Fenway Fest Updates
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LOL, this comment has me cracking up. "JD Drew with energy" is Hall of Fame level shade, and I loved JD Drew. The dude could lull you to sleep catching a flyball in right field, though.
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I am going to make a new thread about this, but it’s absolutely the best course of action in spending money. Crochet - Roman - Campbell.
I am going to make a new thread about this, but it’s absolutely the best course of action in spending money. Crochet - Roman - Campbell.
Yeah, wow that’s a lot @SouthernBoSox !
“I always envisioned Bregman as a gold glover as a second baseman”….pretty bold Cora he was dealin’
“I always envisioned Bregman as a gold glover as a second baseman”….pretty bold Cora he was dealin’
Does it really make sense to move Mayer around? There's a decent chance Story is dumped by the time Mayer is ready
If they're going to be green and red the merchandising next Christmas is going to be wild.
People just won’t listen to me but when you hear people in the org talk about Campbell they immediately mention how well he grades out at short stop. I think they view shortstop as his best and highest value.
That’s my thought too. Could be just talk, but it seems like he’d have more value in a trade with a team that sees him as a long-term shortstop.
Or maybe Campbell really has leapfrogged him, like @SouthernBoSox says. Brian O’Hallaran made a point on his SP podcast interview to say that the team really liked Campbell at short.
I wanna pull my hair out every time someone suggest moving him to first base. They're moving him UP the defensive spectrum, not down!
There was also a scouting report from outside the organization that he wouldn't be able to handle the left side of the infield, and Soxprospects has him as a potential average defender though doesn't dismiss his ability to play there. My biggest question is how many reps he'll even get unless he spends significant time in AAA. Obviously his value goes through the roof even more, and I'd love that to happen but I don't know how likely that is.
I don't think he's moved until it's clear he isn't the best defensive option.
Why not? What if Raffy gets hurt mid season and looks to miss a considerable amount of time. If Mayer shows he can man the position and is ready to make the leap why not utilize that versatility?
So, if they sign Bregman, Cora says Devers is the third baseman
If they trade for Arenado, they'll talk to Devers about a position change
Yea. After watching multiple videos of Cora I actually think you’re gonna see a different third baseman when spring training starts.
Specifically mentioned improving infield defense as well.
Agreed, I just think you don't sign a GG third baseman as a FA, then move him to second to keep a below average (at best) defender at third.
That’s wild being that open about a player on another team. That’s pretty telling IMO.
Thanks for starting and updating the thread @SouthernBoSox lots of interesting stuff in here.
I think the idea of having guys like Hamilton, specifically, work on other positions is really smart. Same with Rafaela, and while I know some will disagree with me here, Mayer too. Similarly, I wouldn’t totally hate the idea of seeing if Abreu could handle any 1b.
When you look at each player, there are some red flags that could very well lead to them not reaching their ceilings. For Hamilton and Abreu, it’s been hitting LHPs. For Rafaela it’s of course the “approach” for lack of a more all encompassing term. For Mayer it’s been staying on the field and not having sustained upper minors success against LHPs.
They could all of course improve these things, but they haven’t as of yet. HOWEVER, if players with these limitations are able to cover multiple spots on the diamond, their value to the team would increase a good deal, even if it would “hurt” their theoretical value.
It’s why I think Anthony and Campbell are easily the top two prospects in the organization, and why I’m glad Breslow referred to them as “untouchable” in trade talks (while of course understanding if Seattle called and offered Gilbert and Julio Rodriguez for Anthony, then he’s on a plane to Seattle).
They could of course still flame out for any number of unforeseen reasons, but with those two, there is absolutely nothing in their track record to point to with any degree of concern, unlike other players in the organization (and unlike plenty of other top prospects outside the organization). Those two should be the ones that are “penciled in” at whatever position the organization feels is their best. There is really nobody else in the organization that I think should (or will) block them.
So if that is SS for Campbell, any of Story, Mayer, Hamilton or others should be the ones planned to move. If it’s 3b, Devers goes to DH, etc, etc.
Same for Anthony. If it‘s CF for him, Duran moves. If it’s RF, Abreu gets to change positions.
I have no idea if we are right or not (ie Campbell at SS), but I will say this, I feel a lot more confident in Campbell providing the ability and dependability to field the position for 150 games per year than Story or Mayer.
If Campbell can play an above average SS defensively, then the idea should be HE starts at SS and everyone else gets moved around, whether that means on the diamond, on the depth chart, or to other organizations. At least in my opinion. (Same holds true for Anthony if he can play an above average CF or RF.)
I think the idea of having guys like Hamilton, specifically, work on other positions is really smart. Same with Rafaela, and while I know some will disagree with me here, Mayer too. Similarly, I wouldn’t totally hate the idea of seeing if Abreu could handle any 1b.
When you look at each player, there are some red flags that could very well lead to them not reaching their ceilings. For Hamilton and Abreu, it’s been hitting LHPs. For Rafaela it’s of course the “approach” for lack of a more all encompassing term. For Mayer it’s been staying on the field and not having sustained upper minors success against LHPs.
They could all of course improve these things, but they haven’t as of yet. HOWEVER, if players with these limitations are able to cover multiple spots on the diamond, their value to the team would increase a good deal, even if it would “hurt” their theoretical value.
I think you are right in that they think Campbell can be a solid defensive SS. In my mind (and perhaps in the mind of the organization) he’s surpassed Mayer.
It’s why I think Anthony and Campbell are easily the top two prospects in the organization, and why I’m glad Breslow referred to them as “untouchable” in trade talks (while of course understanding if Seattle called and offered Gilbert and Julio Rodriguez for Anthony, then he’s on a plane to Seattle).
They could of course still flame out for any number of unforeseen reasons, but with those two, there is absolutely nothing in their track record to point to with any degree of concern, unlike other players in the organization (and unlike plenty of other top prospects outside the organization). Those two should be the ones that are “penciled in” at whatever position the organization feels is their best. There is really nobody else in the organization that I think should (or will) block them.
So if that is SS for Campbell, any of Story, Mayer, Hamilton or others should be the ones planned to move. If it’s 3b, Devers goes to DH, etc, etc.
Same for Anthony. If it‘s CF for him, Duran moves. If it’s RF, Abreu gets to change positions.
I have no idea if we are right or not (ie Campbell at SS), but I will say this, I feel a lot more confident in Campbell providing the ability and dependability to field the position for 150 games per year than Story or Mayer.
If Campbell can play an above average SS defensively, then the idea should be HE starts at SS and everyone else gets moved around, whether that means on the diamond, on the depth chart, or to other organizations. At least in my opinion. (Same holds true for Anthony if he can play an above average CF or RF.)
As you said, it makes no sense to sign Bergman and then move him to 2B, Cora’s vibes on his defensive potential notwithstanding.
If the option is either Bergman or Arrenado, I don’t see how it’s even a question. Arrenado is basically cooked; the only reason for the Sox to go after him is if a lot of young talent is coming with him that lets Breslow really remake the roster. If it’s a salary dump, then just pay Bergman. At least then you’re getting his early 30’s, and you can hope his decline isn’t of the off a cliff variety, and that the lack of suitors keeps the contract length down, so you’re not paying for too much decline.
I hear they're "popular," but I wish they'd just wear the yellows on Patriots Day weekend
Well, I would say the hope and goal for them is to spend the least amount possible for the best results. It is as it should be for a business, I guess. As a fan, it would be nice to have a Captain Kirk mixed into the front office as opposed to an entire front office of Mr. Spock types looking at data and logic without the nuisance of human emotions causing problems.
Saw Brock Holt coming out of the team store, took a couple photos, shook a couple hands. A nice surprise (since the schedule is so specific).
I completely forgot this was happening and tried to park over by Fenway to go to Target this afternoon. Oops.
Does any real information ever come out of these? They have things they'd like to do, but those things are often at odds with their realistic options when it comes to health and the roster.
Does any real information ever come out of these? They have things they'd like to do, but those things are often at odds with their realistic options when it comes to health and the roster.
He doesn't; if you watch the clip he goes out of his way to say that he can't talk about a player on another team, and then is ambiguous enough to avoid any issues.
FWIW, this has been on Mayer’s Sox Prospects page for as long as I can remember:
Mayer is bigger and slower than most shortstops, so the top question surrounding him is whether he'll play the position on a long-term basis in the Majors. He compensates for below-average speed with a quick first step and keen instincts, and the consensus is that he can be an asset with a strong arm at shortstop. Some scouts believe he'll wind up at third base, where he might be a plus defender while still profiling well offensively.
https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/redsox/marcelo-mayer-691785