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jcd0805

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I love figure skating and our top male skater is about to skate for the team, is no one else watching? Doesn’t fratboy normally provide a ton of insight?? Where are my fellow skating lovers?
 

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Here's my analysis: I am really pissed that NBC skipped the Israeli to show me Chen's teachers. The expectations of Chen were so high. Did anyone see the Israeli coming?
 

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Here's my analysis: I am really pissed that NBC skipped the Israeli to show me Chen's teachers. The expectations of Chen were so high. Did anyone see the Israeli coming?
Apparently not or they’d probably have not given his spot to the mean ballet teacher.
 

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I would like it if someone posted here just when Olympic skating will be on my TV. Apparently tonight is just part one?
You're lucky, one of the few sports live in prime time
Saturday 2/10 Team Part 2, 8-11 PM
Sunday 2/11, Team Final 7-11PM ET
2/13, Pairs Short 8-11:30 PM
2/14, Pairs Long 8-11:30
2/15, Men's Short 8-11:30
2/16, Men's Long 8-12
2/18 Ice Dance Short 7-12
2/19 Ice Dance Long 8-11:30
2/20 Ladies Short 8-12:30
2/22 Ladies Long 8-12
2/24 Gala 8-11
 

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We were wondering if something was wrong with the ice too, with all the falls. Maybe first night jitters...but seemed to be a lot.

Still, some great skating!
 

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Thanks for the schedule. What does the team country mean here? These folks don't really seem to be from Israel.
I think usually you have to have a connection like a parent born there or something in order to compete for that country, not sure if that’s the case for that team or not.
 

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I forgot all about this team event, new in 2014. At first I thought it seemed a little cheap, like a warm-up. But after watching Chen and so many others spill all over the place last night, I am thankful that they get it. Hopefully Chen got the jitters out of his system.
 

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https://www.marketwatch.com/video/olympian-jason-brown-breaks-down-figure-skatings-six-jumps/666BD1F2-0AB0-417B-846C-B45354AD4EE5.html

The above is a video showing the various jumps and how one differs from the other. Unless I misunderstand, you can do a "quad" in a variety of jumps, so long as you do four turns, which is really hard.

This article, which is so long that I haven't read it all, seems to do a very good job explaining current figure skating, with lots of examples: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/8/16919618/winter-olympics-2018-skating-jumps
 

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Thanks for the schedule. What does the team country mean here? These folks don't really seem to be from Israel.
If your mother or both maternal grandparents are Jewish, (and make Aliyah, I suppose) you can compete for team Israel.
 

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I think the girl on the Korean ice dance team just had a wardrobe malfunction during the "twizzle" sequence. Not sure if anything popped out, but it totally messed her up during the spin, as she came to a stop to fix it.
 

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I think the girl on the Korean ice dance team just had a wardrobe malfunction during the "twizzle" sequence. Not sure if anything popped out, but it totally messed her up during the spin, as she came to a stop to fix it.
Her top's clasp snapped off on the back of her neck. Nothing popped out and she had a nude colored shell under it anyway, but it definitely screwed up the performance.
 

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The women figure gold favorite, Evgenia Medvedeva is apparently a huge K-pop fan, EXO & BTS especially:


She said she's been looking forward to coming to Korea and hopefully get to meet her idols.

This morning (KR time), she set a new WR in the short program/team event with 81.06, 0.21 higher than her own previous WR of 80.85.
 

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WTF? The American guy, Rippon, just killed his free skate, and he ends up in second behind the Russian dude that literally fell down twice? Like I said, I just don't get figure skating scoring.
 

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The Canadian dude just fell three times, and he's not done yet. My 9 year old is beside himself that the Russian is ahead of the American after falling twice. I told him it has something to do with difficulty and stuff. I have no idea. My son said "Well, why don't I just go out there and try the hardest tricks in the world over and over again and fall down and then I'll win?"

I didn't have an answer for that.
 

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I don't get it. Patrick Chen lands on his ass on the triple axle, while Rippon nailed two, maybe 3, of them. Chen's score blows him out of the water. I really hate this sport every four years.
 

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A quick Google says the current system was put in place to make things more objective.

I don't think that means what they think it means.
 

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I guess maybe the jumps don't really matter. Weir just said if you fall, it's a one point deduction. Well, if the scores are in the 170-180 range, shouldn't falling be like a 40 point deduction?
 

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Yea super disappointed in the scoring but Johnny and Tara don’t seem too outraged so I guess it was legit?
 

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Judging is based on difficulty, the winner is almost predestined because the routine regardless of execution from what I gather.
 

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Judging is based on difficulty, the winner is almost predestined because the routine regardless of execution from what I gather.
I agree with you to an extent. The winner is definitely predestined, but I don't think anyone did a harder routine (at least not on the jumps, but again, maybe they don't matter) than Rippon did, and he was the only one that didn't end up on his ass. I don't know why people aren't flipping out about the scoring. The Russian dude was awful. I mean, like really fucking bad.
 

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They explained that if a skater tries a quad, does four rotations and falls, it scores more than completing a triple. Same for missing a triple scoring more than hitting a double, if all the rotations are there. I'm not sure if I agree with that, perhaps more of a deduction, but they want people to go for it. The Japanese guy for instance changed two triples to doubles, so it was clean but not very challenging.
 

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They explained that if a skater tries a quad, does four rotations and falls, it scores more than completing a triple. Same for missing a triple scoring more than hitting a double, if all the rotations are there. I'm not sure if I agree with that, perhaps more of a deduction, but they want people to go for it. The Japanese guy for instance changed two triples to doubles, so it was clean but not very challenging.
Yeah, but none of that happened with respect to Rippon. I don't believe anyone actually tried a quad in the event tonight, and he hit a whole bunch of triples, while the other guys fell doing triples (and one of them fell on a double). Unless I missed something, Rippon attempted and completed the hardest jumps.
 

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I agree with you to an extent. The winner is definitely predestined, but I don't think anyone did a harder routine (at least not on the jumps, but again, maybe they don't matter) than Rippon did, and he was the only one that didn't end up on his ass. I don't know why people aren't flipping out about the scoring. The Russian dude was awful. I mean, like really fucking bad.
I get why the Russian dude had a higher tech score, he fell on a quad but might have had the rotations. But he was super meh artistically until the end of his routine. Not sure how that component wasn't significantly worse than Rippon
 

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Her reaction after she was all done was just wonderful! What a performance!!
 

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If it requires 'judges' we need to stop pretending it's a 'sport'.
This was basically the stance that had 4-5 people propose me for membership and 2-3 think I should be banned forever when I got SOSH membership. I'd still argue that even something like running the marathon is a great athletic event, but not a sport.