Fighting and Ejections

DanoooME

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According to this article, evidently there's a new emphasis on fighting and getting control of it. It doesn't even necessarily involve throwing a punch, as Jeremy Lane of the Seahawks found out in the first quarter of yesterday's game. Normally it takes two personal fouls of a certain nature (which include, but aren't limited to, punching) to trigger the automatic ejection rule. But the referee has the discretion to eject immediately if it was "flagrant".

Clearly this, like everything else in the NFL, is going to be applied unevenly at best given the nature of the league office and the general shittiness of the officiating. In the Seahawks/Packers game, during a returned interception for a TD that was called back, Davante Adams initiated contact with Lane, as shown by replays after the fact, by twisting the facemask (which is still a 15 yard penalty AFAIK, but was uncalled) and they wrestled each other to the ground, where Lane ended up on top with his forearm pushing into Adams' face. This basically becomes a "no retaliation" situation where the instigator is going to get off scot-free and the guy who retaliates is going to get ejected, which is absolutely ridiculous. At the minimum, Adams should have been ejected with Lane. This rule, as currently applied by the referee (at least in this crew), is going to cause more problems because guys are going to instigate situations to try and get their opponents to retaliate and get ejected.

Yet late in the same game, Rodgers ran for a first down, diving headfirst, to ice the game. LB KJ Wright hit Rodgers in the back as he was diving to the ground and TE Marcellus Bennett got pissed at the perfectly legal hit and shoved Wright to the ground and only got a 15 yard penalty. Just within one game, we have uneven application of the same rule. Realistically, what was the difference there? I'd say Bennett's action was a lot more aggressive than Lane's, and yet he wasn't ejected.

Lane getting ejected wasn't near the top of the factors causing the Seahawks to lose, but it could have really screwed them. And you know there will be games that will be directly affected by it. Just one more reason why the NFL is a total clusterfuck of an organization.
 

kenneycb

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The issue is that Lane's appeared a lot more aggressive than Bennett's. Ultimately I don't think either guy should have gotten ejected but Bennett's was just a normal shove and a standard fare personal foul. In real time, I can see how it looks like Lane drove a forearm into Adams, which hindsight shows didn't happen, and because it was behind the play, there were less eyes on the two. If Lane got tossed, Adams should have as well IMO.

A better solution would to do something like college where they can actually review the play before tossing a guy. Of course there are probably some unintended consequences, specifically flow of the game, but it's a start.
 

mauf

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As a neutral observer, I thought Lane should've gotten 15 yards but no ejection -- but it was close enough that I didn't think the call was a huge injustice. For basically the reasons @kenneycb said, I thought Lane crossed the line of acceptable behavior (counting garden-variety personal fouls as "acceptable" for this purpose) in a way that Bennett didn't. Pushing and shoving is part of the game; what Lane did isn't.

The NFL should absolutely provide for automatic review of ejections, and should adopt the college "targeting" rule too, but that's a much broader discussion.
 

BaseballJones

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Seattle got screwed twice on the play. Lane, IMO, didn't even really deserve a penalty, never mind getting tossed. He was totally assaulted on that and when he fell to the ground, his forearm ended up on Adams' helmet. I didn't think he threw an elbow or forearm or anything, really.

And then the other part was the block in the back against Rodgers as he tried to chase down the play. There was absolutely minimal contact and had no bearing on the play, really. It was a whole lot of nothing.
 

j44thor

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Biggest issue I had was that the Bennett penalty was barely punitive. Seems really stupid that because Rodgers had just got a 1st down that the penalty is loss of 15yds but still 1st and 10. If he had come up a yard short it would be 3rd and 16. How does making a first down essentially take away the penalty? Would make more sense if it was then 1st and 25.