With Devey being traded, I never have to hear about Felger complaining about the tuba player ever again.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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I was only able to listen for a short while yesterday but he won't let go of the "Belichick is being protected for some reason" theme. Adam Jones and he were talking about the Volin article. From that Felger deduced that the league and Wells has something on Bill but couldn't present it. Jones asked him to clarify and he did, saying that "they have something but can't get it because the league and Wells don't have subpoena power."HomeBrew1901 said:
Jones, rightfully said "so, they don't have anything."
I was lucky enough to miss that part.
edit: Both he and Jones are banging the "BB knew as much as Brady knew" drum.
Edit 2: Jim Murray is a moron.
edit: Both he and Jones are banging the "BB knew as much as Brady knew" drum.
Edit 2: Jim Murray is a moron.
Felger went on today about how BB can't complain at all about Brady missing practice because of how BB skated through all of this. "Whatever Brady misses, you are thankful that you weren't rolled into all this because we all know you know way more than you let us think" was more or less what he said
Felger will retroactively implicate BB, without evidence, in this stupid, possibly manufactured scandal for years. Also if and when the Pats lose in the playoffs -- even if it is the AFCCG he will claim it has something to do with ball deflation. He has already said many times that it will be a major concern for Brady's performance and it is "common sense" to think this way.
Man, Felger and Jones don't know anything about the legal stuff. I wish they could just interview a legal expert so they don't have to keep guessing. Of course, Felger is also taking the NFL leak as gospel even though the NFL has already been caught leaking false stories to the bigger name ESPN reporters and the report has been denied according to Howe and Rappaport. Now, I am not saying Rappaport and Howe couldn't be wrong, but we shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to the NFL leak to ESPN -- we have been there before.
D&C&Minihane were openly shitting on them this morning. It was pretty funny. Mocked Felger stroking his beard while ignoring facts and creating his own narrative, and Tony's "You're absolutely right, Mike!" schtick.
Minihane is the one guy who I think could take down Felger in a DeflateGate debate. He is equally acerbic, smarter than you think, and clearly does not give a shit about Felger's place in this market, i.e. he wouldn't kowtow to him.
Minihane is the one guy who I think could take down Felger in a DeflateGate debate. He is equally acerbic, smarter than you think, and clearly does not give a shit about Felger's place in this market, i.e. he wouldn't kowtow to him.
Have you heard Marshall Hook? He's fantastic going against Felger and Mazz.Erik Hanson's Hook said:
Good call. Make it a tag team match. Hook and Minihane vs. Felger and Mazz. I'd probably get a Sirius subscription for that.
Actually, Hook & Minihane doesn't sound bad for a drive-time combo. Though Kirk seems pretty entrenched.
Actually, Hook & Minihane doesn't sound bad for a drive-time combo. Though Kirk seems pretty entrenched.
Hook and Minihane would be a horrible show. There's only so much Minihane I can take because he doens't have an ounce of the gravitas that Felger has, like yesterday when they were busting on Felger claiming he doesn't make predictions and then they spent a bunch of time replaying all of the predictions he has made and you could tell he was enjoying it.
I like Hook but he's a 3rd chair guy at best.
I like Hook but he's a 3rd chair guy at best.
I love reading this threads despite having NEVER heard these seeemingly caricatures of actual sports talk show hosts - Mike Felger and Tony Masseroti.
I imagine they are even worse than they are portrayed here
I imagine they are even worse than they are portrayed here
I think any reasonably smart, prepared person could take Felger down, but they rarely let guys like that on the show. Hook is one sometimes. Even the Patriot supporters, like Hurley and Murray aren't smart or quick-witted enough to beat Felger in an argument. But if Steph Stradley or Jenkins or someone came on the show, they would destroy him with logic. Of course, I don't even think Felger is convinced the Brady would take a game story is true, but it has bought him 2 shows (and counting).
chonce1 said:
Right. Felger has done a nice job of creating an alternate universe between the hours of 2-6 p.m.: the cap is crap, everyone else in the media is a homer and – the latest addition to the group – the Wells Report was one big conspiracy to cover up for Bill Belichick, or something.
The show doesn't even deal with reality anymore. I've tuned out, and I'm saying that as somebody who thinks Mike Felger is the best talk show host in the market. But it's just unlistenable right now.
Felger sounds increasingly frustrated to me lately. Things aren't going too well for his side (i.e. anti-Pats/Brady). Remember when he and Mazz went on and on for weeks about how the last thing Brady wanted was to take this thing to court? Well, guess what, now Brady is in court, and whaddya know, his side is kicking ass. Taking the case to court has really exposed the Wells report and the NFL as frauds, and they are getting publicly eviscerated by the judge. Most legal analysts seem to think things are going well for Brady and the NFLPA. So Felger is left clinging to increasingly absurd and/or trivial things like the nutty Belichick conspiracy theory, and Brady's alleged 1-game settlement offer rumor (which was shot down almost immediately). Lately I notice he's starting to glom onto the MLB vs. Garvey case, which may well be his last best hope for what he would no doubt consider a "favorable" outcome.
I've listened for the last two days and he's barely mentioned the BB stuff, other than he doesn't believe there's any way he didn't know.
He doesn't trust the NFL after all the shit that has come out or believe that there's another shoe to drop.
As for the trial he's been incredibly down the middle and refuses to make a prediction because he has no idea which way Berman will rule, which just about every attorney in the Law Thread in BBTL has been saying.
He's been saying for the last two days if the 1 game suspension, no language deal is true Brady should be pissed at the NFL.
He's been using the Garvey case because it's really the only thing even remotely close to this case.
Two weeks ago the show was unlistenable because they were baiting callers and being ridiculous. I think Felger realized that and he's been playing it completely down the middle.
He doesn't trust the NFL after all the shit that has come out or believe that there's another shoe to drop.
As for the trial he's been incredibly down the middle and refuses to make a prediction because he has no idea which way Berman will rule, which just about every attorney in the Law Thread in BBTL has been saying.
He's been saying for the last two days if the 1 game suspension, no language deal is true Brady should be pissed at the NFL.
He's been using the Garvey case because it's really the only thing even remotely close to this case.
Two weeks ago the show was unlistenable because they were baiting callers and being ridiculous. I think Felger realized that and he's been playing it completely down the middle.
Garvey is hardly the only thing remotely close to this case. There's the Adrian Peterson case, NHLPA vs. Bettman, plenty of others. Of course, Felger never talks about those. He has started touting Garvey lately because it is the easiest thing he can find that supports his desired outcome, i.e. Brady and the NFLPA losing in court. Nearly all of his prior arguments regarding the wisdom of Brady taking this to federal court have been destroyed. Garvey gives him a glimmer of hope. At this point he's like a drowning man grasping desperately at a piece of floating wreckage.
HomeBrew1901 said:
Felger has said before that he keeps a daily journal of what they talk about and then he compares that with the daily ratings to see where they're gaining or losing audience. I wouldn't be surprised if part of that journal included comments on the tone that they took, ie trolling or not.
The idea that Felger is now playing this down the middle is inaccurate, in my view. He has to acknowledge that Berman is killing the NFL in court, but look at how he operates. He accepts the NFL leak (Brady will accept a suspension) to ESPN and disregards Howe, Rappapoart, Curran and others who report the opposite. Note, he doesn't even concede the point is disputed and if anyone dares to suggest it is, he laughs it off and says "Oh Adam Schefter is on the bad list now?" But Adam S has been attacked by Felger and Mazz for being laughably wrong very recently. Most importantly, it is an ESPN report about an NFL leak -- sheesh, why would be suspicious to accept that?
Today, he continues the nonsense. Consider Mort's report last night on Mara and his refusal to join settlement talks. Mort had to amend his report (without a correction) and said it was the NFL who urged Mara to not get involved. Last night, Felger (on Sports Tonight) reported on the original (wrong) report and said "let me guess Patriot honks, is Mort wrong?" Yet, Mort was wrong and instead of acknowledging that, Felger leads with that story with no mention of Mort's change of tune.
Lastly, he is right now doing a line-by-line analysis from Lester Munson's article today. I think Munson lacks credibility, but why can't Felger (or Jim Murrary, who is just a doormat now ) also spend some time reading the persuasive arguments against Munson from the likes of Milstein, Wallach or Stradley (who Felger calls "the gal from Houston who is partial to Brady"). Munson's view is in the minority from what I can gather from labor lawyers who write on these issues. Why does it get the most attention? Because Felger is insistent on pissing the fans off at all costs (I assume the antagonistic approach gets listeners).
If he is taking notes he feels his best bet is to piss of the fans as much as possible. Even Wednesday, he admitted the court hearing was embarrsing for the NFL, but that was undeniable. But the show was -- for two whole days and counting -- about "why did Brady offer a game" and "why didn't the NFL accept it."
I don't mind if Felger thinks Brady is guilty, but the way he accepts presumptions and runs a whole show without even acknowledging the basic premise of his argument may well be entirely false is more than just trolling, it is bad radio.
And yes, I know "don't listen, you know he will troll." But at this point I have been curious to see how he will spin news days like Wednesday. I have switched to dale and Holley but still end up hearing Felger's nonsense on CSNNE or whatever later the night (where he continues to saturate the airwaves with his logical fallacies). His voice is too prominent in Boston sports media to "just ignore." I think it is worth countering his blather.
EDIT: tweaked wording.
Today, he continues the nonsense. Consider Mort's report last night on Mara and his refusal to join settlement talks. Mort had to amend his report (without a correction) and said it was the NFL who urged Mara to not get involved. Last night, Felger (on Sports Tonight) reported on the original (wrong) report and said "let me guess Patriot honks, is Mort wrong?" Yet, Mort was wrong and instead of acknowledging that, Felger leads with that story with no mention of Mort's change of tune.
Lastly, he is right now doing a line-by-line analysis from Lester Munson's article today. I think Munson lacks credibility, but why can't Felger (or Jim Murrary, who is just a doormat now ) also spend some time reading the persuasive arguments against Munson from the likes of Milstein, Wallach or Stradley (who Felger calls "the gal from Houston who is partial to Brady"). Munson's view is in the minority from what I can gather from labor lawyers who write on these issues. Why does it get the most attention? Because Felger is insistent on pissing the fans off at all costs (I assume the antagonistic approach gets listeners).
If he is taking notes he feels his best bet is to piss of the fans as much as possible. Even Wednesday, he admitted the court hearing was embarrsing for the NFL, but that was undeniable. But the show was -- for two whole days and counting -- about "why did Brady offer a game" and "why didn't the NFL accept it."
I don't mind if Felger thinks Brady is guilty, but the way he accepts presumptions and runs a whole show without even acknowledging the basic premise of his argument may well be entirely false is more than just trolling, it is bad radio.
And yes, I know "don't listen, you know he will troll." But at this point I have been curious to see how he will spin news days like Wednesday. I have switched to dale and Holley but still end up hearing Felger's nonsense on CSNNE or whatever later the night (where he continues to saturate the airwaves with his logical fallacies). His voice is too prominent in Boston sports media to "just ignore." I think it is worth countering his blather.
EDIT: tweaked wording.
I don't know what to tell you man, listen to WEEI.chonce1 said:
Felger admits that you aren't going to get what you and other Patriots fans are looking for. He is intentionally and admittedly giving you the other side of the argument along with telling you to listen to Dale and Holley if you don't like it.
The stuff he is discussing today I can handle because it is the other side of the argument and he's not making it up out of thin air like Volin.
Jim Murray adds nothing. Seems like a good dude, but just refuses to take on Felger in any capacity, ever.
Example just now:
Felger (paraphrased): Why do the owners keep Goodell around?
Murray: Well he's their golden goose. League makes so much money.
Felger: NO HE DOESN'T. Goodell has nothing to do with them making money.
Murray: Well what about fantasy football, the league has really embraced it.
Felger: Stop. Can Goodell even log onto a computer? Not his doing.
Murray: Ok. Maybe it's that he's a good whipping boy?
Felger: Bingo. He's a good punching bag.
So Murray spits out a (bad) take. Felger throws it away and says try again. Murray tries again, gets another nope. Tries a third time -- finally says the correct answer, the Felger answer.
Now in this case, I think Felger's 100% right. But this is how it always seems to go with Murray. Sides with Felger 90% of the time, and the other 10% he's told his opinion is wrong and completely changes it.
Terrible back and forth when it's these two.
Example just now:
Felger (paraphrased): Why do the owners keep Goodell around?
Murray: Well he's their golden goose. League makes so much money.
Felger: NO HE DOESN'T. Goodell has nothing to do with them making money.
Murray: Well what about fantasy football, the league has really embraced it.
Felger: Stop. Can Goodell even log onto a computer? Not his doing.
Murray: Ok. Maybe it's that he's a good whipping boy?
Felger: Bingo. He's a good punching bag.
So Murray spits out a (bad) take. Felger throws it away and says try again. Murray tries again, gets another nope. Tries a third time -- finally says the correct answer, the Felger answer.
Now in this case, I think Felger's 100% right. But this is how it always seems to go with Murray. Sides with Felger 90% of the time, and the other 10% he's told his opinion is wrong and completely changes it.
Terrible back and forth when it's these two.
What would be great is a strong local voice who could hang and balance Felger. I want to listen because i find him more talented and charasmatic than the other shows, but having a yes man and Charlie Chaplin as his side kicks doesnt work for me.
We need a better Jerry Thronton basically to be the co host. Someone who can balance Felger while bringing the talent Felger has to the table. That would be a good show.
We need a better Jerry Thronton basically to be the co host. Someone who can balance Felger while bringing the talent Felger has to the table. That would be a good show.
Couldn't agree more. I think with time Jones could possibly be that guy... maybe... Bertrand for sure if he had been given the second chair as opposed to headlines guy and fill in.southshoresoxfan said:
Gaspar?
Haven't listened in a while, but I think Jones is complete garbage. My recollection of him is frequently trying to take the contrarian view like Felger, only he's not nearly as smart or entertaining.
MillarTime said:
Jones is horrible. A hot-taker without the (albeit tenuous) bonafides of actually covering a team in this town. A complete waste of space.
Yeah the man for the job is not Pacman Jones.
Gaspar is the closest canidate but I wonder if it is a gig he even would want.
Somebody like the Pres with a little more credibility in the sports realm. Actually screw it. Portnoy and Felger would be an absolute ratings bonanza.
Gaspar is the closest canidate but I wonder if it is a gig he even would want.
Somebody like the Pres with a little more credibility in the sports realm. Actually screw it. Portnoy and Felger would be an absolute ratings bonanza.
Homebrew,
I respectfully disagree that Felger doesn't make things up out of thin air, as you suggest. Right now he wasmaking his case strongly suggesting that BB was the beneficiary of a coverup from the league and the NFLPA (who somehow find common cause to protect a guy they don't represent). Not all of his arguments are falsehoods, but many are.
But again, my problem isn't that he is a contrarian, it is that he pretends there are no good arguments on the other side (or dismisses them, or barely mentions them). If he wants to preach the merits of Lester Munson's argument, couldn't he invite Steph Stradley on, or at least examine her words (or Wallach, or Milstein, or Feldman etc....)
As far as Dale and Holley, I do listen to them. But I do like to at least get some taste of Felger and Mazz to see how he manages to take a news day like Wednesday and manage to try and continue his shameful meanderings. Again, I don't ask much, but just one voice challenging him once in awhile (besides callers, of course, who they can screen and hang up on). And as I noted, even if I avoid Felger and Mazz, I hear the same arguments on CSNNE (which is harder to avoid because there isn't a competitor at that time).
EDIT: NOTE: sorry I can't block quote you, my tablet or browser (I think) won't recognize when I hit the Quote button).
I respectfully disagree that Felger doesn't make things up out of thin air, as you suggest. Right now he was
But again, my problem isn't that he is a contrarian, it is that he pretends there are no good arguments on the other side (or dismisses them, or barely mentions them). If he wants to preach the merits of Lester Munson's argument, couldn't he invite Steph Stradley on, or at least examine her words (or Wallach, or Milstein, or Feldman etc....)
As far as Dale and Holley, I do listen to them. But I do like to at least get some taste of Felger and Mazz to see how he manages to take a news day like Wednesday and manage to try and continue his shameful meanderings. Again, I don't ask much, but just one voice challenging him once in awhile (besides callers, of course, who they can screen and hang up on). And as I noted, even if I avoid Felger and Mazz, I hear the same arguments on CSNNE (which is harder to avoid because there isn't a competitor at that time).
EDIT: NOTE: sorry I can't block quote you, my tablet or browser (I think) won't recognize when I hit the Quote button).
Jim murray isn't quite ready for that 2nd seat but I love him as #3
His "NERDS HEED FELGER's CALL!!!!" bit made me cry with laughter. He's a great add after Beetle's move imo.
His "NERDS HEED FELGER's CALL!!!!" bit made me cry with laughter. He's a great add after Beetle's move imo.
Not a big fan of Murray on either chair. He just agrees with Felger on everything and when he attempts to counter he is so timid. He seems like a super cool guy, and he might work on another show, but for that show you need someone with some more self-confidence and someone a little quicker at the draw.
Maybe he is timid because he is simply new and he got a sweet gig in his hometown (after covering sports in Georgia or something for awhile). But Hook is 10 times better as the flash guy, at least on the topical stuff that has been at issue lately.
Maybe he is timid because he is simply new and he got a sweet gig in his hometown (after covering sports in Georgia or something for awhile). But Hook is 10 times better as the flash guy, at least on the topical stuff that has been at issue lately.
Never get through more than a couple minutes of the show. IMO, The two are lazy, uninformed hacks. Today was no exception.
Channel was already on for the drive home. The two of them were insinuating that JBJ's turnaround had benefited from PED usage. Got through about maybe two minutes before I switched it.
Channel was already on for the drive home. The two of them were insinuating that JBJ's turnaround had benefited from PED usage. Got through about maybe two minutes before I switched it.
More Mazz:
I'd love Leyland. He's a young 70.
Hanley doesn't caaaaaaaare!
Not much from either in DO, but they both love Obie.
I'd love Leyland. He's a young 70.
Hanley doesn't caaaaaaaare!
Not much from either in DO, but they both love Obie.
A young 70? The guy's been smoking Marlboro reds by the carton since the Eisenhower administration.
People are surprised Murray goes along with Felger? He just got the job. I don't think he wants to lose it quite yet. Bertrand wasn't the anti-F&M for quite a while until he made his bones.
When Felger and Mazz started with the sportshub, they were extremely critical (justifiably in my opinion) of the arrogance at WEEI and WEEI's presumption that no one could take them on. They were also critical of how dismissive WEEI hosts became of any caller supporting a team (the whole "footie pajamas" nonsense) and the reflexively idiotic common denominator that conversations at WEEI devolved into. Unfortunately, with some exceptions, they have come full circle: Felger and Mazz are now too often what they said they hated when they started this enterprise.
Felger opens the show today saying, "So, are we just going to sit around and cry about Mort all day?"
Says he could talk deflategate 24/7, but listening to Patriots' fans cry is exhausting.
Says he could talk deflategate 24/7, but listening to Patriots' fans cry is exhausting.
Once again Mazz implies JBJ is on steroids...."He looks like a different guy" *cough* *cough* followed by giggles.
What a lazy asshat.
What a lazy asshat.
I haven't listened to these guys (actually sports radio in general) in over a month and I have to say, I love it. I really, really love it. It really is a great, fucking thing not to have to deal with the constant negativity of what's supposed to be a pastime, something that I enjoy, something that is supposed to be relaxing. I like watching the Sox win two out of three from the Mets and seeing young, exciting ballplayers play well without hearing on Monday that the happiness I experienced wasn't worth it (THEY SUCK, MIKE) or completely baseless allegations that one of the players I like is popping PEDs (SOMETHING'S DIFFERENT WITH HIM).
It took a few days to get them out of my system but after about a week or so I genuinely don't give a fuck about what Michael Felger or Tony Massarotti or any of them think about Deflategate, Dombrowski, JBJ, the Bruins, Danny Ainge, none of it.
And it's freeing, man. Absolutely freeing. I kind of feel like a kid again.
It took a few days to get them out of my system but after about a week or so I genuinely don't give a fuck about what Michael Felger or Tony Massarotti or any of them think about Deflategate, Dombrowski, JBJ, the Bruins, Danny Ainge, none of it.
And it's freeing, man. Absolutely freeing. I kind of feel like a kid again.
Anybody else think JMOH seems a little too happy for only cutting out sports talk radio? It looks to me like there could be *COUGH* something else going on *COUGH* to make him that happy. He just seems like a different person.
To add something, I did the same thing about a year ago and it's sad how much better I felt. I still go back now and then and I get what the show is and that it's #1 but I got tired of the constant negativity. I don't need prime WEEI pom-pom but I also don't need invented stories about JBJ or Pedro maybe being on steroids. Sports should be fun. Podcasts help me get through work
To add something, I did the same thing about a year ago and it's sad how much better I felt. I still go back now and then and I get what the show is and that it's #1 but I got tired of the constant negativity. I don't need prime WEEI pom-pom but I also don't need invented stories about JBJ or Pedro maybe being on steroids. Sports should be fun. Podcasts help me get through work