't think that'll happen). Regardless, here goes...

1) Explore Pastrnak's appetite on signing long-term, as well as on a 2-3 year deal to let him get max or near-max AAV, improve his trade value, and re-enter unrestricted free agency while still in his prime
2) Explore which teams Hall would waive for if it came down to it - he will have 14 teams he can be dealt to this year, 20 starting next year

Everything else is pending the outcome of 1 & 2. If you can re-sign Pastrnak short- or long-term, you do it. If you can't, no choice but to explore the trade market around draft day. If the teams Hall can't block a trade to would be interested, figure out what the return could be come deadline day, and back pocket it.

When a team is exploring a tear-down, a vastly under-utilized means of asset collection (IMO) is short-term contracts to UFAs or non-tendered RFAs. This works two ways for a team at a crossroads like the Bruins:
  • Enables them to continue spending to the cap with short-term commitments, not hamstringing the long-term roster flexibility
  • Gives them a chance to see what a new mix of players can accomplish, i.e. are they hanging around the wild card spots come trade deadline day? If so, a few more playoff gates are available, stand pat or add a few pieces.
  • If they're out of it, selling offers a considerable amount of draft capital at effectively zero cost
Now, how do the Bruins clear salary space to take on UFAs / non-tendered RFAs and which ones do they target? With Marchand, McAvoy, Grzelcyk, and Reilly on the shelf to start the year, the roster looks like this:

Hall - Haula - Pastrnak
DeBrusk - Coyle - Smith
Frederic - Studnicka - Steen
Foligno - Nosek - Wagner
Lauko

Lindholm - Clifton
Zboril - Carlo
Forbort - Ahcan
7D ($800k)

Swayman
Ullmark

Forwards: $43.6m inc Studnicka at minimum
Defense: $32.6m inc Ahcan at minimum
Goalies: $5.9m

Total: $82.1m (< $0.5m in cap space)
Includes all of Marchand, McAvoy, Grzelcyk, Reilly

Is it possible the team would go hyper-aggressive in terms of making signings to get into LTIR and add flexibility? Possibly - but with the struggles they'll see at the gates this year and a likely middling chance at a playoff team, I don't see Jacobs greenlighting spending above the cap to be competitive.

There are a handful of players I look to move in the next month, or at the deadline worst-case:
  • Brandon Carlo - 5 years, $4.1m AAV remaining
    • Something is broken with this player. Worth exploring if you can get out from under this.
  • Craig Smith - 1 year, $3.1m AAV remaining
    • Likely more valuable to keep this year with increased ice time and see if the counting stats get you a better deadline day return
  • Derek Forbort - 2 years, $3m AAV remaining
    • Good one guys
  • Mike Reilly - 2 years, $3m AAV remaining
    • Can't believe he was in the press box, but if he can get back to the 2020-21 post-deadline form, he's an attractive asset to some teams (esp retained)
  • Linus Ullmark - 3 years, $5m AAV remaining
    • See if Edmonton or some other desperate team bites with $$ retained - he is of minimal use at this price point to a team with a strong goaltending pipeline and no immediate contention
If you can move any of the above players, I look to sign some of the below veterans on 1 year deals to move at the deadline and fill out the forward roster. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and some dumb organization will give you a 2nd and 4th for the equivalent of Lee Stempniak for 15 games.
  • Victor Rask
  • Zach Aston-Reese
  • Mattias Janmark
  • Michael Raffl
  • Zach Sanford
  • Marcus Johansson
  • Noel Acciari
  • Chris Tierney
On the backline, I can see them signing a couple of guys in the Kris Russell / Andrej Sekera mold - guys they've long been linked to but never signed, and would be cheap enough to get on a one year commitment.

The rest of these players are deadline deals to try and bank draft picks, maximize overall organizational assets, etc:
  • Haula
  • Smith
  • Nosek
  • Frederic (young-ish and cost-controlled but sucks)

Without Bergeron / Krejci, there is no path forward but to bottom out for 1-2 years, gather assets, use them to acquire more developed young players, and give the Pastrnak / McAvoy / Hall / Lindholm core a shot starting in '23-'24. They won't have the roster or salary flexibility to make much of a dent this year (shout out summer 2021 UFA signings). With Bergeron / Krejci, you're staving off the inevitable.

This organization is going into a dark place, and they just fired a guy that helped paper over this roster's shortcomings.
 
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I don’t think Neely/Sweeney have a rebuild in them. Sweeney may be getting a new contract but I don’t believe that he would survive a 2-3 year drought without the playoffs. He values his job security way more than the future of the franchise.
 

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--Let Bergeron either retire or go to another team.
--Extend Pasta for 8/$88 million. Extension kicks in next year.
--Trade Jake DeBrusk to the Vancouver Canucks for JT Miller and put him at center full-time. Hope to extend him.
--Buy Nick Foligno out. Cap hit drops by $1.9 million in 2022.
--Trade Tomas Nosek and a 3rd round pick to the Rangers for Vitaly Kravtsov. 22 year old former top 10 pick.
--Sign Nicolas Deslauriers to a 1-year cheap deal to fill out the roster and play 4th line.

--Explore trades for draft picks involving fringe guys like Reilly, Forbort, Wagner.
--Explore the market to see what real assets you could get for Hall, Coyle, and Smith.


Marchand-Miller-Pasta
Hall-Haula-Smith
Frederic-Coyle-Kravtsov
Deslauriers-Studnicka-Steen
Wagner

Lindholm-McAvoy
Grz-Carlo
Forbort-Zboril
Reilly-Clifton

Swayman
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burstnbloom

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Thanks, @PedroSpecialK. I love me some ZAR. He was in my plan but EH projects him at over $2m and that freaked me out. I love the idea of short term deals that are moveable. Haula is the perfect example of that. If he comes out hot and has 30 points in the first 45 games, some team is going to give you something dumb for him at the deadline.

@RedOctober3829 Kratsov is really interesting as a post hype sleeper. If the Rangers value him that lowly, its a no brainer.
 

RedOctober3829

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@RedOctober3829 - what’s your interest in Kravstov? He hasn’t done much of anything since being drafted.
I'm sure you know the backstory on him by now with him refusing the AHL assignment. He's 22 years old who was a top 10 pick not long ago. In 34 games in the KHL this year he had 13 goals so the talent is still there. The Bruins do not have a lot of young talent in their pipeline so to me if Drury makes him available he would be a player to take a flyer on.
 

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I'm sure you know the backstory on him by now with him refusing the AHL assignment. He's 22 years old who was a top 10 pick not long ago. In 34 games in the KHL this year he had 13 goals so the talent is still there. The Bruins do not have a lot of young talent in their pipeline so to me if Drury makes him available he would be a player to take a flyer on.
I guess I just don’t put that much value in KHL stats.

Not saying I wouldn’t take a flier on him if he became available, but I’m not sure he’s going to move the needle on this team one way or another.
 

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I guess I just don’t put that much value in KHL stats.

Not saying I wouldn’t take a flier on him if he became available, but I’m not sure he’s going to move the needle on this team one way or another.
He probably wouldn't move the needle, but I'd rather have him on the roster to see what he has if it's going to be a rebuilding type of year.
 

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I guess I just don’t put that much value in KHL stats.

Not saying I wouldn’t take a flier on him if he became available, but I’m not sure he’s going to move the needle on this team one way or another.
He's tremendously talented, he's just not put it together. He's someone I'd be ok trying to see if he can figure it out provided the cost isnt 'former top 10 pick, kratsov!"
 

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I don't have too much to add to this, except that it seems the Bruins could stand to completely overhaul their approach to scouting and player development. And in addition to an overhaul, they need to throw more money there. It is all well and good to get lots of draft picks, but the Bruins don't seems especially good at using what picks they have.
 

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I don't have too much to add to this, except that it seems the Bruins could stand to completely overhaul their approach to scouting and player development. And in addition to an overhaul, they need to throw more money there. It is all well and good to get lots of draft picks, but the Bruins don't seems especially good at using what picks they have.
I'm not aiming any disagreement at you in particular @wiffleballhero , I've seen statements like this a lot around here and in other places, but I don't really understand this except as a general platitude...specifically, what part of their scouting and player development needs to change?

I'm sure that you're right in a vague sense, but I don't know the details here. It seems easy to just say "Things should change" but what exactly? I mean, they've had two major challenges with regards to replenishing their system- they draft in the mid to high 20s every year AND they move out anyone with actual talent for veterans to bolster their title chase every year. Tough to develop those lesser guys into NHL contributors...in fact, if you squint, you can see that as a good reason to fire Cassidy if you're annoyed at the development of young players at the NHL level.

I'd also put in the positive column that they have a great reputation among agents for picking and developing undrafted college players.

To me (nothing original here) the biggest issue isn't the scouting/development, it's the philosophy of overvaluing experience, toughness, and leadership qualities among bottom 6/4 players. Especially when the top 6/2 has those traits in spades. Signing and overpaying for one Foligno-type is fine, but they end up with too many. The scouting is fine- they KNOW who they're picking/signing...it's just the wrong guys (or so we think). Floor over ceiling.
 

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I'm not aiming any disagreement at you in particular @wiffleballhero , I've seen statements like this a lot around here and in other places, but I don't really understand this except as a general platitude...specifically, what part of their scouting and player development needs to change?

I'm sure that you're right in a vague sense, but I don't know the details here. It seems easy to just say "Things should change" but what exactly? I mean, they've had two major challenges with regards to replenishing their system- they draft in the mid to high 20s every year AND they move out anyone with actual talent for veterans to bolster their title chase every year. Tough to develop those lesser guys into NHL contributors...in fact, if you squint, you can see that as a good reason to fire Cassidy if you're annoyed at the development of young players at the NHL level.

I'd also put in the positive column that they have a great reputation among agents for picking and developing undrafted college players.

To me (nothing original here) the biggest issue isn't the scouting/development, it's the philosophy of overvaluing experience, toughness, and leadership qualities among bottom 6/4 players. Especially when the top 6/2 has those traits in spades. Signing and overpaying for one Foligno-type is fine, but they end up with too many. The scouting is fine- they KNOW who they're picking/signing...it's just the wrong guys (or so we think). Floor over ceiling.
I'd quibble with this a little bit. I think that when you're talking about their amateur scouting operation, it's pretty clear they are above average to good, at least over the last 5ish years. Their philosophy has just been risk averse and they value character and size over skill and production. You can disagree with that philosophy but it doesn't mean incompetence. The problem with their pro-scouting is that they continue to look at players (Richie, Foligno, Beleskey, Backes, Forbort) and make decisions that are counter to what their data teams are telling them, as Fris has attested to here. There has to be an element here where someone is saying "damn the numbers, Foligno is still a serviceable offensive player." Well, no, he's not. He hasn't been for years. Dom and JFresh had him as below replacement level offensively for the two years prior to his signing. So either the pro scouting operation is doing a poor job validating the data, or someone in the front office is ignoring what they are being told. I think you're right to say its unfair to blame it on the pro-scouting operation without evidence, but something in that line of communication seems clearly broken.
 

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I'd quibble with this a little bit. I think that when you're talking about their amateur scouting operation, it's pretty clear they are above average to good, at least over the last 5ish years. Their philosophy has just been risk averse and they value character and size over skill and production. You can disagree with that philosophy but it doesn't mean incompetence. The problem with their pro-scouting is that they continue to look at players (Richie, Foligno, Beleskey, Backes, Forbort) and make decisions that are counter to what their data teams are telling them, as Fris has attested to here. There has to be an element here where someone is saying "damn the numbers, Foligno is still a serviceable offensive player." Well, no, he's not. He hasn't been for years. Dom and JFresh had him as below replacement level offensively for the two years prior to his signing. So either the pro scouting operation is doing a poor job validating the data, or someone in the front office is ignoring what they are being told. I think you're right to say its unfair to blame it on the pro-scouting operation without evidence, but something in that line of communication seems clearly broken.
I appreciate this feedback...I think we largely agree here, I don't know if you read it that way.

But I think you've got it- I'd guess the issue is the FO listening (or not) to the scouting...I agree it's not incompetence but philosophy
 

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as a general platitude...
This is fair.

I guess my concern for a while has been that it seems to me that the Bruins -- as on of the 3-5 wealthiest, highest revenue teams -- could leverage that financial advantage to greater effect in scouting and I don't know that they do.

I understand that they are in draft purgatory because of their consistency.